Abortion Pro Life Forum - the Most Hypocritical Oath Ever

Lmbfwao I see the brain dead pro aborts have to lurk for topics again

eiri wrote:

here is a copy of the original hippocratic oath, from ancient greece. Remember of course that the ancient greek society was patriarchal and that women in this society were considered nothing more that servants and baby machines, meant only to produce male offspring. As such, obviously abortions were out of the question: what if it was a male? She's just a house appliance anyway! Here are two very different versions of the original hippocratic oath:

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"(wikipedia) http://en.Wikipedi a.Org/wiki/hippocratic_oath
(original, translated from greek.)
i swear by Æsculapius, hygeia, and panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgement, the following oath.

To consider dear to me as my parents him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and if necessary to share my goods with him; to look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art if they so desire without fee or written promise; to impart to my sons and the sons of the master who taught me and the disciples who have enrolled themselves and have agreed to the rules of the profession, but to these alone the precepts and the instruction.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death.

nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.

but I will preserve the purity of my life and my art.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.

all that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot."

i highlighted the part that pro-life is fawning over. I also higlighted a line that further enforces the male-hierarchy. Definately not a good time to be a woman, to say the least. Not only could she not get a legal abortion; but he was often not allowed to leave the house!

The line about seduction by men or women seems odd to a modern person... But once again, it is s sign of the times that this oath was written in; and shows yet again its inaccuracy for the modern times.

Here is a second version:

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hippocratic oath -- classical version (nova online) http:// www.Pbs.Org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_classic al.Html

i swear by apollo physician and asclepius and hygieia and panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

to hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.

I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. in purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

now, here is a "modern" version. There are so many circulating that it's not even funny. Notice a distinct lack of specific lines...

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hippocratic oath—modern version (nova) http://www .Pbs.Org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.Htm l

i swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

i will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "i know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. above all, I must not play at god.

i will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

even this version is outdated; as it mentions god, and many doctors these days are agnostic or atheist. Religion has no place in science. However, I highlight that line because i'm sure it will be abused by pro-life.

Notice, nothing about passing knowledge to sons, and nothing about not giving women abortions? This is the most current version used... And even this hasn't been widely accepted since 1970 in the .U.S.A.

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in the 1970s cultural and social forces induced many american medical schools to abandon the hippocratic oath as part of graduation ceremonies, usually substituting a version modified to something considered more politically up to date, or an alternate pledge like the oath or prayer of maimonides.

The hippocratic oath has been updated by the declaration of geneva. In the united kingdom, the general medical council provides clear modern guidance in the form of its 'duties of a doctor' and 'good medical practice' statements.

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