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Other Pro-life Topics Posted: 08-31-06 09:23am


This is a serious question. I'm just wondering whether you follow the entire pro-life ethics or if your views are soely related to abortion. Do you agree with euthanasia? What's your opinion on ivf? How do you feel about surrogacy?

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Posted: 08-31-06 09:39am

moo wrote:

this is a serious question.

I'm just wondering whether you follow the entire pro-life ethics or if your views are soely related to abortion.

Do you agree with euthanasia?

What's your opinion on ivf?

How do you feel about surrogacy?

don't agree with euthanasia
don't agree with ivf
surrogacy is a wonderful gift

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Posted: 08-31-06 09:53am


Interesting topic, moo. - I am all for euthanasia, but only if the person who it would be administered to had given consent at some point for it, be it through a signed document or entrusted to a close friend or relative. We euthanize animals when they are suffering, so why are humans not given the same right? It's not cruel to want to end someone's suffering, but it is, in fact, cruel to keep them alive when they're vegetating or in pain. But people these days figure that mere existence trumps quality of life, so euthanasia for humans will never be seen as a good thing. I wanted to add something else to this, but I know pro-lifers will get on my case about it, so i'll leave it at this. - I am against ivf one hundred percent. The way I see it, infertility is nature's way of telling people they shouldn't breed - it's natural population control. But people decide to defy nature, and they end up with premature or deformed babies, or multiples. Ivf is the epitome of selfishness, especially when there are so many children in foster care waiting to find homes. But humans selfishly need those babies that are of their own loins and not someone else's "messed up kid". If I had it my way, ivf would be outlawed. - I feel surrogacy falls along the same lines as ivf, and I am not in favor of it. Once again, if nature wanted that woman to have a baby, it would be as such. Humans didn't have surrogacy many, many years ago, and the human race is still around. Surrogacy is just another sign of human selfishness - gotta have that biological baby because adopted kids are too flawed to be loved. I just wish people would stop screwing with nature on such high levels as ivf. I understand humans play god almost every day now, even if they're just popping some aspirin for a headache. But just because we have the means to conceive babies in infertile women doesn't mean it should happen. I'm all for medical proedures and research that will benefit humankind (i.E. Stem cell research), not bolster selfishness among people who feel they deserve the best because they want to make more humans. Sometimes i'm ashamed to admit i'm a human.

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Posted: 08-31-06 10:01am


Personally I am in favour of euthanasia for terminally ill people. I agree with you cambion in that it's seen as kind to put down an animal yet a human is made to suffer until the last (pain medication can only do so much). Obviously it does need to be consented to in a very formal way. Ivf i'm for for couples who can afford to pay for it themselves. I think the nhs could spend the money they do on ivf on far better resources considering the huge failure rate of it. However, I do think couples should be urged to consider adoption before undergoing the process. I have mixed views on surrogacy, whilst I think it's an admirable thing to do there's something that just weirds me out about it, when the child is born it's legal mother is the surrogate and it can lead to all sorts of complications if she changes her mind (even if it's biologically not hers). It's kind of like renting a womb out for nine months, something I certainly wouldn't want to be any part of! I too also agree with stem cell research

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Posted: 08-31-06 16:39pm


I totally agree with euthanasia, why would you make someone suffer for so many days, I saw them do that to my aunt when she had cancer and she died in pain (that is disgraceful.) why should someone have to suffer if a dr can gurantee a person is terminally ill and the persons signs off I think she should be able to die in peace knowing that their family isnt worrying about them. I'm mixed on ivf surrogacy I see similar to adoption

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Posted: 08-31-06 18:07pm


Euthanasia: approve ivf & surrogacy: honestly, I think that a family should be very strongly advised to adopt before they do ivf or surrogacy. Also, an update for people... I still haven't tested, but, I have my next period and it's heavy, dark brown and reddish. So I don't think i'm pregnant lol. Last month must have been light because of funky horomones and the mid-month extreme stress and panic.

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Posted: 08-31-06 20:45pm

cambion wrote:

i just wish people would stop screwing with nature on such high levels as ivf. I understand humans play god almost every day now, even if they're just popping some aspirin for a headache. But just because we have the means to conceive babies in infertile women doesn't mean it should happen. I'm all for medical proedures and research that will benefit humankind (i.E. Stem cell research), not bolster selfishness among people who feel they deserve the best because they want to make more humans.

Sometimes i'm ashamed to admit i'm a human.

cambion why do you like stem cell research for? That will help prolong people lifes. Then we will have less population control. People need to die so we don't get overpopulated right?

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Posted: 09-01-06 07:43am


Only one pro-lifer has actually replied to the initial question and that was a very short post???????

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Posted: 09-01-06 08:25am

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cambion why do you like stem cell research for? That will help prolong people lifes. Then we will have less population control. People need to die so we don't get overpopulated right?

i'm not against improving the lives of those who are already here. I'm against bringing new, unneeded lives into this very overpopulated world. But since fetuses are more important than the people already contributing to society and/or making a difference, they will always be considered more valuable.

Don't you feel good knowing your life is valued so much lower than a bloody fetus?

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Posted: 09-01-06 09:52am


I'm pro choice but euthanasia: mixed feelings ivf: yes surrogacy: I think it's weird but if someone wants to do it more power to them. My best friend was a surrogate twice when she was 18 and 19yrs old and the family send her pics of the boys all the time. She was happy to help the couple. I still think it's weird though. Lol

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Posted: 09-01-06 10:13am

lil_blaze2004 wrote:

i'm pro choice but

euthanasia: mixed feelings

ivf: yes

surrogacy: I think it's weird but if someone wants to do it more power to them. My best friend was a surrogate twice when she was 18 and 19yrs old and the family send her pics of the boys all the time. She was happy to help the couple. I still think it's weird though. Lol

i am all for surrogacy but I don't think I would be strong enough to hand over the baby at the end of it it takes a special kinda person to do something so selfless

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Re: Other Pro-life Topics
Posted: 09-01-06 10:23am

moo wrote:

this is a serious question.

I'm just wondering whether you follow the entire pro-life ethics or if your views are soely related to abortion.

Do you agree with euthanasia?

yep.

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what's your opinion on ivf?

this is another personal option and as such, whatever someone decides for themselves is alright with me. For myself, I would seek adoption before ivf. I do not have a strong desire to pass down my genes, it is not something that I must do or be left unfulfilled like some people. Also, I personally think that the money would be much better saved for an adopted child's college education since adoptions (domestic) can cost less than ivf.

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how do you feel about surrogacy?

i'm concerned about surrogacy. Once again, personal choice = my support but i'm concerned about the way it is being marketed to some young women (egg donation included). There are always advertisements in our student newspaper for egg donation (up to $7,000) and surrogacy or adoption if you're already pregnant. Surrogacy offers start at $20,000 and work there way up from there and you also get a housing allowance, health insurance, travel expenses, clothes and food budget, etc. For a multiple pregnancy, you can get even more money.

This concerns me because it seems like rich people are preying on poor young women to carry their pregnancies. I'm concerned that the young woman is not fully informed of her rights and options during the process, that the drugs used in surrogacy may harm her, and that the situation is rather unnecessary to begin with (in my opinion) because there are hundreds of thousands of children waiting to be adopted.

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Re: Other Pro-life Topics
Posted: 09-01-06 11:58am

stillherelosers wrote:

jenn_smithson wrote:

this concerns me because it seems like rich people are preying on poor young women to carry their pregnancies.

of course... Hand maidens tale anyone?

yup, that's what springs to mind when think about it...Scarey

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Posted: 09-02-06 20:56pm

moo wrote:

i am against euthanasia.

I am also against ivf and surrogacy. I feel if you can't have children...Then there are many children out there who need adopted.

I will take the life issues questions a bit further. I am also against capital punishment and war. I feel there is always a way to handle a situation where someone "doesn't" have to die.

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Posted: 09-04-06 19:16pm

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trina1 wrote:

i feel if you can't have children...Then there are many children out there who need adopted.

i'm against women that can't give birth to healthy children being allowed to reproduce... I guess when you are the one editing society over, it is ok, huh?

you do realise that you've both said the same thing, right? Both of you feel that adoption should come before ivf or surrogacy.

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Posted: 09-04-06 19:43pm

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eiri wrote:

you do realise that you've both said the same thing, right?

really? Where did I state that, stupid?

"i'm against women that can't give birth to healthy children being allowed to reproduce... I guess when you are the one editing society over, it is ok, huh?"

clearly you do not approve of ivf or surrogacy. Clearly, this means you want the people who cannot give birth, but who still want children, to adopt instead of try to reproduce. Adoption is not reproduction, it is parenting. Oh... Did you mean that you don't want the couples who can't give birth (straight infertile couples, or even homosexual couples) to never, ever be able to raise a child? Knowing, you that's probably what you meant.

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Posted: 09-04-06 19:46pm

eiri wrote:

stillherelosers wrote:

eiri wrote:

you do realise that you've both said the same thing, right?

really? Where did I state that, stupid?

no....I said people that can't have children should adopt. She was saying people that can't have healthy children should not be allowed to reproduce. She was refering to my youngest son who is developmentally disabled.

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Posted: 09-04-06 19:54pm

trina1 wrote:

eiri wrote:

stillherelosers wrote:

eiri wrote:

you do realise that you've both said the same thing, right?

really? Where did I state that, stupid?

ah, well there was a suble insult to you that was contained within that, and as I do not know anything about your personal life (unlike a stalker I know of) I did not catch the reference.

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Posted: 09-04-06 19:54pm


By the way, I thought i'd mention that I have reinstated my "ignore stillhere" campaign.

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Posted: 09-04-06 20:09pm


Just so everyone knows, i'm posting the campaing info on multiple topics to make sure that everyone who would think of replying to her can see it. It'll only work if we cooperate ^_^