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Question to the Pro-lifers Posted: 10-03-06 15:13pm


I really don't know where I stand in the abortion debate because I don't think I could ever have an abortion myself and really don't like the fact that abortion is so commonplace and yet I don't feel comfortable with removing a woman's right to determine what happens to her own body. I am aware of the pro-choice beliefs with regard to abortion but I was wondering if some pro-lifers could help me out a bit here with their opinions on the following: if a woman really does not want to continue with her pregnancy, what do you propose should happen? what do pro-lifers really want? Do you want abortion criminalised? I would really appreciate your feedback on this and pro-choicers are welcome to contribute with their opinions too. Please keep it nice though everyone!

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Re: Question to the Pro-lifers
Posted: 10-03-06 15:22pm

purestgreen wrote:

i really don't know where I stand in the abortion debate because I don't think I could ever have an abortion myself and really don't like the fact that abortion is so commonplace and yet I don't feel comfortable with removing a woman's right to determine what happens to her own body.

I am aware of the pro-choice beliefs with regard to abortion but I was wondering if some pro-lifers could help me out a bit here with their opinions on the following:

*if a woman really does not want to continue with her pregnancy, what do you propose should happen?

*what do pro-lifers really want? Do you want abortion criminalised?

I would really appreciate your feedback on this and pro-choicers are welcome to contribute with their opinions too.

Please keep it nice though everyone! Wink

i too am like you, to be honest making the need for abortion unnecessary is more realistic than making it illegal, if a woman wants to end the pregnancy really end it then it would be much better for her to have an abortion than try to do it herself.

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Re: Question to the Pro-lifers
Posted: 10-03-06 15:29pm

cowboys wrote:

... To be honest making the need for abortion unnecessary is more realistic than making it illegal.

thank you. How would you propose that aim is achieved?

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Re: Question to the Pro-lifers
Posted: 10-03-06 15:57pm

purestgreen wrote:

cowboys wrote:

... To be honest making the need for abortion unnecessary is more realistic than making it illegal.

thank you. How would you propose that aim is achieved?

sex education seperation of church from schools, better contraception better ammenities for those in situations they cannot control, it will always be neccersary to have abortion for medical reasons such has life of mother.

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Re: Question to the Pro-lifers
Posted: 10-03-06 19:08pm

purestgreen wrote:

as a christian pro-lifer we are not interesed in criminalizing for abortion, nor that there are new laws against abortion, what we want is god to change the hearts of people so there are no more abortions.

Better sex education, free birth control and programs to help young students would be good things I would like the government to do.

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Posted: 10-03-06 23:35pm


As pro-choice, if a woman truly doesn't want a child or be pregnant then she should abort. If she just doesn't want the child but doesn't mind being pregnant, perhaps adoption is the best choice for her... But it is a case-by-case desicion.

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Posted: 10-04-06 09:24am


How about the pro-life demonstrations outside abortion clinics - are they a good tactic to deter women from having abortions? I have to say I don't think these pro-life rallies are very common in the .U.K, it seems to be more of an .American phenomenon. Not sure why.

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Re: Question to the Pro-lifers
Posted: 10-04-06 19:12pm

nightangel73 wrote:

purestgreen wrote:

purestgreen, although I am prochoice, I want the reasons women have abortions to be addressed. Simply outlawing abortion isn't going to magically better the lives of women who would seek out abortions if they could. Or their children. Or change their circumstances. We have to address each and every individual reason with some kind of realistic solution. This is what we ought to be doing regardless of the abortion issue.

Finances: many, many women have abortions for financial reasons. How can (in the state of oh) the gov't pay foster parents $1500 a month to take in a child, but cannot give an impoverished mother a penny to help her take care of her own children?

Education: I think this boils down to a child care issue. Who will watch the child while mom is in school? As far as university goes, we pay so goshdarned much for education there should be some provision for parents of small children to have child care available, cheap or free. This is ultimately in everyone's interest anyways; mom goes to school, gets a better job, child is better off, no state assistance, voila. As far as high school goes, this is tricky. I'm pretty sure that many of you would agree with me as far as teens having babies. They shouldn't. They aren't emotionally or physically capable. However, that doesn't mean that they don't have babies anyways. So...Child care in high school may help the parent finish school and again, have a higher standard of living than a non-graduate.

Health care: the entire system needs reworked. Moms to be, in the interest of the children, need health care for free. Again, the state of ohio has millions to spend on building sports stadiums but millions of people in the state have no health insurance?

Father/family/society unsupportive: this is where you come in, nightangel. I hope you are praying to change the hearts of everyone; including those that stigmatize single mother, poor people, and ultimately, their innocent children. There is no denying that the "church" (i use it in it's generic) has a major portion of responsibility in shaping the views of society. Church views on single motherhood, premarital sex, untraditional families are very negative. As a result, not only do people feel ostracized from their communities when they are a single mother/young mother/etc. But they have a lack of resources available to help them as well. We must remember that although we do not agree with the actions of the adults, the children will ultimately be victimized by this viewpoint and hey, i'm sure jesus wouldn't care for that.

Such a long post; I apologize. I just wanted to give you, purestgreen, my viewpoints. It's not all inclusive, of course. But I am getting annoyed at this forum-instead of banning abusive users who repeatedly don't follow rules topics get locked, and that's no way to run a productive forum. Cheers.

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Re: Question to the Pro-lifers
Posted: 10-04-06 19:29pm

birch wrote:

there is no denying that the "church" (i use it in it's generic) has a major portion of responsibility in shaping the views of society. Church views on single motherhood, premarital sex, untraditional families are very negative.

thank you, .Birch, for taking the time to respond.

I was particularly struck by this part because of a personal experience of mine. I used to have a friend who was a born again .Christian and she did not believe in sex before marriage. She found herself a lovely boyfriend and surprised the hell out of me one day by announcing she was pregnant. I was gobsmacked because she was so strong and firm in her beliefs but she had (obviously) slept with her boyfriend out of wedlock and, even though she took the morning after pill, ended up pregnant. When word got round her church that she was pregnant, she was basically ostracised. Even though she and her boyfriend got married, the church leaders wanted her and only her - not her husband - to stand up in the church in front of everybody and confess her sin. She refused and left the church.

I'm certainly not tarring all churches with the same brush; I think she was being used as a pawn in power games that were being played by the members of her church community at the time. However, it does illustrate the power that the church holds. Instead of understanding and forgiveness, all my friend received was judgement.