Something That Doesn't Make Sense to Me. Posted: 08-18-06 15:39pm
I went to another clinic to help out with
their free pap smear day. We had 130
patients in 6 hours. It was a great
event. Still, there were protestors
outside with a stack of pamphlets.
Several of our patients took the pamphlets
when entering the parking lot (to be nice
and respectful) but then handed them
directly to us when they got inside. So,
I read them.
The first pamphlet had to do with
abortion. We weren't performing
abortions but that's okay. However, in
the pamphlet it stated that saline
abortions are widely used. Saline
abortions haven't been used since the
seventies. So, my first question is why
lie? It doesn't make sense to me to lie
to anyone.
The second, third, fourth, and fifth
pamphlets were all about abstinence-only,
how great chastity is, and how it should
be strived for by everyone who is
unmarried. The problem with this,
though, is that out of 130 patients, only
3 of them were unmarried. So four
pamphlets were only applicable to 2.3% of
our patients. In fact, most of our
patients were older and brought their
children with them.
The sixth pamphlet was about the common,
every day birth control pill. The
pamphlet stated that the birth control
pill causes abortions. This is another
lie. There is no medical or scientific
evidence that this is true. But, this
pamphlet got me to seriously thinking
about "prolife" people. If your claim is
that you want to end abortions, then
shouldn't you support the tools that make
unintended pregnancies less frequent? If
you want no more abortions to take place,
then why wouldn't you support the tool
that makes the reason for abortions
(unintended pregnancy) to not arise?
The only birth control that the pamphlet
was positive towards was "natural family
planning" which is known as having a
horrible failure rate. 1 in 4 women who
try nfp during one year become pregnant.
If everyone stopped using hormonal birth
control or even barrier methods like
condoms and instead switched to nfp, there
would be a huge increase in unintended
pregnancies which, in turn, would mean
that there would be a huge increase in
abortions. So, again, if you want to end
abortions, why don't you support birth
control?
I truly do not understand this. 98% of
americans use birth control during their
lifetimes (this includes the women who
belong to religions who condemn the
practice of birth control). Women today
have approximately 30 years in which they
are fertile (age 15 to 45) and the average
woman spends 7 years trying to get
pregnant, being pregnant, and nursing.
That means that the average woman has
23
years in which she is trying to
avoid becomming pregnant. Further, the
average american, married or single, young
or old, has sex once a week. 85% of
americans in some kind of a relationship
report having sex at least once a week. If
you're going to be having sex at least
once a week and you're trying to avoid
pregnancy for 23 years (or more) of your
life, then you're going to have to depend
on some kind of reliable birth control.
.T.H.I.S is the middle ground
issue. Everyone likes birth control.
Everyone uses birth control at some point.
And everyone wants to prevent pregnancy
instead of being put in the position to
make a decision about abortion. So why
not support and encourage consistent use
of effective birth control?
Does this make sense to anyone?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-18-06 18:55pm
Their problem is that their views on sex
come from a different time, when thre was
no good way to prevent pregnancy before
marriage, and so the safest route was
absitnance; since raising a child as a
single mother back then was nearly
impossible, as women had no rights. Now,
we do have effective birth
control, so there is no need to abstain
anymore.
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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 08-18-06 19:10pm
eiri
wrote:
their problem is that their
views on sex come from a different
time,
I can slightly
understand that. However, there does
come a point when you must acknowledge the
current reality. The reality now is
that most people enjoy the fact that sex
can be enjoyed outside of its ability to
reproduce. Most people live lives where
sex is to be enjoyed whether you're trying
to have a baby or just trying to have an
orgasm. Sooner or later, you have to
realize that this is how the majority of
people are living their lives and want to
live their lives. But the "prolifers"
and their pamphlets are completely out of
touch with reality and with the majority
of people and how they choose to live
their lives.
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Posted: 08-19-06 01:44am
Oh come now, jenn - you don't actually
expect pro-lifers to use facts and truth
to support their beliefs, do you? You
greatly overestimate these hypocrites...I
mean 'saviors of miracles'. I've yet to
see a pro-life argument that wasn't chock
full of lies and/or religious b/s, and
apparently little has changed.
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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 08-23-06 14:08pm
But everyone, even the "prolifers", are
tired of the contention. At the same
time, though, they don't seem to be
wanting to embrace the true middle ground
of reproductive issues - contraception.
It seems as though the majority go out of
their way to produce anti-birth control
pamphlets even though the majority of
people use birth control to build better
lives.
If this is the middle ground and if you do
truly want to see the numbers of abortions
decrease, then the key is to support
consistent, effective birth control, not
denegrate it. If you don't, then what is
it that you're truly after?
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Some Ideas From Me Posted: 08-24-06 12:44pm
jenn_smithson
wrote:
if this is the middle ground
and if you do truly want to see the
numbers of abortions decrease, then the
key is to support consistent, effective
birth control, not denegrate it. If you
don't, then what is it that you're truly
after?
*fear. Not all, but many prolifers want
you to fear god, fear sex, fear birth
control, fear pregnancy, and if that
doesn't work, fear abortion.
*tradition. Many prolifers I come into
contact with disdain current alternative
lifestyles. Living together out of
wedlock, people as a whole becoming more
accepting towards single motherhood, birth
control being distributed (because this of
course leads people to have more sex!)--
these things many prolifers feel are
detrimental to society. They want the
traditional family unit to return, because
that's when life was "better". They are
brainwashed to believe that anything
outside of married, 2.5 kids, a dog, and a
minivan in the garage is in league with
satan and worthy of 'looking down upon'.
*ignorance. Complete misinformation on
birth control, economics, sex,
procreation, and reality. They truly
believe that birth control is bad.
Abortion is worse, all little babies are
wanted "miracles", and women should be
punished for having sex.
*economics. On another forum, a gentleman
said that there is a shortage of social
security for folks retiring now due to the
number of abortions that have taken place.
If these children had been born, they
would be working to support retired
citizens. Basically, he wanted abortion
to be abolished so we could have little
worker bees supporting the aging
population.
*more economics. In the usa, many wonder
how the usa will remain a "superpower" if
we continue to "kill" offspring and
potential middle class workers.
Personally, I think the usa has about 35
years, if less than that, of retaining
some kind of major economic foothold.
Thinking seriously of moving to new
zealand in about ten years.
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Posted: 08-24-06 16:17pm
I dont blame you
people believe woman should stay at home
and do nothing just produce kids, im sorry
we have our freedom and with that freedom
of choice I think abortions should stay
legal until men have to go through a
pregnancy.
The ignorance of that man (birch) I hate
ignorant people what the hell does he know
does he have kids if not then hes calling
the kettle black if he does I bet you he
never had to take care of the for more
than 8 hrs.
The day they remove our rights is the day
I will become a lesbian just because I
believe in freedom/equality!!
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That Blew My Mind No Need to Abstain Anymore Posted: 09-11-06 14:13pm
eiri
wrote:
their problem is that their
views on sex come from a different time,
when thre was no good way to prevent
pregnancy before marriage, and so the
safest route was absitnance; since raising
a child as a single mother back then was
nearly impossible, as women had no rights.
Now, we do have effective birth
control, so there is no need to abstain
anymore.
oh wow!!! You just blew my mind with that
statement "there is no need to abstain
anymore"....I would most certainly say
there is reason to abstain. There are
std's which the pill does not protect you
from. There are std's that the condom
does not even protect you from. Nothing
is 100% effective but abstainance.....
I am neither a pro sex or anti sex but sex
is a very emotional thing no matter how
much you (not meaing you directly) think
its not. Its a way to connect with
someone on a very personal level. Its a
great way to releve stress but I sure as
heck hope that my daughter or son abstain
till they are emotionally ready to handle
the effect that it will have on them.
I lost my virginity at 16 to someone just
because I thought that they would love me
if I did and the emotional blow that came
with losing them I was not prepared for.
I was also not prepared for the news I got
from the dr that I had a std. I thought
because I used a condom that I was
safe........Well I wasn't. After that I
abstained for a long while till I wanted
to make that connection with someone and
also to make sure that I didn't get an std
or unwanted prgnancy.
I agree with abstaining however I believe
our children and adults need to educated
on the true facts of reality when it comes
to std's, unwanted pregnancy, and the
emotional impact it has on your life.
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Patiencekea Posted: 09-11-06 16:32pm
I am sorry that this has happened to you!
You just reminded me of how many times
that I have told my kids(young adults now)
that nothing is 100% safe. Ifeel though
if you plan or are going to have sex that
something is safer than nothing and use it
correctly(i am not saying that you did not
but their are those that do not know how)
all the best!
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Re: That Blew My Mind No Need to Abstain Anymore Posted: 09-11-06 23:20pm
patiencekea
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
their problem is that their
views on sex come from a different time,
when thre was no good way to prevent
pregnancy before marriage, and so the
safest route was absitnance; since raising
a child as a single mother back then was
nearly impossible, as women had no rights.
Now, we do have effective birth
control, so there is no need to abstain
anymore.
oh wow!!! You just blew my mind with
that statement "there is no need to
abstain anymore"....I would most certainly
say there is reason to abstain. There
are std's which the pill does not protect
you from. There are std's that the
condom does not even protect you from.
Nothing is 100% effective but
abstainance.....
I am neither a pro sex or anti sex but sex
is a very emotional thing no matter how
much you (not meaing you directly) think
its not. Its a way to connect with
someone on a very personal level. Its a
great way to releve stress but I sure as
heck hope that my daughter or son abstain
till they are emotionally ready to handle
the effect that it will have on them.
I lost my virginity at 16 to someone just
because I thought that they would love me
if I did and the emotional blow that came
with losing them I was not prepared for.
I was also not prepared for the news I got
from the dr that I had a std. I thought
because I used a condom that I was
safe........Well I wasn't. After that I
abstained for a long while till I wanted
to make that connection with someone and
also to make sure that I didn't get an std
or unwanted prgnancy.
I agree with abstaining however I believe
our children and adults need to educated
on the true facts of reality when it comes
to std's, unwanted pregnancy, and the
emotional impact it has on your
life.
it's called a condom. If you're afraid of
stds and are with a partner or multiple
partners whom you are not sure if they are
clean or not, use a condom.
Having a healthy view of yourself, and of
love, and of sex will prevent women like
you having sex "just to make him love me".
I waited until I was in love with a man
who loved me back to have sex. That means
I had to wait until I was 20, but that's
how it goes.
Name an std that a condom can't prevent?
What std goes through the latex of a
condom? I'd love to know. And no,
wearing a condom on the penis and then
giving unprotected oral isn't going to
work.
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Posted: 09-12-06 01:26am
How about pubic lice? I expect they can
be passed on to someone even when a condom
is used.
The best advice is def still to use one
though!!!
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Posted: 09-12-06 07:09am
purestgreen
wrote:
how about pubic lice? I
expect they can be passed on to someone
even when a condom is used.
The best advice is def still to use one
though!!!
how so? I agree the best plan is to
always use one with a new partner until
you know that you're both clean. And if
you're dirty enough to have sex with
someone who is filthy enough to have pubic
lice...
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Jules
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Posted: 09-12-06 08:42am
Condoms do not offer 100 per cent
protection from stds and unwanted
pregnancy. It will not consistently
prevent transmission of stds passed
through skin-to-skin contact - for
example, syphilis, human papilloma virus
(warts) and herpes. However, if used
properly, they are very effective and can
reduce the risk of transmission of these
stds.
Pubic lice are spread by skin-to-skin
contact with someone who has lice, usually
through sexual contact. They can also
spread by sharing an infected person's
bedding, clothing or towels. They cannot
jump or fly. Condoms do not prevent the
spread of pubic lice.
