this is where you can buy the abortion
pill, it is best to use both pills
together.
If you are going to use cytotec, she needs
to use 800mg vaginally. Wash her hands
before using them. She will gush blood,
she will bleed a lot, a lot!!!!!
Look for the pregnancy "baby", that way
you know it
worked.
fda is advises that ru-486 (also known as
abortion pill) should not be taken if one
of the following apply:
Quote:
it has been more
than 49 days ... Since your last
menstrual period began.
You have an iud. It must be taken out.
...
Your provider has told you that you have a
pregnancy outside the uterus (ectopic
pregnancy).
You have problems with your adrenal glands
(chronic adrenal failure).
You take a medicine to thin your blood.
You have a bleeding problem.
You take certain steroid medications.
You cannot return for the next 2 visits
you cannot easily get emergency medical
help in the 2 weeks after you take ru-486.
You are allergic to mifepristone [ru-486],
misoprostol, or medicines that contain
misoprostol such as cytotec or
arthrotec.
neither of the above described factors
were known about blue_chevy's friend and
it is truly disturbing such an advise can
be given, don't you think? My heart sank
when I read that thread. It is people's
lifes that are at stake! Even abortion
providers in usa will not administer this
drug without supervision, ar at least
accodring to fda they should not.
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 11-09-06 19:43pm
....Excuse me.
She gave him advice on how to safely use
the pills he had already obtained since it was
obvious they were going to try it
regardless. Would you rather .Carifairy
had said nothing and this woman had done
it incorrectly?
You're ignoring the fact that *many* of us
advised blue_chevy against doing this
without a doctor.
What would you have .Carifairy do?
Honestly?
***edited for a spelling error, and to add
the following***
.You act as though we pushed abortion on
this person. That is not the case.
Please read back over the threads and take
them in context.
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EugeniaBrown
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 94
Posted: 11-09-06 20:00pm
ayamiyaki
wrote:
....Excuse me.
She gave him advice on how to safely use
the pills he had already obtained since it was
obvious they were going to try it
regardless. Would you rather .Carifairy
had said nothing and this woman had done
it incorrectly?
You're ignoring the fact that *many* of us
advised blue_chevy against doing this
without a doctor.
What would you have .Carifairy do?
Honestly?
***edited for a spelling error, and to add
the following***
.You act as though we pushed abortion on
this person. That is not the case.
Please read back over the threads and take
them in
context.
as long as she could not find a medical
supervision I would discourage her from
attempting to use the drug (which many of
you did). But discouraging along with
posting a website where she can buy the
drug is some what hypocritical, in my
opinion.
The administration of this drug requires
follow up visits and close medical
supervision. Administering this drug
privately is like using a coat hanger....
I thought that pro-choicers are against
going back to those times again. What
about consistency?
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 11-09-06 20:08pm
blue_chevy
wrote:
from what I read in previous
topics of cytotec, looks like it'll gonna
work, one of the topic that said that the
gf loose a blood cloth and even the
tissue, it's enough to make me confident.
My gf is just about 4 weeks preg, and
from refferences I read, cytotec-alone
able to terminate pregnancy in that weeks,
the thing that I want to ask in this forum
is how much should I take for terminating
the preg?The previous topic have already
anwer me, 2 or 4 pills a day might have
usefull effect. Thank you all
guys....
this was the reply this person gave after
a few of us tried to advise him against
doing this. Does it look to you like
he/she was looking for another answer?
No. They were going ahead with the
medical abortion regardless. The least
.Carifairy could do at that point was to
at least give him/her tips on how to do it
as safely as possible. She was not
agreeing with this person taking matters
into their own hands, suckers here:
carifairy
wrote:
i am sorry abortion is
illegal in your country. I do not like
the idea of abortion at home by yourself,
but because this was a special situation I
thought I would at least tell you
how.
would you rather she have continued to
preach not to do it while this person
allowed his girlfriend to use the pills
incorrectly and possibly done herself
serious harm?
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EugeniaBrown
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 94
Posted: 11-09-06 20:55pm
ayamiyaki
wrote:
blue_chevy
wrote:
from what I read in previous
topics of cytotec, looks like it'll gonna
work, one of the topic that said that the
gf loose a blood cloth and even the
tissue, it's enough to make me confident.
My gf is just about 4 weeks preg, and
from refferences I read, cytotec-alone
able to terminate pregnancy in that weeks,
the thing that I want to ask in this forum
is how much should I take for terminating
the preg?The previous topic have already
anwer me, 2 or 4 pills a day might have
usefull effect. Thank you all
guys....
this was the reply this person gave after
a few of us tried to advise him against
doing this. Does it look to you like
he/she was looking for another answer?
No. They were going ahead with the
medical abortion regardless. The least
.Carifairy could do at that point was to
at least give him/her tips on how to do it
as safely as possible. She was not
agreeing with this person taking matters
into their own hands, suckers here:
carifairy
wrote:
i am sorry abortion is
illegal in your country. I do not like
the idea of abortion at home by yourself,
but because this was a special situation I
thought I would at least tell you
how.
would you rather she have continued to
preach not to do it while this person
allowed his girlfriend to use the pills
incorrectly and possibly done herself
serious harm?
your point? For those
of us with some medical knowledge, we
already know that off label
uses for prescription drugs has gone on
since the dawn of medicine itself.
Hundreds of thousands of drugs are
prescribed and used every single day for a
variety of purposes not intended by the
manufacturers of the drug itself. This
is standard operating procedure for every
doctor, doctor's office, and patient
around the world. You, yourself, without
exception, have taken some medication for
a purpose that was not intended by its
manufacturers. This is a fact.
your point? For those
of us with some medical knowledge, we
already know that off label
uses for prescription drugs has gone on
since the dawn of medicine itself.
Hundreds of thousands of drugs are
prescribed and used every single day for a
variety of purposes not intended by the
manufacturers of the drug itself. This
is standard operating procedure for every
doctor, doctor's office, and patient
around the world. You, yourself,
without exception, have taken some
medication for a purpose that was not
intended by its manufacturers. This is
a fact.
my point is that there is more "unknown"
then "known" for this drug to be used
without medical supervision. It is very
like as coat hanger era.
***edited for the purpose of clarification
(just in case)******
cytotec- manufatured for patience with the
risk of ulcers.
Coat hanger- manufactured to hang coats
niether was invented for the purpose of
aborting
Last edited by EugeniaBrown on 11-09-06 21:55pm; edited 1 time in total
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-09-06 21:51pm
eugeniabrown
wrote:
ayamiyaki
wrote:
....Excuse me.
She gave him advice on how to safely use
the pills he had already obtained since it was
obvious they were going to try it
regardless. Would you rather
.Carifairy had said nothing and this woman
had done it incorrectly?
You're ignoring the fact that *many* of us
advised blue_chevy against doing this
without a doctor.
What would you have .Carifairy do?
Honestly?
***edited for a spelling error, and to add
the following***
.You act as though we pushed abortion on
this person. That is not the case.
Please read back over the threads and take
them in
context.
as long as she could not find a medical
supervision I would discourage her from
attempting to use the drug (which many of
you did). But discouraging along with
posting a website where she can buy the
drug is some what hypocritical, in my
opinion.
The administration of this drug requires
follow up visits and close medical
supervision. Administering this drug
privately is like using a coat hanger....
I thought that pro-choicers are against
going back to those times again. What
about
consistency?
the point is that this couple was going to
use cytotec whether or not we told them
how to do it correctly. In this case, it
is far, far safer to simply inform them
how to do it right, then to sit back on
you morals and watch a woman die from
using it incorrectly.
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 11-09-06 22:07pm
Thank you, .Eiri.
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jenn_smithson
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Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 808 Location: Texas
Posted: 11-09-06 23:17pm
eugeniabrown
wrote:
my point is that there is
more "unknown" then "known" for this drug
to be used without medical supervision.
It is very like as coat hanger
era.
actually, you are just
showing your ignorance on this issue.
Whether the drug is intended to treat
ulcer's, pimples, or whatever, doctors and
other medical researchers and
professionals have long ago
discovered its uses in other
areas. They did this through
medical
testing. And, through medical
testing, they discovered that this drug
could be safely used to induce an
abortion.
Therefore, your little coat hanger analogy
is useless because the two are nothing
like one another. Unlike a coat hanger
which has never been tested in the use of
obstetrics or gynecology, cytotec has been
tested! Not only has it been
tested, but it has been found to be safe.
Whether the drug was intended for that
purpose or not does not matter. What
matters is that unlike a coat hanger, it
has at least been tested in this area and
been proven safe and effective. You are
trying to compare apples to oranges when
the comparison will only work between
apples and apples or oranges and
oranges.
Quote:
***edited for the
purpose of clarification (just in
case)******
cytotec- manufatured for patience with the
risk of ulcers.
Coat hanger- manufactured to hang coats
niether was invented for the purpose of
aborting
again, it does not mean
that neither was not later tested in the
field of obstetrics and gynecology and
found to be both safe and effective in
inducing an abortion. One of them was
and it was cytotec!
Your assumption that simply because it was
not manufactured with the same intent that
it was used and therefore it cannot be
used safely in other areas it was not
manufactured for is false.
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EugeniaBrown
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 94
Posted: 11-10-06 11:57am
jenn_smithson
wrote:
eugeniabrown
wrote:
my point is that there is
more "unknown" then "known" for this drug
to be used without medical supervision.
It is very like as coat hanger
era.
actually, you are just
showing your ignorance on this issue.
Whether the drug is intended to treat
ulcer's, pimples, or whatever, doctors and
other medical researchers and
professionals have long ago
discovered its uses in other
areas. They did this through
medical
testing. And, through medical
testing, they discovered that this drug
could be safely used to induce an
abortion.
Therefore, your little coat hanger analogy
is useless because the two are nothing
like one another. Unlike a coat hanger
which has never been tested in the use of
obstetrics or gynecology, cytotec has been
tested! Not only has it been
tested, but it has been found to be safe.
Whether the drug was intended for that
purpose or not does not matter. What
matters is that unlike a coat hanger, it
has at least been tested in this area and
been proven safe and effective. You are
trying to compare apples to oranges when
the comparison will only work between
apples and apples or oranges and
oranges.
Quote:
***edited for the
purpose of clarification (just in
case)******
cytotec- manufatured for patience with the
risk of ulcers.
Coat hanger- manufactured to hang coats
niether was invented for the purpose of
aborting
again, it does not mean
that neither was not later tested in the
field of obstetrics and gynecology and
found to be both safe and effective in
inducing an abortion. One of them was
and it was cytotec!
Your assumption that simply because it was
not manufactured with the same intent that
it was used and therefore it cannot be
used safely in other areas it was not
manufactured for is
false.
yes cytotec was tested, but it was not
tested for home use without a medical
supervision. Besides there was entire
group of women that could not participate
in the testing due to the possible health
risks. None of that was touched in the
advises to blue_chevy. She clearly
mentioned that no doctors in her country
offer ru 486, I suppose there may be a
danger that doctors there may have a hard
time providing emergency help, if needed.
If many of you were so caring why didn't
you offer her to come to country like us
or uk for the procedure so she can have
medical supervision? Or is it that this
kind of support is a little over the top?
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Birch
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Posted: 11-10-06 11:58am
What would you have advised, eugenia?
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diamondsz
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Posted: 11-10-06 12:00pm
eugeniabrown
wrote:
jenn_smithson
wrote:
eugeniabrown
wrote:
my point is that there is
more "unknown" then "known" for this drug
to be used without medical supervision.
It is very like as coat hanger
era.
actually, you are just
showing your ignorance on this issue.
Whether the drug is intended to treat
ulcer's, pimples, or whatever, doctors and
other medical researchers and
professionals have long ago
discovered its uses in other
areas. They did this through
medical
testing. And, through medical
testing, they discovered that this drug
could be safely used to induce an
abortion.
Therefore, your little coat hanger analogy
is useless because the two are nothing
like one another. Unlike a coat hanger
which has never been tested in the use of
obstetrics or gynecology, cytotec has been
tested! Not only has it been
tested, but it has been found to be safe.
Whether the drug was intended for that
purpose or not does not matter. What
matters is that unlike a coat hanger, it
has at least been tested in this area and
been proven safe and effective. You
are trying to compare apples to oranges
when the comparison will only work between
apples and apples or oranges and
oranges.
Quote:
***edited for the
purpose of clarification (just in
case)******
cytotec- manufatured for patience with the
risk of ulcers.
Coat hanger- manufactured to hang coats
niether was invented for the purpose of
aborting
again, it does not mean
that neither was not later tested in the
field of obstetrics and gynecology and
found to be both safe and effective in
inducing an abortion. One of them was
and it was cytotec!
Your assumption that simply because it was
not manufactured with the same intent that
it was used and therefore it cannot be
used safely in other areas it was not
manufactured for is
false.
yes cytotec was tested, but it was not
tested for home use without a medical
supervision. Besides there was entire
group of women that could not participate
in the testing due to the possible health
risks. None of that was touched in the
advises to blue_chevy. She clearly
mentioned that no doctors in her country
offer ru 486, I suppose there may be a
danger that doctors there may have a hard
time providing emergency help, if needed.
If many of you were so caring why didn't
you offer her to come to country like us
or uk for the procedure so she can have
medical supervision? Or is it that this
kind of support is a little over the
top?
clearly this person mentioned it was
illegal for them to abort in their
country, cairifairy mentioned to seek
medical advice first but then the guy
just wanted to know the dosage to take!
Clearly you are ignorant to the fact that
if she did it with a coat hanger or
turpentine she would have died cairifairy
was providing information on safe
abortion!
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EugeniaBrown
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 94
Posted: 11-10-06 13:51pm
diamondsz
wrote:
clearly you are ignorant to the fact that
if she did it with a coat hanger or
turpentine she would have died cairifairy
was providing information on safe
abortion!
i may be ignorant, as you call me. Never
the less the were recorded cases when
women died taking ru-486. What if her
pregnancy was ectopic? Even abortion
providers will tell you that ru-486 should
not be used for an ectopic pregnancy.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-10-06 14:46pm
eugeniabrown
wrote:
diamondsz
wrote:
clearly you are ignorant to the fact that
if she did it with a coat hanger or
turpentine she would have died cairifairy
was providing information on safe
abortion!
i may be ignorant, as you call me. Never
the less the were recorded cases when
women died taking ru-486. What if her
pregnancy was ectopic? Even abortion
providers will tell you that ru-486 should
not be used for an ectopic
pregnancy.
there are many reported cases of women
dying while giving birth. Guess we
shouldn't advise that, either.
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paganangel
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Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 377 Location: VA
Posted: 11-10-06 15:02pm
Yeah it sucks that they are going to be
using this without a dr present or to help
out but it's clear that they are going to
use it anyway no matter what someone says.
No I don't agree that they should use it
but since they are going to anyway they
need to be told how to do it. I would
rather someone post how to do it rather
then just tell them not too and then
someone dies.
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jenn_smithson
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 808 Location: Texas
Posted: 11-10-06 15:05pm
eugeniabrown
wrote:
diamondsz
wrote:
clearly you are ignorant to the fact that
if she did it with a coat hanger or
turpentine she would have died cairifairy
was providing information on safe
abortion!
i may be ignorant, as you call me.
Never the less the were recorded cases
when women died taking ru-486. What if
her pregnancy was ectopic? Even
abortion providers will tell you that
ru-486 should not be used for an ectopic
pregnancy.
open your eyes, please,
just a little to the actual
circumstances of the individual poster in
the other forum. abortion is
.I.L.L.E.G.A.L in their nation so
everything that they are doing is outside
of the law. Therefore, they cannot
simply go up to the clinic and say, "i got
these drugs, how much do I take before I
start to miscarry?" because it will get
them arrested or possibly much, much worse. Since
they already had the pills and
are going to use them regardless of if they
have medical care or not, the compassionate and empathetic advice is
that which will help them carry out their
plans in the safest way possible.
.T.H.A.T is support based on
the individual, not based on dogma or
beliefs.
You are trying to make a mountain out of a
molehill because you do not agree with any
abortions.
If you would open your eyes to the lives
of the individuals who come here, you
would see that sending them off to take
the pills without any advice as to the
dosage is much more like sending them off with
a coat hanger and some vaseline than
giving them the information to safely
abort with the tools that they already
possess.
the more you post, the more you show
yourself as grasping at straws (ie,
ectopic pregnancy scare) because your
personal beliefs mean more to you than
being compassionate toward the people who
need help.
Did you once stop to consider the fact
that not only is abortion illegal in their
country but premarital/extramarital
pregnancy may be as well? .She could be
stoned to death in the public square if
someone was to discover that she's
pregnant and unmarried. this is
also why sending them to
the local clinic may be more harmful
than helpful because the clinic
officials could report them and thus, send
them to their deaths. If they have the
pills and are going to use them, it is far
more compassionate to see that they don't
overdose than it is to wash our hands of
the situation.
Get your head out of the sand. This
issue is never black and white, especially
when there are circumstances very
different than in your own country.
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Kia
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Joined: 23 Jun 2004 Posts: 6594 Location: Planet Tampaxia,
Posted: 11-10-06 16:19pm
Exactly.
It's the same with anything illegal.
If someone is going to do - regardless of
advice or your personal belief, the best
thing you can do is advise them how to do
it safely.
I read the post and was like he|| telling
someone to carry ou an abortion - oh my
that's so unethical".
Then I read the post, and understood why
the poster advised them in the best manner
in which to use the drugs they already
had.
Her advise could actually have saved the
girls life.
Given that if there are any complications
post abortively, the girl can go to a
doctor and claim she miscarried but it
doesn't appear to have completely passed,
in which case they are obliged to treat
her and no-one need know what really
happened.
This is what would happen in the states
and/or usa *if* abortion was illegalised.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-10-06 19:21pm
You know what? No, I most certianly did
not like the idea of them having an at
home aboriton without a doctors
supervision, but if they would have used
too much she could have fared far
worse!!
I told them the safe dosage, not because I
condone the behavior, but because I at
least do not want an overdose to occur.
No, I do not condone 11 year olds having
sex, but if they are going to anyway, you
get them birth control and condoms.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-10-06 19:22pm
That is why I did it paganangel, if she
took too much then it could have had
disasterous effects.
