Is a chiropractor an md? Do they have to
attend medical school and get a medical
degree?
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MPT
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No Posted: 02-06-04 23:01pm
They have a professional degree and go to
separate schools. They are just like a
podiatrist, dentist or doctor of physical
therapy.
Be careful, there are many chiros who try
to act like mds and they sometimes make
false claims,,, like they can cure organ
and non-orthopedic problems. Not all
chiro's feel this way and if you are going
to one that does
runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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scotti2000
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Chiropractic Posted: 05-01-04 21:18pm
Mpt,
when you make a statement about something
your really not qualified to do, or give
your opinion, and don't state it as such
it could be misleading and not allow for
someone to make the best educated choice
as to thier health care. Chiropractic
does not claim to cure anything. It is a
wide held belief that when the nervous
system is interfered with it does not
allow for proper function to occur between
the brain and its cells, tissues, and
organs. The nervous system is the master
controllor of the whole body and when
subluxated (interfered with) the body can
not express its full potential and could
result in dis-ease, and if still not
corrected will result in symptoms.
Chiropractic does not treat symptoms but
looks to remove the interference, which
result in the body being able to heal
itself. We are the only profession that
is trained and qualified to detect and
correct this interference. If you took
the time to research chiropractic, you
would find that hour for hour, subject for
subject, allopathic medicine and
chiropractic are equally educated. The
only difference is the philosophy of how
health is maintained. Chiropractic
believes that health comes from above,
down, inside, out. We are self contained
organisms and don't require drugs and
surgery from outside to stay healthy, we
need only not to be interfered with. It
is in alignment with alll the physical
laws of the universe that pertain to
health. Allopathic medicine, in my
opinion, looks to control and play god, by
separating a fool from his/her symptoms.
That is the problem with health care
today.
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MPT
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Posted: 05-04-04 08:55am
First, you can not make any statement
about what I am or am not qualified to
talk about. You have no idea what my
qualifications are.
Secondly, what I stated above is not my
opinion! It is based on scientific logic
and evidence. There are no randomized
controlled, peer reviewed articles that
support the claims of fringe
chiropractors. Simply put there is no
evidence that spinal subluxation
interferes with the bodies ability to heal
and even if that is true there is no
evidence that spinal manipulation can
change that.
I do agree with you that the nervous
system is very important to the proper
function of the body. However, it is a
large assumption that spinal manipulation
will affect that (and evidence suggests
that it does not). Most chiropractors
have even abandoned the idea! I think (my
opinion) that making claims like these
really hurts the chiropractic profession
"if you took the time to research
chiropractic, you would find that hour for
hour, subject for subject, allopathic
medicine and chiropractic are equally
educated."
did I claim that chiropractors have less
education than mds? I am fully aware of
what a chiropractor's education entails.
I simply stated that chiros have a
different education, from different
schools than mds. People often associate
the term dr with md and that is incorrect
and can mislead people. Dr is an
education level not a designation of
profession! While I am on the topic, it
is ridiculous to claim that chiros and mds
have the same amount of training. It just
is not true and again, this is not my
opinion and yes I have researched this!
Granted allopathic medicine is not perfect
and has faults. But a good rule of thumb
is if it sounds too good to be true, it
is. Chiros often try to market their
services as a cure-all (like the old snake
oil peddlers) and based on current
evidence and logic this is just not true!
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scotti2000
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Posted: 05-04-04 23:44pm
First of all, if you are not a
chiropractor, how could you be qualified
to tell someone what it is????
You stated
"they have a professional degree and go to
separate schools." I say true
you stated
" they are just like a podiatrist, dentist
or doctor of physical therapy." this
statement is absurb. This is the problem
I have. None of the above are alike and
it confuses people. One works on feet,
the other teeth, pt's on the muscular
skeletal system, and chiro's nerve
system.. I am assuming that mpt is
masters physical theraphy? Its like
telling someone a massage therapist and a
physical therapist are the same thing.
You said
"be careful, there are many chiros who try
to act like mds and they sometimes make
false claims,,, like they can cure organ
and non-orthopedic problems."
i think that any pt, md, or chiro that
makes a claim that they cure organs,
symptoms, diseases, or orthopedic problems
is full of crap.. The body heals itself.
If you fall and cut your finger, put a
band aid, alcohol, and antibiotic cream on
it, and wait a few days it will scab, the
scab will fall off, and you will have new
skin. Its silly to believe that the
bandaid, alcohol, or cream did it.. Your
body does it if nothing is interfering
with the process
you said
"not all chiro's feel this way and if you
are going to one that does
runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn" I agree
chiropractic is founded and based on 33
very sound principles. It is unfortunate
that many abuse, or don't understand what
they mean, and therefore distort it, and
unfairly use it for gain. The
chiropractors that do practice the
principles, the patients that are getting
the results, and the miracles that happen
every day are enough. I don't need to
play the science game with you and prove
that god heals. Can't you look at this
site, the people that have been let down
by science and proof, and see it does not
work. Fyi... The educated mind is
finite, god is infinate, and man can never
understand his plan...
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MPT
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Sorry I Confused You Posted: 05-06-04 04:47am
My point was, you have a professional
doctorate like an md, dentist or
podiatrist. I am not comparing the
professions, I am comparing the type of
degree!!! My point was that all of these
people can call themselves drs but only
one of them is a medical doctor (md). The
level of the degree is the same not the
training.
When someone says "i have a bachelors
degree" you do not know what it is in.
Same goes when someone says I am a Dr.
All it tells you is they were give a
doctorate diploma by a university. All
the professions I listed above can call
themselves doctors but there training is
very different.
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MPT
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Ps Posted: 05-06-04 05:04am
I am not a dog! Does that mean I can not
point to a four legged hairy creature and
say, hey look that is a dog. Of course I
can, just like I can point to a chiro and
say that is a Dr. Of chiropractic not an
md!
Before you lecture people about giving
advice they are not qualified to give look
at the point of this site. It is a
support site for people to talk to each
other about their medical problems. It
is known that those of us posting are not
necessarily medical professional the
opinions are only based on personal
experience!
For those who want more information about
the untrue claims made by some chiros
check out the "is chiropractic care alone
the answer for ills?" video at http://newsok.Com/?Video#. You
need realplayer to view it
The understanding that the spine is
somehow involved in health and wellness as
well as the practice of using manual
manipulation as a source of healing dates
back to the time of the ancient greek
philosophers. In fact, hippocrates once
said, "get knowledge of the spine, for
this is the requisite for many diseases".
Modern chiropractic, however, marks its
beginnings in the late 1800s when daniel
david palmer, a self-educated teacher and
healer, performed the first spinal
manipulation on a patient. That patient
was harvey lillard, a janitor who worked
in palmer's building. Lillard was nearly
totally deaf, and mentioned to palmer that
he lost his hearing many years ago when he
was bending over and felt a "pop" in his
upper back. Palmer, who was a
practitioner of magnet therapy (a common
therapy of the time) was quite
knowledgeable in anatomy and very
interested in how the spine interacts with
the rest of the body's systems. He felt
strongly that the two events - the
"popping" in lillard's back and his
deafness - must somehow be related. He
examined lillard's spine and found that
one of his vertebra was misaligned. After
applying slight pressure, palmer returned
lillard's vertebra to the correct position
and an amazing event occurred - lillard's
hearing was restored! This procedure has
become known as a chiropractic adjustment.
Palmer soon discovered that spinal
adjustments could correct misaligned
vertebra, eliminate nerve interference and
relieve patients' pain. These misaligned
vertebrae have been classified as
chiropractic subluxations (versus
allopathic subluxations). He began to use
these "hand treatments" to treat a variety
of ailments including sciatica, migraine
headaches, stomach complaints, epilepsy
and heart trouble. In 1898, he opened the
palmer school & infirmary of
chiropractic and began teaching his
chiropractic techniques to others.
The medical community did not immediately
embrace palmer's chiropractic theories and
techniques. The called him a "quack" and
refused to acknowledge his
accomplishments. At one point, palmer was
even indicted for practicing medicine
without a license and spent time in jail
for his offense.
While d. D. Palmer did not live to see
his discoveries become accepted by the
medical community, his son b.J. Palmer
carried on his father's devotion and
advanced the practice of chiropractic by
getting it recognized as a licensed
profession and establishing the palmer
school of chiropractic in davenport, iowa,
one of the premier chiropractic college in
the united states.
Today, chiropractors are licensed in every
state with over 50,000 practicing
chiropractors in this country alone.
Chiropractic continues to gain wide
acceptance by the medical, legal, and
patient communities through is record of
beneficial results and ongoing research.
There is even an area of veterinary
medicine that utilizes chiropractic
techniques to treat animals.
While the practice of chiropractic has
come a long way since it's beginnings, its
basic philosophies remain the same: the
nervous system is involved in all bodily
functions and a healthy nervous system,
particularly a healthy spine, is one of
the major keys to wellness. Disorders of
the bones and muscles can cause
interference in this delicate
communications system and increases the
risk of disease and other health problems.
Only by diagnosing and eliminating this
interference, can health be restored.
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scotti2000
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Posted: 05-06-04 23:19pm
Mpt,
i took the time to do a search on the
evidence you requested as to the validity
of "chiropractic claims" if you check my
posts you will find that I have supplied
the info that shows the effectiveness of
chiropractic on colic, pms, migraines, ear
infections, and a host of other things.
I am trying to show there is other choices
when the medical model fails, and there is
an alternative. I am not bashing md's
but think its important for people to know
about choices.
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onthink
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Dr scotti appears to be a "straight"
chiropractor, meaning he holds on the the
subluxation theory that there is "one
cause, and one cure" for dis-ease, sic.
He and others like him mean well, but have
no idea how rediculous they sound to
mainstream md's and musculoskeletal based
dc's. They truly are the bain of our
profession.
I am willing to bet that either dr scotti
is either a new grad or went to a really
fringe school, like life, where this
propaganda is spoon fed for four years.
No offense Dr.Scotti but the subluxation
theory is just that, theory.
Anyway, we get sick of hearing fringe
chiro's, if indeed you are a fringe chiro,
I didnt bother reading all of your posts,
they seemed canned and boring, been there
done that. I dont know how you do it mpt
but my blood pressure jumps too high to
debate people like that.
