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Posted: 12-04-05 17:31pm


Faerun that doesnt sound right at all. I would tend to get a second opinion if it has got that bad. Jaundice not caused by ibs & this problem needs looking into further. Go see another dr!!!!

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Re: No Gallstones But All the Syptoms
Posted: 01-20-06 19:14pm

I am having almost the exact symptoms you are experiencing. I'm a 25 year old athletically fit woman. All of my tests have been negative...And I think i've had everything you've had except the colonoscopy.
I really like my gi physician, but am going for a second opinion next week. Have you gotten any new answers???
Thanks for the help! Made me feel better to know someone else understands how I feel. Please let me know....

daniel27 wrote:

i am a 27 year old male. I've been extremely fit all my life up until about 12 months ago. I began experiencing abdominal pain, bloating, chronic belching, back pain on my right side, fatigue, and brain fog or mental confusion (which I suspect is related to my stomach?).

I have had every test under the sun performed and all clear. Gastroscopy, colonoscopy, full blood examinations, stool samples, ultrasound, cat scans (head, abdomen & pancreas) and just recently a hida can which was normal.

It feels as though I have come to the end of the road. Although the tests are all clear but I still suspect it has something to do with my gallbladder. My family and friends tell me "just have it removed", but it is hard to do considering there is no justification for it. Is it possible that despite all these tests it could still be my gall bladder?

anonymous wrote:

i'm a physician assistant in surgery, and I think I can help. There is a condition called biliary dyskinesia or "biliary colic" and it's defined as the abnormal contraction of the gallbladder. Your gallbladder is basically a storage organ; once bile is excreted from the liver, it's stored in the gallbladder until you eat a fatty meal. Once you do, the gallbladder contracts, squirting the bile into your small intestine, helping your body digest fats. When you dont' have a gallbladder, the bile is stored in the bile ducts and squirted "on demand" directly into the intestine when you eat fats.
If for some reason the gallbladder contractions are not smooth and coordinated, this can lead to pain and all the other symptoms, even without gallstones. A hida can be called "normal" when there is no evidence of acute inflammation; however, we also calculate an ejection fraction (how much of the volume of bile is excreted upon contraction). A normal gb ejection fraction is above 30%; if the gb excretes less than 30% of it's content upon contraction, that's an abnormal hida and is indicative of biliary dyskinesia. Treatment is surgical.

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Hida Scan Posted: 01-24-06 17:17pm


Hey my name is sherri and I am 15 yrs old and I have been vomiting and having pain in my right side and ive been to the doctor about it and I have gotten a ultrasound and a cat scan and everything comes out clear and I have to get this scan and I am scared because I dont know what it is and what they are going to be doing to me I know they are going to give me an iv and I dont know how long this will be so if you know please help me understand what it is. Um my yahoo name is: lildevil200344 and my email address is: c ho_simbas_fan@hotmail.Com so please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :? :( :?: :?: :?:

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Re: No Gallstones But All the Syptoms
Posted: 01-24-06 20:39pm

daniel27 wrote:

1)i don't think bloating and belching and brain fog are symptoms of gallbladder disease.
2) I don't think a doctor would remove your gallbladder just because you asked him to.

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Posted: 01-25-06 18:06pm


I don't know about brain fog, but bloating and belching are most definitely symptoms of gallbladder problems. Of course, just because you exhibit certain symptoms does not necessarily mean you have a bad gallbladder. You doctor is a much better resource for getting to the root of the problem.

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Re: Gallstones Or What?
Posted: 01-26-06 16:27pm

helplessly lost wrote:

i have suffered for several years quick sharp pains which last 4 seconds across left side of chest and in back. There is some swelling it looks like and tenderness in the upper right abomen just under the right breast. Ekg's shows normal and an ultra sound on gallbladder is normal. Any idea what i'm dealing with here? :?

i've been dealing with the same thing. I have a lump (swelling) under my right breast and it hurts and makes me feel like i'm going to either throw up or pass out every time something pushes against my upper abdomen. I had the ultrasound done a couple of months ago, which came back normal. Then I had the hida-scan done about two weeks ago and it came back to be a diseased gall bladder without gall stones. My Dr. Says that only 5% of people have gall bladder disease without gall stones. The ultrasound checks for gall stones, which is why mine came out normal. I am now just waiting for the approval from my insurance and am then having the surgery to remove my gb. Good luck to you! Hope this might help....
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Posted: 01-28-06 02:39am


There is a gallbladder treatment you can find online as an alternative to surgery. I heard it works but who knows. It wouldn't hurt to try, it's all natural. Here is one, there are many other variations out there. Http://w ww.Curezone.Com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recip e.Asp

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Re: Gallbaldder Symptoms With "normal" Hida Scan
Posted: 02-22-06 20:51pm

perfectangel264 wrote:

i'm an 18 year old girl and i've been having all the symptoms of a gallbladder problem for about 3 to 4 months now. I have had several tests ran and they can't find anything either, however I have no had a hida scan done yet. I am going to a specialist later this week, you might try also.

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Gallbladder Problems Posted: 02-22-06 20:53pm


Does anyone know if you have a 28% emptying rate on the hida scan calls for gallbladder removal. My doctor is recommending it and I am having uncomfortable symptoms (pain in abdomen, back pain, belching, etc) but I want to make sure I have no other options.

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Posted: 02-22-06 20:55pm


18 year old, i think that you are very young to have problems like this. What are your symptoms? Hida scan will be helpful because it tests gallbladder function.

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Gallbladder Posted: 02-24-06 01:24am


I'm 20 years old and have been having most of the same symptoms that are on this board (adominal pain, bloating, constipation, gas, back pain...). When it started I went the the er, normal x-rays and blood tests so the doctor sent me home with gastric flu. The next doctor said I had a kidney infection, the next was stomach ulcers. Just when i'd almost lost hope in the health care system, finally gallbladder was considered and I was sent for an ultra sound (came back normal), then a hida scan. Well they finally found something, my hida scan came back 17% (they recomend taking it out if it is under 35%). Meeting with my surgeon next week. I guess the only good thing out of all of this is that it didn't take years to figure out what was wrong (months though), but apparently abdominal pain is the most common thing that doctors have to deal with and since there's so much down there, there are so many things that could be causing pain. Good luck to all, hopefully taking my gallbladder out will solve all of this (else I might be back on here looking for help).

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Gallbladder Story And Friendly Advice Posted: 02-24-06 14:56pm


I have been researching this and other websites all morning and I have to thank everyone involved for setting up this forum and sharing their expieriences. The worst stress has come from my gallbladder problem being a mystery--- symptoms-- pain--"normal" test results, etc. It does make you question if this is all in your head or what. Reading that others are going through these problems with seemingly normal test results is a great emotional help to remain confident in my search for a solution, whether it be surgery or changing my diet and lifesyle. I am 32, relatively healthy and active but have required a more fat and protein consentrated diet than many because I live in alaska and it has been a cold winter in my area. What I thought was the stomach cramping type flu( fever, vomiting, incapsitated!) that was going around turned out to be as all the symptoms point-- a classic case of a gallbladder disorder. But so far, no solid evidence. I've had a sonogram-- debris and a 3mm polyp were found (both apparently normal) and 2 days ago I had a hida scan-- still waiting on those results and thanks to these websites I am much more informed about how to interperate the results that I was a few hours ago. Since feb. 14-- I have lost 12lbs (but I believe I have managed to halt this and I will tell you how), developed a bladder/kidney infection, and this a.M. I have developed what feels like the worst xyatica ever in my left leg and i've never had it there before along with a strange tenderness in my inner theighs down to my knees. How much this is related, I do not know--but it is strange-- and whoever first came up with pain meds deserves a metal! There are more details to this story, but mostly I wanted to share what has helped me to ease some of the pain and stopped losing so much weight. There is an easy to find book entitled "prescription for nutritional healing" by Dr. James and phyllis balch. I bought it 8 years ago for about 20 bucks at my grocery store (fred meyers)-- and it has provided much practical information over the years. This has been a saving grace for me right now. Not only was I able to "self diagnose" my symptoms, but there is an entire program on how to relieve these these attacks, what to eat, avoid, and things to do for pain. It's not a miracle, but after fasting, ememas, hot water bottles, hot baths with dried herbs(not covered in the book) and slowly bringing helpful foods back into the game, I feel a lot better and have de-toxed my system to where I can deal with all this stress and function in my family much better as well. Your local library might even have a copy to check out. Well, good luck to all of you and I do hope this info. Serves you well. --ivy

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Gallbladder Problems Posted: 02-24-06 21:59pm


I'm a 46 yr old female with a gallbladder problem. For the last few years I have been treated for gerd. For the last 2 years I have been experiencing a pain under my right breast that feels like a fist pressing aganist my breastbone. I have had nausea, diarrrea (no vomiting) a slight temperature. To make a long story short here it is. Within last 4 years i've had 2 utlrasounds, they're ok. 2 endoscopies they're ok.In the last year my liver enzymes are 60-75. Should be no more than 33. Since jan. 2006, i'vd had a hida scan with a 14.3% and a slight curve in my gallbladder (don't know what that one means). I've tested positive for the hplyoric bacteria and had a 14 day round of antibiotics and nexium. Went to see a surgeon yesterday and he wants me to have a ct scan of my abdomen on tuesday. He wants to be sure of what the problem is before having surgery. Having the gallbladder removed gives a 80-85% chance of eliminating the symptons. So we will see what the ct scan shows. Hope this may be helpful to someone.

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Posted: 02-28-06 22:56pm


I am 17 have already had a hida scan and a gallbladder ultrasound results on hida scan showed 68%of my gallbladder was functioning and there were no gallstones but my pancreas level was elevated 5 points above normal so now I am have to go have a scope because they think its pancreatitis...............

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H Pylori Posted: 03-04-06 10:12am


I have pain that is right up under my bra line sometimes I even have to take it off because it is so tender.I have noticed it hurts after I eat but it also hurts in the morning when my stomach is empty,i also had a hida scan which came back normal but because of the pain I had during the test they want to remove my gallbladder.I started reading up on all of this & the fact that it doesn't just hurt after I eat were signs of h pylori,ulcers & stomach cancer.Let me just say I have other symptoms too which are nausea but not often & kind of a gas like pain,burping when I have not eaten anything & sometimes back pain so I asked for an h pylori tests & I have it so I am on a prevpac & this is my second day.They still want me to go see a surgeon about having my gallbladder taken out im not sure if I should insist on having an ulcer or stomach cancer test first.My grandfather died of liver cancer & I do or did have a poor diet I am trying to change my diet now.Any suggestions?

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Gallbladder Surgery Feb 16, 2006 Posted: 03-09-06 21:17pm


Hi, I just had gallbladder surgery three wks ago today. I am actually a senior in a bachelor's of nursing program, so I sort of knew what to expect with surgery....Or so I thought! I was in extreme pain for at leat a week, then went back into the groove of things after one week (my surgeon said I could do situps and vacuum after a wk). I ended up in er last monday (feb 27th) after pulling muscles/stitches inside. Extreme pain again. I then woke up twice about 4-5 am over the wknd with excrutiating pain radiating to the right shoulder (which is indicative of abdominal pain). I'm finally feeling better, but am exhausted continually and now having severe night sweats where I have to change clothes in the middle of the night one to two times...I'm 38, so don't know if that is from the surgery or ?Perimenopause. Craziness! I really thought this would be a piece of cake, and it hasn't been. My mom said it could take up to 6 months to get back to normal. It was still worth it. The surgeon does typically put a few stitches on the inside of the abdominal area to tie back together muscles and fat...Thus the pain if you pull it. Hope this helps some of you out there...And is anyone else having those night sweats? Take care!

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Laboratory(blood) Tests Posted: 03-10-06 23:08pm


I'm a senior/first semester getting my bachelor's in nursing, and have learned a lot about gallbladder disease before and since having my gb out a few wks ago. I just wanted to post this to help anyone who thinks that gallbladder problems always shows up on blood laboratory tests. They don't. Your labs can be completely normal (mine were). They then ran an ultrasound in er after I was in uncontrollable, uncomfortable pain. Low and behold I had many, many small stones in my gb. I went to a surgeon, and only days before my surgery was my lipase a little high, which is a sign of gb disease too. If your ast and alt are high (these are liver enzyme tests which are commonly run), that is another sign of possible gb disease...But also of several other problems too. For all you out there with upper right quadrant pain that radiates to the right shoulder ,don't settle for just the lab tests....Get an u/s and if that is negative, a hida scan.

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Hida Scan Not Showing Gb Posted: 03-17-06 00:55am


I have been having pain symptomatic of gb disease on a daily basis for about three weeks now. My ultra sound showed no stones, but the doctor said I have nash (non alcoholic steatohepatitis). He also thinks that I still have a problem with my gb. When I went for the hida scan, my gb would not fill. My liver showed up (very large and lumpy-not good) and my small intestines showed up, but there was just a few speckles where my gb was. I was there for four hours, it never showed up. They couldn't even inject the cck because they would not have gotten a good picture of my gall bladder anyway. They just removed the iv and sent me home. I have a follow up appointment with my doctor next week. I just want to know what this means. Could this indicate that the ultra sound was wrong and my gb is blocked? Will this mean more tests? I hope I am done with the tests. I don't need a picture to know that it hurts. I just want them to make it stop. I can accept living with a low fat diet and lots of exercise for the rest of my life because of the nash, but I can't handle this pain forever. I'm tired of lying to people and telling them i'm alright when I screech in pain and clutch at my stomach or my back while I am at work. I can't imagine living with this as long as some of the people who have posted here have put up with this. Any ideas on what these test results might indicate? Thanks a bunch sententioetexcrucior@yahoo.Com

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Hida; Not Showing Gb Posted: 03-17-06 20:19pm


When was the last ime you ate or drank anything, other than little sips of water? If it was less than 4 hours before the scan, or longer than 12 hours it may be a false positive. (abnormal results with a normal gallbladder.) you may also have a false positive test if the food you eat has no fat or protein. (for example, a "clear liquid diet") if there is any question, they can repeat the test. If the gallbladder continues to "not visualize", they may give you morphine. If the gallbladder is normal, it will show up after receiving morphine. Very important: if you are given morphine... 1. You cannot drive home after the test. 2. You cannot be given cck or have a gallbladder ejection fraction study for this test.

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Pain Ruq For the Longest........... Posted: 09-27-06 11:28am


I have been having ruq pain for the last 3 years, just mild then. About 2 years ago I went in for a check up, had labs done also an ultrasound and everything was normal except I tested positive for h. Pylori and went on prilosec, that only relief my pain for a bit then it came back. Now the pain is radiating to my upper back and the feeling is horrible. Yesterday I went in to have it check again, had labs for gallstone and pancreatitis done, everything turned out normal. Tomorrow I am schedule for another abdominal ultrasound and afraid it'll be nothing again. I don't know how consistent the hida scan is, but i'm willing to give it a try.