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It Is Not Human Posted: 10-02-06 11:27am
New humans develop viviparously from
conception. An egg is usually
fertilized inside the female by sperm from
the male through sexual intercourse,
though the recent technology of in vitro
fertilization is also occasionally used.
The fertilized egg, called a zygote,
divides inside the female's uterus to
become an embryo, which over a period of
thirty-eight weeks becomes a human fetus.
At birth, the fully-grown fetus is
expelled from the female's body and
breathes independently as an infant for
the first time.
"basically alot of us are right" it is
alive but it is not a human till birth
before than it is called embryo/fetus!
People constantly try to fight this and I
said I would post it eventually, I have
kids so dont call me pro-abort, now the
issue is I know you wont take this but hey
this dictionary/medical terms.
.Dr took an oath not to kill a human and
try everything to save that human but in a
scientific book of medicin a fetus doesn
not have the same charactheristic as a
human and therefore why it is not called
human before hand.
I am pro-choice I dont like suggesting
abortion but im sick of people spreading
lies so im spreading the .T.R.U.T.H
if anyone does not believe this first off
read a medical book
second
or go to
http://en.Wikipedia.Org/
or look it up in merriam webster
dictionary
sorry if I offended anyone but hey for you
religious fundies god wants people to
promote the truth so suck on this one for
awhile!
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Posted: 10-02-06 12:45pm
Of course it is a human it may not be a
human being yet but it certianly isn't any
thing but human
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Re: It Is Not Human Posted: 10-02-06 12:50pm
diamondsz
wrote:
new humans develop
viviparously from conception. An egg
is usually fertilized inside the female by
sperm from the male through sexual
intercourse, though the recent technology
of in vitro fertilization is also
occasionally used. The fertilized egg,
called a zygote, divides inside the
female's uterus to become an embryo, which
over a period of thirty-eight weeks
becomes a human fetus. At birth, the
fully-grown fetus is expelled from the
female's body and breathes independently
as an infant for the first time.
"basically alot of us are right" it is
alive but it is not a human till birth
before than it is called embryo/fetus!
People constantly try to fight this and I
said I would post it eventually, I have
kids so dont call me pro-abort, now the
issue is I know you wont take this but hey
this dictionary/medical terms.
.Dr took an oath not to kill a human and
try everything to save that human but in a
scientific book of medicin a fetus doesn
not have the same charactheristic as a
human and therefore why it is not called
human before hand.
I am pro-choice I dont like suggesting
abortion but im sick of people spreading
lies so im spreading the .T.R.U.T.H
if anyone does not believe this first off
read a medical book
second
or go to
http://en.Wikipedia.Org/
or look it up in merriam webster
dictionary
sorry if I offended anyone but hey for you
religious fundies god wants people to
promote the truth so suck on this one for
awhile!
so what is it a cat fetus, or a dog fetus,
no it is a freaking human fetus therefore
it is human.Please show me a medical book
that asserts that a fetus is not human
untill it is born.Diamondsplinter I agree
I am sick of them trying to say it is
something other than human.Even steen
admitted that it was human not a human in
the technical sense of the word but human
nonetheless.
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Posted: 10-02-06 12:57pm
A z/e/f is human, it's not a baby or a
person but it is definately human - what
other species would it be??
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 10-02-06 13:03pm
diamondsz
wrote:
dani_robin
wrote:
i'm a pro-lifer, and I don't start health
questioning until pro-choicers [or anybody
else for that matter] starts making dumb
comments like "potential human life" and
"it's not actually human." it's human dna,
regardless of the stage of development.
Saying stuff like "potential" and "not
actually human" makes it sound like the
person saying it is suggesting that the
child is the product of beastility or
xenophilia.
.
i have to disgaree with you, on the human
thing
a fetus (or foetus, or fœtus – see
below) is a developing mammal after the
embryonic stage and before birth. The
plural is fetuses or very rarely, foeti.
In humans, a fetus develops from the end
of the eighth week of pregnancy, when the
major structures and organ systems have
formed, until birth. Fetus, in latin,
literally means "filled with young,
pregnant, breeding, with young" as well as
"bringing forth, bearing, hatching,
producing."
****.Embryo
in organisms that reproduce sexually, once
a sperm fertilizes an egg cell, the result
is a cell called the zygote that has all
the dna of two parents. In plants,
animals, and some protists, the zygote
will begin to divide by mitosis to produce
a multicellular organism. The term
embryo refers to the early stages of this
development, after the zygote has divided
at least once, but before the process has
completed to produce the next stage of
development.
***infant
infant is a formal term for the word baby,
the youngest category of a child. The
term "infant" derives from the latin word
in-fans, meaning "unable to speak." there
is no exact definition for infancy.
Quite often babies are called infants
until they reach the age of one.
However, babies are traditionally called
"toddlers" when they start to walk whether
or not they have reached their first
birthday. Daycares with an "infant room"
providing care will call all their
children in the infant room "infants" even
if they are older than a year and/or
walking; they will sometimes use the term
"walking infant".
Child
a child (plural: children).Precise
definitions vary; is the offspring, of any
age, of two people. The american
heritage dictionary[1] defined a child as
an individual who has not yet reached
puberty
.Adult
the term adult describes any mature
organism, but normally it refers to a
human: one that is no longer a child /
minor and is now either a man or a woman.
Coming of age is the event of becoming an
adult, i.E. Of entering adulthood.
Historically, adulthood has been
determined by puberty, which is physical
or biological adulthood; passing a series
of tests to demonstrate the child is
prepared for adulthood; or reaching a
specified age, sometimes in conjunction
with demonstrating preparation. Most
modern societies determine legal adulthood
based on reaching a legally-specified age
without requiring a demonstration of
physical maturity or preparation for
adulthood
not a single sentence in there to say that
it is not human, infact it makes
distinction between different types of
fetus.
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Posted: 10-02-06 15:06pm
cowboys
wrote:
diamondsz
wrote:
dani_robin
wrote:
i'm a pro-lifer, and I don't start health
questioning until pro-choicers [or anybody
else for that matter] starts making dumb
comments like "potential human life" and
"it's not actually human." it's human dna,
regardless of the stage of development.
Saying stuff like "potential" and "not
actually human" makes it sound like the
person saying it is suggesting that the
child is the product of beastility or
xenophilia.
.
i have to disgaree with you, on the human
thing
a fetus (or foetus, or fœtus – see
below) is a developing mammal after the
embryonic stage and before birth. The
plural is fetuses or very rarely, foeti.
In humans, a fetus develops from the end
of the eighth week of pregnancy, when the
major structures and organ systems have
formed, until birth. Fetus, in latin,
literally means "filled with young,
pregnant, breeding, with young" as well as
"bringing forth, bearing, hatching,
producing."
****.Embryo
in organisms that reproduce sexually, once
a sperm fertilizes an egg cell, the result
is a cell called the zygote that has all
the dna of two parents. In plants,
animals, and some protists, the zygote
will begin to divide by mitosis to produce
a multicellular organism. The term
embryo refers to the early stages of this
development, after the zygote has divided
at least once, but before the process has
completed to produce the next stage of
development.
***infant
infant is a formal term for the word baby,
the youngest category of a child. The
term "infant" derives from the latin word
in-fans, meaning "unable to speak." there
is no exact definition for infancy.
Quite often babies are called infants
until they reach the age of one.
However, babies are traditionally called
"toddlers" when they start to walk whether
or not they have reached their first
birthday. Daycares with an "infant
room" providing care will call all their
children in the infant room "infants" even
if they are older than a year and/or
walking; they will sometimes use the term
"walking infant".
Child
a child (plural: children).Precise
definitions vary; is the offspring, of any
age, of two people. The american
heritage dictionary[1] defined a child as
an individual who has not yet reached
puberty
.Adult
the term adult describes any mature
organism, but normally it refers to a
human: one that is no longer a child /
minor and is now either a man or a woman.
Coming of age is the event of becoming
an adult, i.E. Of entering adulthood.
Historically, adulthood has been
determined by puberty, which is physical
or biological adulthood; passing a series
of tests to demonstrate the child is
prepared for adulthood; or reaching a
specified age, sometimes in conjunction
with demonstrating preparation. Most
modern societies determine legal adulthood
based on reaching a legally-specified age
without requiring a demonstration of
physical maturity or preparation for
adulthood
not a single sentence in there to say that
it is not human, infact it makes
distinction between different types of
fetus.
a human is when it is born, then it
becomes a human infant until then it has
the makeup of a human but they say it tis
not a person, ask a doctor is you dont
like my response
Just to clarify diamondz, a fetus is
technically a human. It is not a p e r s
o n, but it .I.S human. This is the
stupidest post you could have possibly
made.
And this comes from a pro choice
website:
"is a fetus a human being because it has a
complete set of human dna?
A fetus is human, in the sense that it
contains human dna; however, a fetus, like
an embryo, is not a human being, as it has
no means of independent physiological
existence (as does a baby, child, or
adult). As such, it is a potential human
being, just like an acorn is a potential
oak tree. It contains all of the dna of
an oak tree, but it is not an oak tree
(see also leonard peikoff on abortion:
real audio).
Is a fetus a human being because it has a
complete set of human dna?
A fetus is a potential human being, and
not an actual individual, because it does
not have physiological independence
outside its host—the pregnant woman.
(toward the end of a woman's pregnancy, a
fetus does have the physiological means to
live independently outside its host, the
pregnant women, which makes the birth of a
healthy child possible, though it remains
physically dependent until birth. At
birth the fetus becomes a physically
independent baby/child.)"
It is not a person, or as some
others are defining it, "human being".
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 10-03-06 01:45am
diamondsz
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
diamondsz
wrote:
dani_robin
wrote:
i'm a pro-lifer, and I don't start health
questioning until pro-choicers [or anybody
else for that matter] starts making dumb
comments like "potential human life" and
"it's not actually human." it's human dna,
regardless of the stage of development.
Saying stuff like "potential" and "not
actually human" makes it sound like the
person saying it is suggesting that the
child is the product of beastility or
xenophilia.
.
i have to disgaree with you, on the human
thing
a fetus (or foetus, or fœtus – see
below) is a developing mammal after the
embryonic stage and before birth. The
plural is fetuses or very rarely, foeti.
In humans, a fetus develops from the end
of the eighth week of pregnancy, when the
major structures and organ systems have
formed, until birth. Fetus, in latin,
literally means "filled with young,
pregnant, breeding, with young" as well as
"bringing forth, bearing, hatching,
producing."
****.Embryo
in organisms that reproduce sexually, once
a sperm fertilizes an egg cell, the result
is a cell called the zygote that has all
the dna of two parents. In plants,
animals, and some protists, the zygote
will begin to divide by mitosis to produce
a multicellular organism. The term
embryo refers to the early stages of this
development, after the zygote has divided
at least once, but before the process has
completed to produce the next stage of
development.
***infant
infant is a formal term for the word baby,
the youngest category of a child. The
term "infant" derives from the latin word
in-fans, meaning "unable to speak." there
is no exact definition for infancy.
Quite often babies are called infants
until they reach the age of one.
However, babies are traditionally called
"toddlers" when they start to walk whether
or not they have reached their first
birthday. Daycares with an "infant
room" providing care will call all their
children in the infant room "infants" even
if they are older than a year and/or
walking; they will sometimes use the term
"walking infant".
Child
a child (plural: children).Precise
definitions vary; is the offspring, of any
age, of two people. The american
heritage dictionary[1] defined a child as
an individual who has not yet reached
puberty
.Adult
the term adult describes any mature
organism, but normally it refers to a
human: one that is no longer a child /
minor and is now either a man or a woman.
Coming of age is the event of becoming
an adult, i.E. Of entering adulthood.
Historically, adulthood has been
determined by puberty, which is physical
or biological adulthood; passing a series
of tests to demonstrate the child is
prepared for adulthood; or reaching a
specified age, sometimes in conjunction
with demonstrating preparation. Most
modern societies determine legal adulthood
based on reaching a legally-specified age
without requiring a demonstration of
physical maturity or preparation for
adulthood
not a single sentence in there to say that
it is not human, infact it makes
distinction between different types of
fetus.
a human is when it is born, then it
becomes a human infant until then it has
the makeup of a human but they say it tis
not a person, ask a doctor is you dont
like my
response
there is a difference between human and a
person, what is it if not human please
enlitghen me.There is also a difference
between being human and being a human,a
fetus is human it is human but it is not a
human, that is where your argument fails.
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Alright.... Look.
"human" is another word - the "street
word", shall we say? - for the species
name homo sapien. Just like "dog" is the
street name for canine, "cat" for feline,
etc.
A fetus inside a woman's body is a human
fetus. Period. It is a homo sapien.
However..
It is not in posession of a personality,
nor the apability to have one. At certain
stages, it cannot think. It can not feel
pain, fear, or even joy. Those are things
that make us people. If you don't have
that, you are not a person. Technically,
the thing that sets us apart from all
other species is self awareness... And
that doesn't actually happen until a baby
is several months old, sometimes a year
old.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 10-03-06 14:10pm
stillherelosers
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
there is a difference
between human and a
person
fucking moron... A
human is a species and person is a legal
definition.
so there is the difference learn to read
before you show yourself up again.
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Posted: 10-03-06 14:45pm
Someone please control stillhere or i'm
going to demand that the current mods and
admins of this abortion debate forum be
banned along with her! This is just
beyond disrespectful. Jesus.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 10-03-06 15:08pm
stillherelosers
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
so there is the difference
learn to read before you show yourself up
again.
cowboys
wrote:
there is a difference
between human and a person, what is it if
not human please enlitghen me.There is
also a difference between being human and
being a human,a fetus is human it is human
but it is not a human, that is where your
argument
fails.
did you write this or was it your daughter
while you were fucking
her?
how about you quote the whole post or try
reading the whole post before you try and
twist what is written, ps your insults are
lame and childish.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 10-03-06 15:11pm
eiri
wrote:
someone please control
stillhere or i'm going to demand that the
current mods and admins of this abortion
debate forum be banned along with her!
This is just beyond disrespectful.
Jesus.
this is what she has been like all the
time she should be banned permanantly
everytime she registers she should be
banned instantly.She has got so monotonous
now it don't bother me, just shows how
twisted she is and one day she will learn
to debate rather than insult.
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Posted: 10-03-06 19:30pm
eiri
wrote:
alright.... Look.
"human" is another word - the "street
word", shall we say? - for the species
name homo sapien. Just like "dog" is the
street name for canine, "cat" for feline,
etc.
A fetus inside a woman's body is a human
fetus. Period. It is a homo sapien.
However..
It is not in posession of a personality,
nor the apability to have one. At
certain stages, it cannot think. It can
not feel pain, fear, or even joy. Those
are things that make us people. If you
don't have that, you are not a person.
Technically, the thing that sets us apart
from all other species is self
awareness... And that doesn't actually
happen until a baby is several months old,
sometimes a year
old.
thank you, you just phrased it all for me,
yeah it is a human a human fetus but it is
not a full human as it is missing certain
charactheristics to be considered a person
by law meaning that it is alive and
outside the mothers womb.
It is not a human being but a human fetus
completly different than what some of you
deem it to be!!!!!!
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Posted: 10-03-06 19:56pm
diamondsz
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
alright.... Look.
"human" is another word - the "street
word", shall we say? - for the species
name homo sapien. Just like "dog" is
the street name for canine, "cat" for
feline, etc.
A fetus inside a woman's body is a human
fetus. Period. It is a homo sapien.
However..
It is not in posession of a personality,
nor the apability to have one. At
certain stages, it cannot think. It can
not feel pain, fear, or even joy. Those
are things that make us people. If you
don't have that, you are not a person.
Technically, the thing that sets us apart
from all other species is self
awareness... And that doesn't actually
happen until a baby is several months old,
sometimes a year
old.
thank you, you just phrased it all for me,
yeah it is a human a human fetus but it is
not a full human as it is missing certain
charactheristics to be considered a person
by law meaning that it is alive and
outside the mothers womb.
It is not a human being but a human fetus
completly different than what some of you
deem it to
be!!!!!!
so because it is a human fetus I am
suppose t think it is not valuable? We
pro-lifer are very aware of the
development of the fetus and what is
capable or not to do. The point is that
fetus is a potential person with a unique
set of genes that happens only once in
lifetime. We don't care whether his/her
limbs are developed or not at x or y
weeks. We don't care if the senses are
developed at x or y months. We care it is
a potential human being do you understand?
We care a fetus is valuable and deserves
to live whether or not his limbs and
senses or personality is developed at any
week.
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Posted: 10-03-06 21:14pm
stillherevirgin
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
we care it is a potential
human being do you
understand?
yes... Potential has more rights than
existing women because anti choicers are
anti woman.
not more rights, just equal rights to
life.
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Posted: 10-04-06 01:38am
nightangel73
wrote:
not more rights, just equal rights to
life.
.But how can that ever work? If the
unborn child has equal rights with the
woman, then who gets priority if the woman
wants an abortion? I totally understand
your point of view but I just don't think
it can be realistically implemented.
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Posted: 10-04-06 02:06am
purestgreen
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
not more rights, just equal rights to
life.
.But how can that ever work? If the
unborn child has equal rights with the
woman, then who gets priority if the woman
wants an abortion? I totally understand
your point of view but I just don't think
it can be realistically
implemented.
precicelsy, it just doesn't work in
reality so, therefore, the person has the
rights.
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Posted: 10-04-06 20:49pm
stillherelosers
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
not more rights, just equal
rights to
life.
can't give equal rights over one body to
two different entities,
edit
exactly a person has rights a potential
human not a person yet doesnt have the
same rights. I understand your beliefs
but to force a woman to have a kid is
wrong especially when her life is at risk.
Yes I know some of you prolife belief in
a woman rights when it comes to
life-threatening sitiuations!!
