Baby Born In Waiting Room Murdered At Florida Abortion Clini Posted: 08-14-06 10:00am
Baby born in waiting room murdered at
florida abortion clinic
officials "put the baby in a bag and
walked away with it"
hialeah, florida, july 31, 2006
(lifesitenews.Com) – an investigation is
underway at a florida abortion clinic
after police found the body of a baby,
following a tip that the child had been
killed after birth.
Nbc6 news reported friday on the discovery
by hialeah police, who said they had
received a call alleging that someone at
the abortion clinic had killed a baby born
alive on the premises july 20.
An initial search revealed nothing, police
said, but another tip on friday from an
additional source led them back to the
clinic where they discovered the body of
the male child—approximately 22-weeks
gestational development—in a biohazard
container.
“we were able to locate the mother of
this child, who is an 18-year-old female.
We located her. She, in fact, reiterated
that she did come to this clinic to have
an abortion, and she gave birth to the
baby while waiting for the doctor to
arrive. The doctor was not here,” lt.
Ralph garcia of the hialeah police
department told nbc6 news.
According to the anonymous caller who
reported the incident, after the woman
gave birth to her child in the waiting
room, "employees cut the umbilical cord,
put the baby in a bag and walked away with
it," garcia said.
Police chief rolando bolanos ordered the
clinic, a gyn diagnostic center, to close
until the investigation has been
concluded. The miami-dade medical
examiner’s office has not yet determined
the exact cause of death for the child.
Police are waiting for the autopsy results
to reveal if a homicide was committed.
Attorney regina demoraes-millan,
representing one of the clinic owners and
a clinic employee, told the miami herald
that her clients were cooperating fully
with the investigation.
“my clients run an abortion clinic.
It’s a legal business,” she said.
A florida abortion clinic in orlando was
accused last year of refusing to assist an
infant reportedly born alive, despite the
mother’s pleas for help. Autopsy
results to determine if the child was
alive at birth were inconclusive.
Under the born-alive infants protection
law, a child is considered born alive if
it breaths, if the heart is beating, the
umbilical cord pulsating or if there is
voluntary movement. A child born alive at
any stage of development is entitled to
full legal protection and all necessary
medical intervention
What's the difference between the baby
being killed inside the mother and born
dead and/or removed or it being born alive
and then dying from lack of medical
assistance? If it's legal to abort a
baby at 22 weeks then why does it suddenly
become different when the baby is outside
of the womb? Why is one 'abortion' and
the other 'homicide'?
Interesting.
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diamond splinter
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Posted: 08-14-06 12:34pm
Good question my opinion is that they are
both homicide but then thats just my
opinion and as a voter stands for diddly
when you come down to a say in how the
goverment is run saddens me to say but our
goverment cannot make thier own decsions
they have to follow the likes of bush
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nightangel73
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Posted: 08-14-06 20:37pm
happybaby
wrote:
what's the difference
between the baby being killed inside the
mother and born dead and/or removed or it
being born alive and then dying from lack
of medical assistance? If it's legal to
abort a baby at 22 weeks then why does it
suddenly become different when the baby is
outside of the womb? Why is one
'abortion' and the other 'homicide'?
Interesting.
that's correct I don't see any difference
as well. In both cases the baby is 22
weeks. Whether the baby is killed through
medical abortion or it born and then put
in a biohazard trashcan to me is the same
thing.
So it is the baby's ability to breath
"air" what makes it one abortion and the
other homicide.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-14-06 21:04pm
How the heck did this 18 year old get an
abortion at 22 weeks anyway? That's
crazy... That's a 5 month old fetus, it's
no suprise it was born alive however,
how the hell did she go into labor?
What is going on here? I don't think the
technicians should have done what they did
unless they had permission from the
mother; from both mothers, including the
one who pleaded for them to help the
child.
There are a lot of things wrong here, and
the least one is the fact that she wanted
an abortion.
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Posted: 08-14-06 23:25pm
If the kid was actually born (as in
without the mother being induced), it
probably would have been better off dead
anyway. A child born that prematurely
would most likely have any number of birth
defects. The girl was going to get an
abortion anyway, so what's the big deal?
The fetus was going to die in the end
anyway, so what difference does it make?
People are so stupid sometimes. I'm
ashamed to admit i'm part of the human
race sometimes, I swear.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 08-15-06 03:56am
cambion
wrote:
if the kid was actually born
(as in without the mother being induced),
it probably would have been better off
dead anyway. A child born that
prematurely would most likely have any
number of birth defects. The girl was
going to get an abortion anyway, so what's
the big deal? The fetus was going to
die in the end anyway, so what difference
does it make?
People are so stupid sometimes. I'm
ashamed to admit i'm part of the human
race sometimes, I
swear.
amazing just .E.D.I.T. .F.O.R.
.A.B.U.S.I.V.E. .L.A.N.G.U.A.G.E.
Amazing, pro choice argue time after time
that it cannot be murder
because the child is not born, yet here is
a born child and you lot claim it is still
not homicide., well it is that child was
not dependent on the mother anymore
therefore she has no right to say let the
child die and the doctors should be struck
off has he broke the hypocratic oath.The
difference cambion can you not see, can I
kill you and get away with it, because you
are going to die anyway, so whats the
difference are people of a certain age
worth more cambion, whether you like or
dislike children, whether you support
abortion or not, this is a case that is as
illegal as me shooting someone dead in the
streets.
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Posted: 08-15-06 07:21am
Well, I agree with eiri in the fact that
there's alot of this that doesn't quite
add up but the fact is that if this
happened the baby (as it was outside of
the uterus) shouldn't have been treat like
that, if it was born alive then it
shouldn't have been killed.
Quote:
well it is that
child was not dependent on the mother
anymore therefore she has no right to say
let the child die and the doctors should
be struck off has he broke the hypocratic
oath.
she has the right to refuse to let doctors
carry out medical treatment on the child
as she's the legal mother and the only one
capable of giving consent.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 08-15-06 09:12am
Quote:
she has the right
to refuse to let doctors carry out medical
treatment on the child as she's the legal
mother and the only one capable of giving
consent.
not if by denying that medical treatment
results in the death of the child.
Refusing a child medical treatment is
child cruelty and neglect and in any
civilised country is not tolerated.
So untill that child reaches the legal age
of an adult, 18 in some countrys 21 in
others, then the mother can withold
medical treatment because she is the legal
mother.So she can refuse to let the child
have an abortion and you would not say
anything against her, doubt that very
much.
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Posted: 08-15-06 09:57am
Quote:
so untill that
child reaches the legal age of an adult,
18 in some countrys 21 in others, then the
mother can withold medical treatment
because she is the legal mother.So she can
refuse to let the child have an abortion
and you would not say anything against
her, doubt that very much.
wrong.It's not about legal age it's about
being capable of being able to consent to
procedures (understaning the nature of the
treatment/what will happen if it's proceed
or not prodceeded ris/possible side
effects and complications/do the benefits
outweigh the negatives etc...) but until
this can happen (which is worked out
subjectively) then the legal
parent/guardians have to give consent - if
they refuse and it's considered
unreasonable for them to withold (the
major example being jehovah's witnesses
refusing to allow their children blood
transfusions) then an emergency court
order must be gained which means the local
authority will be able to grant consent
for the child/person unable of giving
consent.
This applies to adults uncapable of giving
consent to.
Refusing to allow an 18week premature
unwanted baby (who will probably die
anyway) treatment is hardly unreasonable,
especially when it's not a hospital, it
wouldn't have had the equiptment needed
for such a premature child.
Doctors are allowed to not treat someone,
even if it will result in death (passive
euthanasia) and this is in a civilised
country (england)
as for your abortion example then if the
child is old enough to understand the
procedure then her parents have no say in
the matter - it wouldn't matter whether it
was an abortion or another procedure, if
she's gillick compentent then she can have
it done if she consents.
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Posted: 08-15-06 10:24am
cowboys
wrote:
Quote:
she has the right
to refuse to let doctors carry out medical
treatment on the child as she's the legal
mother and the only one capable of giving
consent.
not if by denying that medical treatment
results in the death of the child.
Refusing a child medical treatment is
child cruelty and neglect and in any
civilised country is not tolerated.
So untill that child reaches the legal age
of an adult, 18 in some countrys 21 in
others, then the mother can withold
medical treatment because she is the legal
mother.So she can refuse to let the child
have an abortion and you would not say
anything against her, doubt that very
much.
yes she does, especially is she was going
to abort anyway.
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Posted: 08-15-06 21:32pm
I can only imagine being a worker in the
abortion clinic and put a baby like that
alive in a bag and walking away. How
cruel, cold blodded and heartless that is!
Eiri are you there? Can you tell me if
it is instinct of survival to put an alive
baby in a bag and walking away?
It makes me shiver the thought! Proof
that the devil exists.
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Posted: 08-15-06 23:36pm
nightangel73
wrote:
i can only imagine being a
worker in the abortion clinic and put a
baby like that alive in a bag and walking
away. How cruel, cold blodded and
heartless that is! Eiri are you there?
Can you tell me if it is instinct of
survival to put an alive baby in a bag and
walking away?
It makes me shiver the thought! Proof
that the devil
exists.
that is not proof that the devil exists,
that is proof of an abortion clinic crew
who were worried and didn't know what to
do with the live birth; so they did the
only thing they could think of: they
finished the job. It's not nice, and I
don't totally agree with it; but she was
ther for an abortion, and the got one. I
still want to know why she was in labor.
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HappyBaby
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Posted: 08-16-06 01:06am
I don't believe that it is proof that the
devil exists, although I can fully
understand why someone who is a .Christian
would believe that the devil was involved
here. However, people do crazy things
when they panic - also, it's amazing what
someone will do if an authority figure
orders them to do it.
That does not for a minute excuse
anybody's actions though - just might help
explain them.
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Posted: 08-16-06 09:20am
Quote:
amazing just
.E.D.I.T. .F.O.R. .A.B.U.S.I.V.E.
.L.A.N.G.U.A.G.E. Amazing, pro choice
argue time after time that it cannot be
homicide because the child is not born,
yet here is a born child and you lot claim
it is still not not a nice act., well it
is that child was not dependent on the
mother anymore therefore she has no right
to say let the child die and the doctors
should be struck off has he broke the
hypocratic oath.The difference cambion can
you not see, can I kill you and get away
with it, because you are going to die
anyway, so whats the difference are people
of a certain age worth more cambion,
whether you like or dislike children,
whether you support abortion or not, this
is a case that is as illegal as me
shooting someone dead in the streets.
as far as i'm concerned, a "baby" that
young is still a fetus. How many babies
born almost four months premature can
survive without medical intervention? I
find the possibility of a girl giving
birth on the day she is scheduled to have
an abortion to be astronomical - there's
something in the story that seems to be
missing. But as I said before, the girl
went to the clinic to have an abortion -
maybe she wasn't expecting a post-natal
abortion, but she got what she went for.
The child probably would have perished
anyway, as I had said before, so I don't
see this as being on the same level of
malice as slaughtering a two-year-old.
Also, my opinion has nothing to do with my
dislike for children. I agree that the
clinic may not have done the greatest
thing in the world in this situation, but
it's an abortion clinic - not a maternity
ward. Was the patient supposed to walk
away with the child she didn't want in the
first place?
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