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Why Should You Care Posted: 12-31-06 15:56pm
If a woman wants to stick a needle in her
would you care?
If a woman wants to stick crayons up her
nose would you care?
If a woman wants to commit suicide would
you care?
I feel some of you wouldnt but you would
care if she had an abortion~!
The thing is whether your pro-life or
pro-choice its none of your buisness what
another woman does and if she chooses to
share that information with you, you
should judge her.
A woman is allowes to have an abortion and
no matter what you do your not going to be
able to stop it it, why>? The reason
behind this is she is the primary being
and while the z/e/f lives in her it has no
rights until it is in the same scientific
class as us
neonatal/newborn/child/teenager/adult/seni
or etc.
Although these are different stage of life
they are all independant from the mothers
body and have to relay on breathing,
eating, drinking and communication on
their own a fetus doesnt have that
capability.
I feel that that noone can properly debate
that issue without using religion.
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Jules
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Posted: 12-31-06 16:10pm
I would certainly care if a woman wanted
to commit suicide! I also care if a
woman wants to abort. I would try to
stop her killing herslef and I would
endeavour to ensure she was certain about
her decision to have a termination but at
the end of the day the choice is hers in
both cases. I would be sad if she chose
death in both cases but as you stated,
diamondsz, it is her body and her life and
she has to make the decision.
I also agree that it's a shame that
religion gets brought into this debate so
often.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 12-31-06 16:53pm
I too would care if a woman was to commit
suicide, I would want to know why. If it
was over some reason like some guy or
something similar to that, I would try to
talk to her and would try to get her the
help she needed and try to explain to her
about the people that she is hurting by
making this mistake.
I would care if a woman wanted to stick a
needle in her, what if it was a dirty hypo
needle infested with stds and her becoming
a drug addict, I would talk to her about
getting help.
If a woman was sticking crayons up her
nose, I would feel their might be
something wrong with her mentally and
would talk to her and see if she needed
help.
If someone were to have an abortion I
would ask her if she knew all of the other
options and I do realize the choice is
hers because I am pro-choice and I am not
there to change her mind.
I would only do these things because I
care!!
I also am tired of religion being brought
into this situation of abortion!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cambion
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Posted: 01-01-07 19:24pm
The only reason most people don't care if
a woman they don't know is suicidal and do
if she's aborting is because suicide would
only involve killing her...A partially or
fully grown human female. Abortion would
involve the killing of a fetus (or "baby"
to the pro-lifers), which is a creature
valued far higher morally than anyone
else. It never fails to shock me how so
many people value the life of an unborn
human over the life of a breathing,
thinking, living-outside-the-uterus human
being. It's pretty bad when you need to
be a vegetating fetus to get any respect
in this country.
I also find it somewhat wrong to try and
tell someone a personal decision they have
made is "wrong". It's wrong by the
standards of the person who is judging,
but probably not by the standards of
everyone else. The people who feel it's
their duty to try and 'correct' the bad
decisions of others are more of an
annoyance and concern than those who made
the decisions in the first place.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-01-07 21:36pm
cambion
wrote:
the only reason most people
don't care if a woman they don't know is
suicidal and do if she's aborting is
because suicide would only involve killing
her...A partially or fully grown human
female. Abortion would involve the
killing of a fetus (or "baby" to the
pro-lifers), which is a creature valued
far higher morally than anyone else. It
never fails to shock me how so many people
value the life of an unborn human over the
life of a breathing, thinking,
living-outside-the-uterus human being.
It's pretty bad when you need to be a
vegetating fetus to get any respect in
this country.
I also find it somewhat wrong to try and
tell someone a personal decision they have
made is "wrong". It's wrong by the
standards of the person who is judging,
but probably not by the standards of
everyone else. The people who feel it's
their duty to try and 'correct' the bad
decisions of others are more of an
annoyance and concern than those who made
the decisions in the first
place.
or be a vegetative born-person. Terrch
schievo anyone? Lols.
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jenn_smithson
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Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 808 Location: Texas
Posted: 01-03-07 15:12pm
eiri
wrote:
cambion
wrote:
the only reason most people
don't care if a woman they don't know is
suicidal and do if she's aborting is
because suicide would only involve killing
her...A partially or fully grown human
female. Abortion would involve the
killing of a fetus (or "baby" to the
pro-lifers), which is a creature valued
far higher morally than anyone else. It
never fails to shock me how so many people
value the life of an unborn human over the
life of a breathing, thinking,
living-outside-the-uterus human being.
It's pretty bad when you need to be a
vegetating fetus to get any respect in
this country.
I also find it somewhat wrong to try and
tell someone a personal decision they have
made is "wrong". It's wrong by the
standards of the person who is judging,
but probably not by the standards of
everyone else. The people who feel it's
their duty to try and 'correct' the bad
decisions of others are more of an
annoyance and concern than those who made
the decisions in the first
place.
or be a vegetative born-person. Terrch
schievo anyone?
Lols.
true. The terri shiavo
case was another incidence where people
who had no right to legally interfere did
everything in their power save someone who
had passed away about 10 years before.
I'm actually glad that it happened in some
respects because it showed the extent to
which these busy-bodies would go to be
involved in someone elses family medical
decisions and how much our elected
officials pander to this vocal minority.
A lot of people have been in a position to
take a loved one's body off of life
support so their body and soul could be at
peace. A lot of people understand that
this is a personal, private family
decision where other people's opinions and
beliefs do not matter. Following the
terri schiavo incident, it was very easy
to make the comparison of taking a loved
one's body off of life support with the
private family medical decision of a woman
obtaining an abortion. People who had
never understood the relation, understood
it then. In fact, some people who had
never supported abortion began to support
it after that happened.
My condolences, of course, went out to her
husband and family and I wished them both
healing in the time to come. But the
situation ended up being a very timely
illustration of our rights to privacy, to
have our family make medical decisions
(instead of the government), and to have
the government respect our personal
medical decisions.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-04-07 02:08am
jenn_smithson
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
cambion
wrote:
the only reason most people
don't care if a woman they don't know is
suicidal and do if she's aborting is
because suicide would only involve killing
her...A partially or fully grown human
female. Abortion would involve the
killing of a fetus (or "baby" to the
pro-lifers), which is a creature valued
far higher morally than anyone else.
It never fails to shock me how so many
people value the life of an unborn human
over the life of a breathing, thinking,
living-outside-the-uterus human being.
It's pretty bad when you need to be a
vegetating fetus to get any respect in
this country.
I also find it somewhat wrong to try and
tell someone a personal decision they have
made is "wrong". It's wrong by the
standards of the person who is judging,
but probably not by the standards of
everyone else. The people who feel
it's their duty to try and 'correct' the
bad decisions of others are more of an
annoyance and concern than those who made
the decisions in the first
place.
or be a vegetative born-person. Terrch
schievo anyone?
Lols.
true. The terri shiavo
case was another incidence where people
who had no right to legally interfere did
everything in their power save someone who
had passed away about 10 years before.
I'm actually glad that it happened in some
respects because it showed the extent to
which these busy-bodies would go to be
involved in someone elses family medical
decisions and how much our elected
officials pander to this vocal minority.
A lot of people have been in a position
to take a loved one's body off of life
support so their body and soul could be at
peace. A lot of people understand that
this is a personal, private family
decision where other people's opinions and
beliefs do not matter. Following the
terri schiavo incident, it was very easy
to make the comparison of taking a loved
one's body off of life support with the
private family medical decision of a woman
obtaining an abortion. People who had
never understood the relation, understood
it then. In fact, some people who had
never supported abortion began to support
it after that happened.
My condolences, of course, went out to her
husband and family and I wished them both
healing in the time to come. But the
situation ended up being a very timely
illustration of our rights to privacy, to
have our family make medical decisions
(instead of the government), and to have
the government respect our personal
medical decisions.
i think I understand as much, of not more
than some people.
My grandfather just passed away over
christmas. He suddenly developed an
aortic aneuryism. They operated, but he
was old and his kidneys wouldn't turn back
on. He was on life support for three
days, when the doctors told us that it
didn't look good. It hurt, a lot. But,
my grandmother knew that grandpa didn't
want to be kept alive by machines, so they
turned everything off. He died an hour
later.
It is just plain cruel for outsiders to
intervene in such a hard desicion as this.
It is also cruel to intervene in a
woman's choice to abort. There is the
exact same kind of emotional,
heart-wrenching pain; but in the end, the
family knows what is right for the person
in the hospital bed, and the woman knows
what it right for herself and her fetus.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 01-04-07 07:21am
eiri
wrote:
there is the exact same
kind of emotional, heart-wrenching pain;
but in the end, the family knows what is
right for the person in the hospital bed,
and the woman knows what it right for
herself and her
fetus.
there is the exact same
kind of emotional, heart-wrenching pain;
but in the end, the family knows what is
right for the person in the hospital bed,
and the woman knows what it right for
herself and her
fetus.
abortion is wrong for the
fetus.
and who told you that, I wonder. The
foetus? Did it specifically tell you it
didn't want to die?
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 01-04-07 15:44pm
kypros
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
there is the exact same
kind of emotional, heart-wrenching pain;
but in the end, the family knows what is
right for the person in the hospital bed,
and the woman knows what it right for
herself and her
fetus.
abortion is wrong for the
fetus.
and who told you that, I wonder. The
foetus? Did it specifically tell you it
didn't want to die?
i believe she meant that it is wrong for
the fetus due to the fact that the fetus
dies, by the way does the fetus tell you
it specifically wants to die, sounds
stupid, well it is and so was what you
posted.
there is the exact same
kind of emotional, heart-wrenching pain;
but in the end, the family knows what is
right for the person in the hospital bed,
and the woman knows what it right for
herself and her
fetus.
abortion is wrong for the
fetus.
and who told you that, I wonder. The
foetus? Did it specifically tell you it
didn't want to die?
i believe she meant that it is wrong for
the fetus due to the fact that the fetus
dies, by the way does the fetus tell you
it specifically wants to die, sounds
stupid, well it is and so was what you
posted.
what she said was equally stupid. Nobody
(and I mean nobody) can say if it is wrong
for the foetus. Pro-lifers like her will
say "the foetus didn't ask to die"; in
fact, it didn't ask to live either!
Kypros.
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 01-05-07 15:00pm
kypros
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
kypros
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
there is the exact same
kind of emotional, heart-wrenching pain;
but in the end, the family knows what is
right for the person in the hospital bed,
and the woman knows what it right for
herself and her
fetus.
abortion is wrong for the
fetus.
and who told you that, I wonder. The
foetus? Did it specifically tell you
it didn't want to
die?
i believe she meant that it is wrong for
the fetus due to the fact that the fetus
dies, by the way does the fetus tell you
it specifically wants to die, sounds
stupid, well it is and so was what you
posted.
what she said was equally stupid. Nobody
(and I mean nobody) can say if it is wrong
for the foetus. Pro-lifers like her will
say "the foetus didn't ask to die"; in
fact, it didn't ask to live either!
Kypros.
please tell me how you can tell that it is
right for the fetus.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-05-07 16:44pm
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
there is the exact same
kind of emotional, heart-wrenching pain;
but in the end, the family knows what is
right for the person in the hospital bed,
and the woman knows what it right for
herself and her
fetus.
abortion is wrong for the
fetus.
you missd the whole point, fool.
Abortion can be right for the fetus,
even if it can't talk. Just like pulling
someone off life support can be best for
them, even though it is technicaly killing
them.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-05-07 16:47pm
cowboys
wrote:
kypros
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
kypros
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
there is the exact same
kind of emotional, heart-wrenching pain;
but in the end, the family knows what is
right for the person in the hospital bed,
and the woman knows what it right for
herself and her
fetus.
abortion is wrong for the
fetus.
and who told you that, I wonder. The
foetus? Did it specifically tell you
it didn't want to
die?
i believe she meant that it is wrong for
the fetus due to the fact that the fetus
dies, by the way does the fetus tell you
it specifically wants to die, sounds
stupid, well it is and so was what you
posted.
what she said was equally stupid.
Nobody (and I mean nobody) can say if it
is wrong for the foetus. Pro-lifers
like her will say "the foetus didn't ask
to die"; in fact, it didn't ask to live
either!
Kypros.
please tell me how you can tell that it is
right for the
fetus.
in the same way releasing someone from a
coma by taking tem off life support is
right. In the same way euthanizing an
animal in pain can be right. In the same
way, abortion can and does prevent
emotional and physical trauma to both the
mother and the potential child. We
already know you don't agree with
preventing pain.
there is the exact same
kind of emotional, heart-wrenching pain;
but in the end, the family knows what is
right for the person in the hospital bed,
and the woman knows what it right for
herself and her
fetus.
abortion is wrong for the
fetus.
and who told you that, I wonder. The
foetus? Did it specifically tell you
it didn't want to
die?
i believe she meant that it is wrong for
the fetus due to the fact that the fetus
dies, by the way does the fetus tell you
it specifically wants to die, sounds
stupid, well it is and so was what you
posted.
what she said was equally stupid.
Nobody (and I mean nobody) can say if it
is wrong for the foetus. Pro-lifers
like her will say "the foetus didn't ask
to die"; in fact, it didn't ask to live
either!
Kypros.
please tell me how you can tell that it is
right for the
fetus.
well, it really isn't hard. Aborting is
better than bringing an unwanted, unloved
child into a very poor financial
environment where it could possibly be
neglected and/or rejected. Aborting is
better for those who will have a poor
quality of life due to serious foetal
defects.
In these (and many more) cases, birth is
wrong for both lives involved - the
mother's and the foetus's.
No foetus can say whether it prefers to
live or die, so its host makes that
decision, particularly because it all
concerns her, too.
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 01-06-07 10:22am
kypros
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
kypros
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
kypros
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
there is the exact same
kind of emotional, heart-wrenching pain;
but in the end, the family knows what is
right for the person in the hospital bed,
and the woman knows what it right for
herself and her
fetus.
abortion is wrong for the
fetus.
and who told you that, I wonder. The
foetus? Did it specifically tell you
it didn't want to
die?
i believe she meant that it is wrong for
the fetus due to the fact that the fetus
dies, by the way does the fetus tell you
it specifically wants to die, sounds
stupid, well it is and so was what you
posted.
what she said was equally stupid.
Nobody (and I mean nobody) can say if it
is wrong for the foetus. Pro-lifers
like her will say "the foetus didn't ask
to die"; in fact, it didn't ask to live
either!
Kypros.
please tell me how you can tell that it is
right for the
fetus.
well, it really isn't hard. Aborting is
better than bringing an unwanted, unloved
child into a very poor financial
environment where it could possibly be
neglected and/or rejected. Aborting is
better for those who will have a poor
quality of life due to serious foetal
defects.
In these (and many more) cases, birth is
wrong for both lives involved - the
mother's and the foetus's.
No foetus can say whether it prefers to
live or die, so its host makes that
decision, particularly because it all
concerns her, too.
so that is what you say makes it right for
the fetus, no that is right for the
mother, not the fetus.That s a minority of
the reasons for abortion.I see that you
believe that yours is the only right
opinion and everyone else is wrong, you
have basically stated the same as
nightangel just in a round about way.
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 01-06-07 10:27am
eiri
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
kypros
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
kypros
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
there is the exact same
kind of emotional, heart-wrenching pain;
but in the end, the family knows what is
right for the person in the hospital bed,
and the woman knows what it right for
herself and her
fetus.
abortion is wrong for the
fetus.
and who told you that, I wonder.
The foetus? Did it specifically
tell you it didn't want to
die?
i believe she meant that it is wrong for
the fetus due to the fact that the fetus
dies, by the way does the fetus tell you
it specifically wants to die, sounds
stupid, well it is and so was what you
posted.
what she said was equally stupid.
Nobody (and I mean nobody) can say if it
is wrong for the foetus. Pro-lifers
like her will say "the foetus didn't ask
to die"; in fact, it didn't ask to live
either!
Kypros.
please tell me how you can tell that it is
right for the
fetus.
in the same way releasing someone from a
coma by taking tem off life support is
right. In the same way euthanizing an
animal in pain can be right. In the
same way, abortion can and does prevent
emotional and physical trauma to both the
mother and the potential child. We
already know you don't agree with
preventing pain.
what "edit by a mod for abusive language"
drugs are you on "edit" where have I said
that I do not agree with preventing pain,
stop lying about me .I am sick of you
saying things about me that are pure b/s
then saying oh sorry I mixed you up with
so and so.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 01-06-07 11:24am
eiri
wrote:
in the same way, abortion
can and does prevent emotional and
physical trauma to both the mother and the
potential child.
having a baby is traumatic only if you
want to make traumatic experience.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 01-06-07 11:26am
cowboys
wrote:
what fucking drugs are you on stupid
idiot, where have I said that I
do not agree with preventing pain, stop lying about me
.I am sick of you saying
things about me that are pure b/s then
saying oh sorry I mixed you up wth so and
so.
there is the exact same
kind of emotional, heart-wrenching pain;
but in the end, the family knows what is
right for the person in the hospital bed,
and the woman knows what it right for
herself and her
fetus.
abortion is wrong for the
fetus.
and who told you that, I wonder.
The foetus? Did it specifically
tell you it didn't want to
die?
i believe she meant that it is wrong for
the fetus due to the fact that the fetus
dies, by the way does the fetus tell you
it specifically wants to die, sounds
stupid, well it is and so was what you
posted.
what she said was equally stupid.
Nobody (and I mean nobody) can say if it
is wrong for the foetus. Pro-lifers
like her will say "the foetus didn't ask
to die"; in fact, it didn't ask to live
either!
Kypros.
please tell me how you can tell that it is
right for the
fetus.
well, it really isn't hard. Aborting
is better than bringing an unwanted,
unloved child into a very poor financial
environment where it could possibly be
neglected and/or rejected. Aborting is
better for those who will have a poor
quality of life due to serious foetal
defects.
In these (and many more) cases, birth is
wrong for both lives involved - the
mother's and the foetus's.
No foetus can say whether it prefers to
live or die, so its host makes that
decision, particularly because it all
concerns her, too.
so that is what you say makes it right for
the fetus, no that is right for the
mother, not the fetus.That s a minority of
the reasons for abortion.I see that you
believe that yours is the only right
opinion and everyone else is wrong, you
have basically stated the same as
nightangel just in a round about
way.
i obviously believe my opinion is right
otherwise I wouldn't believe it! That's
common sense. Although I actually don't
care whether or not abortion is right for
the foetus; a living, breathing,
self-conscious, talking, intelligent human
being has more rights to her own body than
a human, non-sentient, non-self-conscious,
non-talking parasite (this is not nasty
but actually the truth). I'm just saying
there are conditions where females
actually abort out of love for their
foetus. For the knowledge that it will
be, unfortunately, better off dead than
alive. There are people who terminate
their pregnancies more for their foetus
than themselves.
But anyway , tell me how raising
(attempting to raise) a severely-disabled
baby with a poor quality of life in
squalid, financially-unstable conditions
is right for the foetus? You're off your
rocker, chuck.
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