Abortion is really a dabatable issue.
I've been very open minded when it comes
to this things but do you think it should
be tolerated?
Being able to concieve a baby at a young
age is really confusing and sometimes
stressful. Some families opt to advice
their daughters to abort their baby for
the sake of their future but what about
the happiness of the child and the mother
being united in this world.
Is it really a legal toleration?
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Tylanas
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Yes, definately. Abortion is a major
right for a woman. If you don't think it
should be tolerated, then why are you
posting on the pro-choice forum?
abortion is really a
dabatable issue. I've been very open
minded when it comes to this things but do
you think it should be tolerated?
Being able to concieve a baby at a young
age is really confusing and sometimes
stressful. Some families opt to advice
their daughters to abort their baby for
the sake of their future but what about
the happiness of the child and the mother
being united in this world.
Is it really a legal
toleration?
once again someone who
disagrees with abortion decides to boil
all pregnancies down to a matter of
inconvenience/convenience. Not all
unintended pregnancies occur to young
women. Not all unintended pregnancies
occur to poor women, or any other category
of woman who would choose to abort "for
her future."
abortion must be tolerated out of respect
for the individual woman and her ability
to decide for herself what is best for her
body, mind, spirit, and family. A woman
knows herself best and knows her family
best. She, alone, knows whether or not
an unintended pregnancy can be carried to
term and what will have to happen with the
resulting child.
When we start boiling all women down into
a very narrow and naive formula of who
should obtain an abortion
and who should not, we dismiss the
notion that women are intelligent,
sentient, moral agents in charge of their
own destiny. We, instead, treat women
like mindless, walking wombs who must be
told what to do. This is supremely
disrespectful to all women but is
especially heinous for a woman who does
not fit within the narrow formula of
"acceptable" abortions.
Women have always sought and obtained
abortions when they, for whatever reason,
felt that they could not continue their
pregnancies. Abortion has existed for
thousands of years and only in the recent
past of human history has this ever been a
legal debate. For most of our collective
history, this has been a medical debate.
And for most of our history, women have
obtained abortions whether they were safe
or not, legal or not. This will continue
as it does in areas of the world where
abortion is currently illegal.
By keeping abortion legal, it is legally
accessible to all women, not just the
wealthy who have always been able to
obtain abortions, and it allows women the
right to safely choose whether they will
remain pregnant or not based on their own
beliefs, health status, and personal
family situation. It also keeps the
government out of personal health care
decisions and thus, out of our most
personal, private lives. I don't know
about you but I rather prefer that our
government not take over my personal
health care or decisions about it.
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pretty_baby
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Posted: 08-17-06 00:31am
Oh... Oh... Oh... Maybe you
misinterpreted me. I'm pro-choice that's
why I posted in here, the reason why I
asked that is because i’m quite aware
with the things that are going on. It is
ok to have abortion for those who have
definite reasons but I can't accept the
young teenager under 18. I've read
somewhere that there are condoms now for
sale for guys (13 yrs old). Is it ok with
you?
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Moo
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Posted: 08-17-06 02:16am
Personally I couldn't care less what age
the woman has an abortion, provided it's
her choice (if she's young then as long as
she understands the procedure etc...). I
don't think it's right to say that
"abortion is ok in x x x situation but not
in x x" if you get what I mean? If it's
ok for a 20year old why not a 17year old,
provided it's the right decision for
her?
Also, I don't personally agree with
underage sex (16 is the legal age here)
but I don't think the problem is with the
availability of condoms I think it's down
to lack of edcation, sex education is
truely terrible but if it's illegal for
13year olds to have sex then they
shouldn't be able to buy them (free
clinics are another option and if people
are going to have sex at that age it's
better they use protection)
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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 08-17-06 17:59pm
pretty_baby
wrote:
oh... Oh... Oh...
Maybe you misinterpreted me. I'm
pro-choice that's why I posted in here,
the reason why I asked that is because
i’m quite aware with the things that are
going on. It is ok to have abortion for
those who have definite reasons but I
can't accept the young teenager under
18.
would you want someone
that young to be having children? Think
about it.
We all agree that teen pregnancy is a
negative event in our society. It has
negative impacts for the young woman, the
resulting child, possibly the sperm
donor/father, and all of their families.
We all agree on this because we have all
seen it to one degree or another.
Younger people are not yet equipped with
the education, training, or maturity to
handle a pregnancy let alone raise a child
by themselves (not all of them fit into
this, I am of course generalizing).
Nearly all of them require some assistance
and we, as a society, are very
stingy with that kind of assistance.
Young women are not stupid just like older
women are not stupid. They know what
kind of assistance they are likely to get
and from who they are likely to receive it
from. So, for some young women, they may
realize that the assistance they may
receive will not be enough for them to
support a child. They may, at that time,
decide to have an abortion due to lack of
support. I happen to believe that this
is a very responsible decision because it
will allow the young woman to hopefully
continue with her life until she is able
to support herself and her future
family.
Also, with young women, there is an
increased chance for permanent damage done
to their bodies during the pregnancy as
well as an increased chance of low body
weight for their infants. This can cause
health problems that they are not equipped
to pay for so once again, they will have
to rely on others for assistance.
When people who do not have an education,
training, or enough life experience become
parents, we all inevitably end up
supporting them for long periods of time.
I think it is far better for a young
woman to put off her child bearing until
she is able to support herself and her
children.
Quote:
i've read
somewhere that there are condoms now for
sale for guys (13 yrs old). Is it ok
with you?
condoms are for sale for
anyone at any age. However, getting
people to use them, and use them
correctly, has always been the problem.
Young people, especially young men, are
unlikely to use consistent contraception.
This occurs because we, unlike other
industrialized nations, do not take the
time to educate our young people and
then we do all we can to deny them access
to contraception until they reach 18 even though not
having a condom never stopped anyone from
having sex, it only made the sex
riskier.
teenagers are going to have sex. End of
story. Teenagers have always had sex, in
every generation, in every time period
throughout history. Earlier in our
collective history, people got married as
teenagers and thus, started having sex.
Now, marriage is being put off longer and
longer as people try to gain educations to
support themselves.
Still, the same hormones that made ancient
teenagers run off and get married so they
could have sex are the same hormones that
occur with our current teenagers. And
our teenagers experience them, experiment
with them, and develop sexual behaviors
just as they always have.
What we need to stress is not locking them
all into small padded rooms alone until
they turn 18 (which would be the only way
to keep them from having sex), but to
teach them how to protect themselves. We
don't do that.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-17-06 20:15pm
Yes; it's even more important for abortion
to be available to the young women,
including teens, since they are the ones
most often unable to properly care for the
child, and those are the family situations
we are trying to avoid.
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pretty_baby
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Posted: 08-18-06 01:11am
The next episode of 30 days on fx is about
abortion. For sure there will be a lot of
different opinions about it. There are
certain issues that has to be discussed
thoroughly especially the here says of
different persons.
I think abortion services should be
provided for free for teenagers and
college students. I know pregnant teens
get scared, embarrassed, and ashamed to
tell their parents about their
pregnancies, and this leads them to do
nothing about it until they're six months
gone and then a termination is out of the
question. Teens should be able to get
free abortion services without having
their parents know about it. Maybe it's
just me, but I have yet to meet a teen or
a student who had seven hundred extra
dollars just lying around for an
abortion.
I've said it before and i'll say it again
- kids have no business having kids. If
you need further proof, go read all the
trainwrecks in the teen pregnancy forum.
But then again, those are the girls who
think being pregnant makes them cool, or
they need a way to keep their babydaddies
with them.
I also agree that not all unplanned
pregnancies begin with teens, dropouts,
etc. There are adult women of all ages
who suffer accidental pregnancies, just
like there are two-watt teens who try to
have babies. But we all know teens get
the least respect for their decisions
because quite often they are too young to
work or need to drop out to vaguely
resemble a decent parent. Yeah I know,
i'm really bashing teen parents, but I
have yet to see a responsible one, so I
have no respect for them.
Sorry if I went off on a tangent...Or two.
I'm in a ranty mood today.
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diamondsz
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Posted: 08-18-06 08:09am
.E.D.I..T. .F.O.R. .A.B.U.S.I.V.E.
.L.A.N.G.U.A.G.E.
That cambion, i'm sick of this teens are
no good crap...
First off I had my daughter in my teen
years and yes I was more than finicially
stable, no I didnt live with mommy/daddy I
moved out of their home at 17 got myself a
good paying job, got married and got a
house.
Never ever judge teens, some of then are
in the same sitiuation and are doing
awesome(pats on back) you have no right to
judge
you say your prochoice so abortion should
be open for everyone and no abortion is
not for on social class will you guys stop
berating social classes
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-18-06 11:13am
Some teens do well...
And most do not; we simply want to avoid
babies having babies. We don't think it's
fair to the infant or the teen. It's nice
you did well, but honestly, most girls do
not, period. It is always the girl's
choice; we simply want to make it as easy
to have an abortion as it is to sit around
and do nothing, freaking out.
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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 08-18-06 15:07pm
cambion
wrote:
maybe it's just me, but I
have yet to meet a teen or a student who
had seven hundred extra dollars just lying
around for an
abortion.
it all depends. I
grew up in a rather wealthy neighborhood
and money was everywhere. I had a job
and had to pay for nothing but my car so I
routinely had about $400 a month to spend
on myself. I could have easily
scraped together seven hundred or even
more if I needed to. But, I realize that
I was in a very, very small minority of
teens so I understand what you're saying
and I agree.
diamondsz
wrote:
first off I had my daughter
in my teen years and yes I was more than
finicially stable, no I didnt live with
mommy/daddy I moved out of their home at
17 got myself a good paying job, got
married and got a house.
Never ever judge teens, some of then are
in the same sitiuation and are doing
awesome(pats on back) you have no right to
judge
congratulations and
good for you! You are a statistical
outlier. This means that your experience
and situation is rare and unusual
for teens who become pregnant and keep the
pregnancy.
I am sorry if you feel like we are bashing
teen parents. However, the statistical
evidence is that the overwhelming majority
of young women who have a child in their
teens require support and assistance for
many years afterward. The most telling
statistic that I have ever read stated
that of all of the teenage women who give
birth before they are 18, less than 2%
seek out any kind of further education or
job training. Without an education or
job training, they are
relying on someone else to support them or
they are living in poverty with their
child(ren).
My problem with the person who started
this thread was that they seem to believe
that abortion should only be available to
those over the age of 18, that young women
under 18 should be punished with pregnancy
for having sex. That attitude and
sentiment I do not agree with and I gave
my reasons why. I feel that young women
under 18, possibly more than anyone else,
need the option of abortion open to them
because the majority of them are not
prepared to have or raise children.
I hate seeing women, of any age, dependent
on other people (especially men). That
kind of lifestyle is more like a prison
than anything else and i, for one, am sick
of seeing imprisoned women. I want to
see strong, educated, independent, capable
women standing on their own two feet so
that they aren't someone elses slave,
doormat, or punching bag. The one way
that we can do that is through controlling
our fertility until we have the education
and training that we need to obtain
sustainable jobs. Young women do not yet
have the education, training, or even life
experience to do that and most of them
cannot.
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pretty_baby
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Posted: 08-21-06 00:56am
Have you already seen the video trailer of
30 days on fx channel? I think the
pro-choice will be making lots of mental
reasoning when it comes to bringing out
their opinions while the pro-life is more
focused on the religious aspect. What do
you think?
Well atleast all these babies that die
before birth go straight to heaven! Thats
the good thing about it, right?
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Moo
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Re: :) & :( Posted: 08-21-06 06:53am
kello78
wrote:
well atleast all these
babies that die before birth go straight
to heaven! Thats the good thing about
it, right?
are you pro-choice?
Firsly, the "good thing" about abortion is
that it allows women the freedom to make
their own decisions on whether or not to
continue a pregnancy, for whatever
reason.
Secondly, I don't enter into religious
debate so whether the z/e/f's go to heaven
or not is rather irrelevant. As far as
i'm concerned all that matters are the
facts/feelings of the individual
circumstance
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Cambion
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Posted: 08-21-06 10:24am
I was wondering when the religious crap
would come into play. Has there ever been
an abortion debate here that didn't
involve at least one person spouting off
catholic garbage? I don't know about
anyone else here who isn't a religious
zealot, but I don't believe zygotes have
souls that can go to heaven in the first
place. But if you want to tell yourselves
that, then fine - zygote souls will go to
heaven along with the souls of my trimmed
toenails and the souls of the dead hairs
in my brush.
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kello78
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:) & :( Posted: 08-21-06 10:32am
No I am pro life, im sorry I was in the
wrong place at the wrong time, im new to
this ehealth. Although this is the only
"good thing" I see from abortian, I dont
want my sarcastic remark to cause any
females out there to go ahead and get one,
I dont want to jusify homicide, once
again, im sorry, I wont be back!God
forgive me!
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kello78
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:)&:( Posted: 08-21-06 10:34am
By the way im not catholic, its a sin to
worship mary!
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-21-06 12:52pm
Look, I hope you've realised you're not
supposed to be posting on this forum, this
is for pro-choice people only.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 08-21-06 13:30pm
Never judge a book by it's cover. Their
are some teens that do make good mothers,
true, I do not like to see 13 or 14 y/o
kids that end up pregnant and look at some
of these pre-teens, 11 and 12 y/o kids
that end up pregnant, that is what scares
me but their are also some 20 +y/o that
are horrible parents too but like I have
said before you can talk to your kids and
they can get sex-ed in school and a lot of
them will not listen or they will say or
think that getting pregnant will not
happen to them. It is scarry raising
children nowadays, even though mine are
grown, it is still scarry! All the
diseases, sending them off to war. Even
though my daughter has a good b/f she
could still be raped, my son will be going
back to iraq for the 3rd time soon.
At least thsir is a choice!
All the best to you!
