diamondsz
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This Is Project Rachel
Posted: 11-04-06 14:27pm
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This is what they have on their site for
abortion aftermath (its hilarious almost
brain washing)
i also called them under false pretenses
"almost the whole call was god will
forgive you child, just never forget that
baby"
.Pissed me off so they are making
woman/some feel remorseful
doesnt it look like half the stuff eugenia
has been posting??
Anyways quoting this from
http://www.Ho
peafterabortion.Com/hope.Cfm?Sel=c18l
while some women report relatively little
trauma following abortion, for many, the
experience is devastating, causing severe
and long-lasting emotional, psychological
and spiritual trauma.
Evidence of post-abortion trauma is
increasingly attested to by psychologists,
counselors and those involved in
post-abortion ministry. We now know, for
example, that women hurt by abortion may
have some or many of the following
symptoms:
* low self-esteem
* grief (mild to profound)
* depression (sometimes to the point
of suicidal thoughts and attempts)
* a sense of alienation from family
and friends
* a feeling of being 'numb,' not able
to feel joy from activities that used to
be pleasurable
* isolating self from others to avoid
discussing the abortion experience with
them
* guilt and shame
* difficulty concentrating
* anger toward self, or the child's
father, or others involved in the abortion
decision
* sleep disorders
* abortion-related nightmares,
flashbacks or even sounds of a baby
crying
* alcohol and drug problems, to dull
the sorrow
* desire for a 'replacement' baby
* anniversary reactions of grief or
depression on the date of the abortion or
the baby's expected due date
* problems bonding with her other
children (being over-protective but
emotionally distant)
* fear that god will punish her, or is
punishing her
some, especially young girls, experience
symptoms soon after the abortion.
Counselors tell us, however, that it is
more common for the symptoms to occur over
the course of five to twelve years after
the abortion before a woman seeks help.
Abortion's aftermath is largely ignored by
the general public. Groups organized to
protect the availability of abortion claim
that abortion is no different from any
surgical procedure and that pro-life
groups are fabricating the existence of
post-abortion suffering. Consequently,
many women think that their grief
reactions are somehow abnormal and believe
that there is nowhere to turn for help.
Many women who have walked a path of grief
and hopelessness after abortion, usually
alone, eventually begin to understand that
they have a deep spiritual wound. But
sadly, they also are likely to believe
that they have committed 'the unforgivable
sin' and fear god's anger.
Women who have had an abortion often have
many questions, the answers to which are
indispensable to beginning the healing
journey. Can god ever forgive me? Can my
child? Can I ever forgive myself? Will
the church let me stay when I confess this
sin? Will this horrible pain ever go
away? Is healing possible?
The answer to all these questions is, of
course, yes!
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Re: This Is Project Rachel
Posted: 11-04-06 17:01pm
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| diamondsz
wrote: | i also called them under
false pretenses
"almost the whole call was god will
forgive you child, just never forget that
baby"
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.I am in no way religious but I see
nothing wrong with a woman being told that
if she has rung them in genuine distress.
I would be angry if you'd said that
they'd told you that you were going to
hell and you were wicked and your baby was
crying for you or something.
No-one is forcing a woman to ring this
number! If she doesn't like what she
hears then she can hang up and say to
herself 'bloody catholic nonsense' but if
she draws comfort from believing that she
is forgiven and can therefore forgive
herself (because she obviously believes
that she needs forgiveness) then what is
wrong with that?
Not everyone can have an abortion and just
carry on and forget about it and not
everyone who regrets their abortion has
pre-existing mental problems! For
whatever reason, if a woman is feeling
guilty for her abortion and she can find
comfort from somewhere and move on with
her life then I think that is no bad
thing.
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Posted: 11-04-06 18:34pm
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I hate hearing women whine about how they
aborted their babies...Um, no ladies. You
aborted a fetus, not a baby. Aborting a
baby would be illegal and you probably
would be in prison on counts of homicide
or assault if you aborted an actual baby.
But I suppose saying they aborted their
baby is more sugar-coated than saying they
aborted their fetus. Gotta love how these
women use personification of their
fetuses.
Sometimes I think women will claim regret
for 'killing their babies' to elicit
sympathy and attention. If you say you
aborted a fetus, some people probably
wouldn't turn their heads. However, if
you said you killed your baby, everyone
would look at you. Even if it's negative
attention, sometimes I think it's what
these women want.
I suppose I just don't understand why some
women grieve their abortions for years and
years. In most cases, the woman can have
another child, so why is that terminated
fetus so blasted important? Why do people
choose to live so much in the past and
refuse to look to the future? I know
abortions aren't pleasant experiences and
I can imagine feeling a little upset over
the actual procedure - but grieving for a
fetus? That would be like grieving over
your appendix if you had it removed.
Whatever.
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Posted: 11-04-06 18:53pm
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| cambion
wrote: | | ... But grieving for a
fetus? That would be like grieving over
your appendix if you had it removed.
Whatever. |
.For you it would be like that.
You are not representative of all women
and have no right to judge those that
grieve over their abortions just as no-one
has the right to judge you for thinking
you wouldn't grieve.
Also, the reason a woman may grieve over
an abortion and not just think 'oh i'll
have another baby one day, so what?' is
because she knows she can never have that
particular baby back. It may have been a
tiny embryo when it was aborted but it was
a unique human being in the making and no
other future child will replace that.
There are attention seekers everywhere but
post abortion syndrome is as real as post
natal depression and the sufferer should
be treated with compassion.
Ever done something you regret? If not
then you are a rarity.
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Posted: 11-04-06 20:28pm
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| cambion
wrote: | i hate hearing women whine
about how they aborted their babies...Um,
no ladies. You aborted a fetus, not a
baby. Aborting a baby would be illegal
and you probably would be in prison on
counts of homicide or assault if you
aborted an actual baby. But I suppose
saying they aborted their baby is more
sugar-coated than saying they aborted
their fetus. Gotta love how these women
use personification of their fetuses.
Sometimes I think women will claim regret
for 'killing their babies' to elicit
sympathy and attention. If you say you
aborted a fetus, some people probably
wouldn't turn their heads. However, if
you said you killed your baby, everyone
would look at you. Even if it's negative
attention, sometimes I think it's what
these women want.
I suppose I just don't understand why some
women grieve their abortions for years and
years. In most cases, the woman can have
another child, so why is that terminated
fetus so blasted important? Why do
people choose to live so much in the past
and refuse to look to the future? I know
abortions aren't pleasant experiences and
I can imagine feeling a little upset over
the actual procedure - but grieving for a
fetus? That would be like grieving over
your appendix if you had it removed.
Whatever. |
so you think these women have no right to
grieve? i
agree with everything purest green has
said. These women are not required
to call this number. If they need help in
one way or another are not entitled to it?
Diamondsz--why in the world would you call
them? That's like a 12 year old pulling a
prank and is very childish. You don't
agree with what they have to say? Don't
call them. The women that call have
probably researched and understand the
program....The woman is probably already
remorseful that is why she is calling.
No one can make you feel guilty or
remorseful unless you let them. If they
honestly don't regret an abortion I highly
doubt they would call this number. If
they do call then they probably already
feel some sort of regret and need help
with that. Is that such a bad thing? Or
should these women not be offered help?
Maybe they should just be left to
suffer...I'm sure pro-choice (claiming to
be pro-woman) would be all for letting
them suffer huh?
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diamondsz
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Posted: 11-04-06 20:30pm
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Yeah but asking god/ a baby for
forgiveness is caca its not a baby and
when people recognize it for what it is I
will be happy!
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Posted: 11-04-06 23:42pm
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| diamondsz
wrote: | | yeah but asking god/ a baby
for forgiveness is caca its not a baby and
when people recognize it for what it is I
will be happy! |
we all know that baby is a term of
endearment. Never once during my
pregnancy did I say "wonder how my fetus
is today"....They recognize what it is but
they choose to call it whatever they want.
Why is that such a problem?
I've talked to women before and they say
"why did I kill my baby?" because in their
eyes to them it was their baby even though
medically speaking it is termed a fetus.
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Posted: 11-05-06 02:04am
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| paganangel
wrote: | | diamondsz
wrote: | | yeah but asking god/ a baby
for forgiveness is caca its not a baby and
when people recognize it for what it is I
will be happy! |
we all know that baby is a term of
endearment. Never once during my
pregnancy did I say "wonder how my fetus
is today"....They recognize what it is but
they choose to call it whatever they want.
Why is that such a problem?
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absolutely! If it is a 'baby' to the
individual woman and the term has
significance to her then who are you to
tell her 'oh don't be silly, it's a
foetus, not a baby'? Somehow, I don't
think using the accurate medical term will
help her feel any better - only caring
support will do that.
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Posted: 11-05-06 09:33am
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Correct hence that's why there are 'baby
showers' and not 'fetus showers' diamond
have you ever heard of 'fetus showers'?
For every pregnant woman I see I ask them
how's your baby doing? And they all say
me 'my baby is doing fine' nobody has ever
said me 'my fetus is doing fine'.
Diamond the reason people use the term of
endearment 'baby' to the fetus is because
the fetus looks like a baby! The fetus
doesn't look like a tiger or a lion, it
looks like a baby!! You should not be
bothered for people using terms of
endearment. If it bothers you is because
you definetly feel guilt. See since I
have never had an abortion it doesn't
bother me.
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Posted: 11-05-06 21:31pm
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | correct hence that's why
there are 'baby showers' and not 'fetus
showers' diamond have you ever heard of
'fetus showers'? |
the usa is one of few nations in the world
where "baby" showers are held before a
baby is born. It is actually considered
bad luck in many nations/religions.
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Posted: 11-06-06 08:40am
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| justgottaloveit
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | correct hence that's why
there are 'baby showers' and not 'fetus
showers' diamond have you ever heard of
'fetus showers'? |
the usa is one of few nations in the world
where "baby" showers are held before a
baby is born. It is actually considered
bad luck in many
nations/religions. |
that is very true, both our cultures are
like that!!!
Maybe we should call them fetus showers it
actually has a nice ring to it
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Re: This Is Project Rachel
Posted: 11-06-06 09:02am
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| purestgreen
wrote: | .I am in no way religious
but I see nothing wrong with a woman being
told that if she has rung them in genuine
distress. I would be angry if you'd
said that they'd told you that you were
going to hell and you were wicked and your
baby was crying for you or something.
No-one is forcing a woman to ring this
number! If she doesn't like what she
hears then she can hang up and say to
herself 'bloody catholic nonsense' but if
she draws comfort from believing that she
is forgiven and can therefore forgive
herself (because she obviously believes
that she needs forgiveness) then what is
wrong with that? |
it would really piss me off  If
I called someone in genuine distress and
all they could do was preach at me i'd be
well and truly racked off.
I don't force my religious beliefs on
others and I don't expect to have someone
else slap me with theirs.
Yes I could hang up but the damage is
already done.
People should be able to ring help lines
and be helped by fact not religious
panderings.
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Re: This Is Project Rachel
Posted: 11-06-06 10:59am
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| kia_breizzze
wrote: | | purestgreen
wrote: | .I am in no way religious
but I see nothing wrong with a woman being
told that if she has rung them in genuine
distress. I would be angry if you'd
said that they'd told you that you were
going to hell and you were wicked and your
baby was crying for you or something.
No-one is forcing a woman to ring this
number! If she doesn't like what she
hears then she can hang up and say to
herself 'bloody catholic nonsense' but if
she draws comfort from believing that she
is forgiven and can therefore forgive
herself (because she obviously believes
that she needs forgiveness) then what is
wrong with that? |
it would really piss me off If
I called someone in genuine distress and
all they could do was preach at me i'd be
well and truly racked off.
I don't force my religious beliefs on
others and I don't expect to have someone
else slap me with theirs.
Yes I could hang up but the damage is
already done.
People should be able to ring help lines
and be helped by fact not religious
panderings. |
then don't ring a helpline for .Catholics!
their website is very clear!
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Re: This Is Project Rachel
Posted: 11-06-06 11:02am
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| purestgreen
wrote: | | then don't ring a helpline
for .Catholics!
their website is very
clear! |
haha I didn't even go to the site I was
just replying to the first post.
But yeah - I wouldn't so it's all good.
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Posted: 11-06-06 11:07am
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Sorry kia - didn't mean to snap your head
off there 
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Posted: 11-06-06 11:47am
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| purestgreen
wrote: | | sorry kia - didn't mean to
snap your head off there |
you didn't  or at least I
didn't feel it 
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Posted: 11-07-06 09:23am
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| justgottaloveit
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | correct hence that's why
there are 'baby showers' and not 'fetus
showers' diamond have you ever heard of
'fetus showers'? |
the usa is one of few nations in the world
where "baby" showers are held before a
baby is born. It is actually considered
bad luck in many
nations/religions. |
nice try pc
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Posted: 11-07-06 10:31am
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| tazzy d
wrote: | | justgottaloveit
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | correct hence that's why
there are 'baby showers' and not 'fetus
showers' diamond have you ever heard of
'fetus showers'? |
the usa is one of few nations in the world
where "baby" showers are held before a
baby is born. It is actually
considered bad luck in many
nations/religions. |
nice try pc |
tazzy I dont know if your trying to
conteplate this but its actually true,
italian and filipinos view that the same
way and I can mention a few other cultures
who do too its a superstitious thing but
actually has truth to it!
In our family they will still have a
shower but we wait until the 9th month
just to be sure as we had a shower for a
family member who ended up with a still
birth!
Could you imagine staring at baby stuff
after a loss thats pretty harsh!
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Posted: 11-07-06 11:04am
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| diamondsz
wrote: | | could you imagine staring at
baby stuff after a loss thats pretty
harsh! |
yes, I can and yes, it is.
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Posted: 11-07-06 11:31am
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| kia_breizzze
wrote: | | diamondsz
wrote: | | could you imagine staring at
baby stuff after a loss thats pretty
harsh! |
yes, I can and yes, it
is. |
kia didnt mean to offend you <sorry>
if any offense was taken!
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