My Grandmother Wanted Me Aborted... Posted: 08-12-06 08:18am
My mother conceived me at 19. My father's
mother wanted her to have an abortion but
my mother did not want to and kept me. So
what if I had been aborted? (i wouldn't
be typing this of course) at least I
wouldn't have to experience the suffering
and pain of life. For those of you who
aren't pro-choice and are pro-life. Think
about this. Did the baby ask to live?
No. Would you really want it to go
through the pains of suffering of life?
So far in my life the good hasn't
outweighed the bad of my life. Is life
really worth living? When you are just
going to die anyway? What in life is so
important that one needs to be born and
live for? Experience things in life?
When you will just forget all of it
anyway? It really should be the babies
choice if it wants to live or not, but
they have to rely on their conceivers
decisions which may not be what they would
have wanted if they could think of things
like that before they were born.
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HappyBaby
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Posted: 08-12-06 08:40am
The depressive in me totally understands
what you are saying but I don't think it's
fair for you to use your own life as a
yardstick to measure the pointlessness or
not of everyone else's lives.
What stops you killing hundreds of people
and then killing yourself if none of it
really matters anyway? If it will all be
forgotten in death? You can't say the
law because you will be dead and the law
can't touch you.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-12-06 10:15am
Now; lay off for a moment; thsi is finally
a different point of view. However
while you may feel that you life has been
hard, you were wanted, and although that
may not have been the best choice, it was
made, and now those who are living should
be grateful (in a totally non-religious
way, i'm buddhist) that they have life.
And you have to make the best of it.
You can be the voice of the child who
should have been aborted; but in the end,
you have life, so always be glad for
that.
Hopefully you will be able to help a woman
who is unsure whether or not to abort, and
give your story, and remind her that no
matter what pro-life says, there are
children who are born and who are not
raised in the best of conditions! She
hears plenty of pro-life stories about
people who weren't aborted and who are "oh
so happy" bla bla bla... Well here you
are, an example of someone who's life
wasn't cherries and pie.
Still, rise above whatever it is you think
you should or have to be, an become more.
You've been given this chance, for better
or for worst; and the most heinous crim is
wasting it.
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HappyBaby
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Posted: 08-12-06 11:16am
eiri
wrote:
now; lay off for a moment;
thsi is finally a different point
of view.
i wasn't having a go - when I wrote 'what
stops you from killing...' I was
not directing it at the poster but at
everyone. Perhaps a more accurate way of
writing it would have been to say 'what
stops one from killing...'
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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 08-15-06 00:28am
raziel1687
wrote:
my mother conceived me at
19. My father's mother wanted her to
have an abortion but my mother did not
want to and kept me. So what if I had
been aborted? (i wouldn't be typing this
of course) at least I wouldn't have to
experience the suffering and pain of life.
For those of you who aren't pro-choice
and are pro-life. Think about this.
Did the baby ask to live? No. Would
you really want it to go through the pains
of suffering of
life?
the usual "prolife"
response would be that at least
you were given a chance at life, no matter
how bad you feel it's been. The
"prolifers" in my family have this very
unrealistic, idealistic view of life because they
have had it so good, they are incapable of
seeing this issue from the point of view
of someone who wishes that they had never
been born.
this blinds them not only in a discussion
about abortion but in a lot of other
discussions as well including many
different social programs. Since they
have had it so good, they don't understand
what it is like for people who do not and
thus, they tend to believe that everyone
can have a life like the one that they are
living forgetting that they started with
so much more and also forgetting that they
have been incredibly lucky. The
priviledges that we have, however few or
many, blind us to people's lives and
experiences who have less or nothing at
all.
Quote:
so far in my
life the good hasn't outweighed the bad of
my life. Is life really worth
living?
I am sorry that you
have not had a good life. You are not
alone in that. But, I have to agree with
eiri. None of us asked to be born when
we were and to whom. But we can't give
up. We just have to continue on, work
hard, and hope that things improve.
Quote:
it really should
be the babies choice if it wants to live
or not, but they have to rely on their
conceivers decisions which may not be what
they would have wanted if they could think
of things like that before they were
born.
i think this is an
interesting concept. I almost wish it
were possible because then children would
finally only be born in situations where
they are well cared for. Too bad the
real world can't work that way.
I wish you a better life and more time to
contemplate your place in it, raziel.
Best of luck.
Peace,
jenn
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Super Nova
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Posted: 09-02-06 18:32pm
Are you feeling suicidal by any chance? I
am sorry you feel the way you do. I can
relate I have had times (sometimes going
on for a week or more) that I wish my
mother had aborted me but then I am
thankful she didn't.
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I think this post should be moved to
depression and suicidal tendancies. Your
very gloomy....Life sucks at times and its
amazing other times..But I seriously would
recommend some paxil ....It works wonders!
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patiencekea
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Posted: 09-11-06 13:46pm
emma2
wrote:
i think this post should be
moved to depression and suicidal
tendancies. Your very gloomy....Life
sucks at times and its amazing other
times..But I seriously would recommend
some paxil ....It works
wonders!
i think your response was very
inappropriate. She had a hard life and
was speaking out about it. Many childern
whos parents choose not to abort have beat
their children, ignored them, neglected
them........She was just stating that she
is hurting really bad and her point on
life. She may be gloomy but atleast she
is talkign about it instead of killing
herself or others. That is what
communticaiton is. When you say stuff
like you did in your post your telling
other woman that you don't care and that
they should keep their feelings to
themselves. She was not insulting anyone
but yet you insulted her.
Do you have children of your own? Is
that how you would respond to your child?
Or anyone elses? If my child spoke out
and felt that way I would hope that if
he/she didn't feel they could come to me
then they would find an outlet for their
feelings. She did and you just slamed
the door in her face. That just makes no
sence to me at all.
Just a short reply: what a fantastic way
of putting things! Pro-lifers bang on
about "foetuses are not asking to die" -
well, hey, "foetuses are not asking to
live"!
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EugeniaBrown
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Re: My Grandmother Wanted Me Aborted... Posted: 10-31-06 02:12am
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Posted: 10-31-06 02:13am
kypros
wrote:
just a short reply: what a
fantastic way of putting things!
Pro-lifers bang on about "foetuses are not
asking to die" - well, hey, "foetuses are
not asking to
live"!
what if they could ask? Forget about
either, prolifers or prochocers.... Just
imagine for a moment that we can hear them
say something. What woudl that be?
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EugeniaBrown
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Posted: 10-31-06 02:16am
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Tylanas
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Posted: 10-31-06 02:45am
Eugenia hun... This section of the
forums is for pro-choice people only,
that's why it's labled as such. I am the
moderator of this forum. This is
counting as your first notice. Please,
please read the rules of the forums, okay?
You are a wonderful person, I can tell
from your posts and you do seem to
genuinely care. I'd hate to have to
delete any posts of yours because they are
more often than not filled with caring and
good advice.
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Posted: 10-31-06 10:35am
patiencekea
wrote:
emma2
wrote:
i think this post should be
moved to depression and suicidal
tendancies. Your very gloomy....Life
sucks at times and its amazing other
times..But I seriously would recommend
some paxil ....It works
wonders!
i think your response was very
inappropriate. She had a hard life and
was speaking out about it. Many
childern whos parents choose not to abort
have beat their children, ignored them,
neglected them........She was just stating
that she is hurting really bad and her
point on life. She may be gloomy but
atleast she is talkign about it instead of
killing herself or others. That is what
communticaiton is. When you say stuff
like you did in your post your telling
other woman that you don't care and that
they should keep their feelings to
themselves. She was not insulting
anyone but yet you insulted her.
Do you have children of your own? Is
that how you would respond to your child?
Or anyone elses? If my child spoke
out and felt that way I would hope that if
he/she didn't feel they could come to me
then they would find an outlet for their
feelings. She did and you just slamed
the door in her face. That just makes
no sence to me at
all.
i went through some really bad expierences
at age 12, I ran away from because my dad
had hit me. I went through multiple down
time/hard times got into drugs and stuff,
got abused some more and my mom did
exactly what your saying emma.
Here "jess" take another paxel well f*ck
that, my mom kept bringing me to a shrink,
she couldnt figure out why my marks were
dropping at achool all I needed was
someone to talk to, who wouldnt baby me!
So anyways they told me I was
bipolar/schizophrenic with manic
depression in the end when I said enough
at 17 I was removed from all those godamn
pill and was finally allowed to live my
life!
Listen,emphasize but do not pity and
giveng paxel isnt a doing it cure
sorry gals that one touched a soft sopt
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Posted: 10-31-06 11:20am
patiencekea
wrote:
emma2
wrote:
i think this post should be
moved to depression and suicidal
tendancies. Your very gloomy....Life
sucks at times and its amazing other
times..But I seriously would recommend
some paxil ....It works
wonders!
i think your response was very
inappropriate. She had a hard life and
was speaking out about it. Many
childern whos parents choose not to abort
have beat their children, ignored them,
neglected them........She was just stating
that she is hurting really bad and her
point on life. She may be gloomy but
atleast she is talkign about it instead of
killing herself or others. That is what
communticaiton is. When you say stuff
like you did in your post your telling
other woman that you don't care and that
they should keep their feelings to
themselves. She was not insulting
anyone but yet you insulted her.
Do you have children of your own? Is
that how you would respond to your child?
Or anyone elses? If my child spoke
out and felt that way I would hope that if
he/she didn't feel they could come to me
then they would find an outlet for their
feelings. She did and you just slamed
the door in her face. That just makes
no sence to me at
all.
oh shut up...You are such a f-ing
fool....She needs paxil...And thats
opening a door not closing it...
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Emma2
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Posted: 10-31-06 11:23am
diamondsz
wrote:
patiencekea
wrote:
emma2
wrote:
i think this post should be
moved to depression and suicidal
tendancies. Your very gloomy....Life
sucks at times and its amazing other
times..But I seriously would recommend
some paxil ....It works
wonders!
i think your response was very
inappropriate. She had a hard life and
was speaking out about it. Many
childern whos parents choose not to abort
have beat their children, ignored them,
neglected them........She was just stating
that she is hurting really bad and her
point on life. She may be gloomy but
atleast she is talkign about it instead of
killing herself or others. That is
what communticaiton is. When you say
stuff like you did in your post your
telling other woman that you don't care
and that they should keep their feelings
to themselves. She was not insulting
anyone but yet you insulted her.
Do you have children of your own? Is
that how you would respond to your child?
Or anyone elses? If my child spoke
out and felt that way I would hope that if
he/she didn't feel they could come to me
then they would find an outlet for their
feelings. She did and you just slamed
the door in her face. That just makes
no sence to me at
all.
i went through some really bad expierences
at age 12, I ran away from because my dad
had hit me. I went through multiple down
time/hard times got into drugs and stuff,
got abused some more and my mom did
exactly what your saying emma.
Here "jess" take another paxel well f*ck
that, my mom kept bringing me to a shrink,
she couldnt figure out why my marks were
dropping at achool all I needed was
someone to talk to, who wouldnt baby me!
So anyways they told me I was
bipolar/schizophrenic with manic
depression in the end when I said enough
at 17 I was removed from all those godamn
pill and was finally allowed to live my
life!
Listen,emphasize but do not pity and
giveng paxel isnt a doing it cure
sorry gals that one touched a soft
sopt
its paxil first of all and it is a start.
Stop acting like some lunatic jess....Its
for depression and a few people I know
take it and it helped them and actually
saved one of my suicidal friend....Chill
out a have a glass of wine!
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Tylanas
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I think the point here is that the girl
needs a psychiatrist to talk to first, and
to determin if she even needs drugs.
Maybe she just needs a shoulder to cry on.
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EugeniaBrown
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Posted: 10-31-06 14:10pm
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just a short reply: what a
fantastic way of putting things!
Pro-lifers bang on about "foetuses are not
asking to die" - well, hey, "foetuses are
not asking to
live"!
what if they could ask? Forget about
either, prolifers or prochocers.... Just
imagine for a moment that we can hear them
say something. What woudl that
be?
you wouldn't get a response because
foetuses would neither be able to
understand the question "do you want to
live?" nor would they be able to reply to
it.
Kypros.
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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 11-01-06 18:59pm
kypros
wrote:
eugeniabrown
wrote:
kypros
wrote:
just a short reply: what a
fantastic way of putting things!
Pro-lifers bang on about "foetuses are not
asking to die" - well, hey, "foetuses are
not asking to
live"!
what if they could ask? Forget about
either, prolifers or prochocers....
Just imagine for a moment that we can hear
them say something. What woudl that
be?
you wouldn't get a response because
foetuses would neither be able to
understand the question "do you want to
live?" nor would they be able to reply to
it.
Kypros.
i can imagine my own and
my husbands.
Mine: hey fetus. If your mother chooses
to have you and you don't have any genetic
deformities, your presence doesn't
threaten her health or life, and you
remain healthy enough, your life will
consist of the following: an average
childhood in a middle class home and
neighborhood, a painful divorce and bloody
custody battle, a new loving home in a
wealthier community with an attentive
mother and stepfather, fantastic high
school with tons of opportunites for a
girl with her parents credit card, good
college, lovely wedding, supportive
husband, good credit, nice home of your
own, savings, travel, etc. Would you
like that?
My husbands: hey fetus. If you mother
chooses to have you and you don't have any
genetic deformities, your presence doesn't
threaten her health or life, and you
remain healthy enough, your life will
consist of the following: poverty, hunger,
neglect, sickness, preventable disease,
abuse, lack of opportunity at the same
high school because you don't have the
money to pay for the extras, meet a lovely
young woman, live at her house for the
remainder of your high school days because
your father decides that you are cramping
his pimp/playboy image and kicks you out
at 16, have a strained relationship with
both parents for as long as the eye can
see, battle with weight issues when there
finally is enough food to eat, good
college thanks to the kindness of someone
elses parents, supportive wife, good
credit, nice home of your own even though
your dad always puts it down when you see
him, savings, travel, etc. Would you like
that?
My husband has said several times that if
he could have chosen not to be born, that
he would have made that choice because for
all of the good that has happened in the
past six years, there was two decades of
horror.
Not everyone who is alive is happy that
their parents bumped uglies and decided to
keep what resulted from that. It is
supremely naive to believe that any life
is better than no life at all, especially
when people are suffering as much as they
are.
