Very Very Confused

Has she seen other doctors to get second opinions or have other tests done?

Yes she has, she has been for tests..They did a brain scan when she got put in hospital, and the tests came back negative..Doesnt it or shouldnt it show up if she had that going on in her brain..
Shes tried different meds, but most knock her out, like make her not being able to cope with daily things..
She is too frightened to try new medication plus like I said she believes its spiritual..

That is very rough business, indeed. Being convinced it is "demons" is a symptom of the disease. Being convinced that these things come off other people, and that she sees them, are further evidence of the schizophrenia as they are visual hallucinations.

Here is an interesting article to read: http://www. Smw.Ch/docs/pdf200x/2004/25/smw-10322.Pdf< /a>

and another site that outlines the differences between demonic possession and schizophrenia:

http://www.Relig ioustolerance.Org/chr_exor3.Htm

the most profound statement on this site was that if one is possessed demonically, they have an aversion towards .Christianity. However, those afflicted with schizophrenia are more likely to embrace .Christianity.

If she isn't endangering anyone, including herself, there is nothing you can force her to do. If she is functioning, then there may be little you want to do. If she is not, then she needs to be taken in for services...There are many outpatient mental health centers (i don't know where you are, though) that may be able to help you. Best of luck!

I too am sorry about your mom. I think she needs a neurologist to diagnose her. It is not spiritual. I'm as crazy as they come and my meds. Help alot. Granted, I don't hear voices but i'm still wayyyyyyy gone. Trust me on this, get her to a Dr. Eventually she will thank you for it. Please don't let her suffer within herself. Help if you can. If she refuses, just be there for her.
Please keep us up to date and don't hesitate to ask questions......

Thanks blulyneguy, and I will keep in touch, thanks to all your replies, its nice to be able to share..

Yeah, i'd prefer it if you'd stop posting new age drivel to help these people, trust me it doesn't work with them because i've seen the worst. And now I have more spam to get rid of. Freaking sick of these people.

Hi I havnt been on for a while, mums been good lately, she still has her ups and downs, Ill always be there for her..

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How is your mum doing now?

I would speculate that most psychotic appearing symptoms result from genuine schizophrenia/psychosis or organic(physical) illnesses however I believe that on an EXTREMELY rare occasion it could be possible for a person to be possessed.Perhaps it would be worthwhile discussing this matter with a priest who works in this area,but I would be VERY careful,thorough and research well to get the right person,if medications are not making any difference in your mums symptoms and if she keeps insisting(and if you believe) its spirit related.


quote="Chezzy"]Hi I havnt been on for a while, mums been good lately, she still has her ups and downs, Ill always be there for her.. [/quote]

Hi Everyone, well not long ago we have found out that my grandfather was in the 3 degree of free masonry, this is a serious thing if you are a christian person.I know I may get some people who dont beleive on the spiritual side of things, but this has a great deal to do with whats been happening to all my family. My mum is doing great, she's finding out alot of pieces of puzzles to her suffering. She is going to come out on top of this and be a great witness.

There are a few books that you could read on possession, perhaps they may shed some light. Who knows.

"glimpses of the devil" is one of them, it is about a psychiatrist who is led into doing a couple of exorcisms. M. scott peck I think his name is. And he was a devout christian.

"hostage to the devil" was written by malachi martin, an ex vatican exorcist i think. Maybe that would help.

However, what would you do if your mom was possessed? What would happen then?

I personally think she may need some deliverance, I dont think she is "Possessed" but may need some long persistant strong prayer. There is heaps we are finding out, my granddad has admitted that he only renounced some of the curses he put our family under, it goes right down to the fourth generation, which means my children too. I know I get attacks in my sleep, when im deeply asleep, I physically feel it. iv ordered a book on how to break free from curses of freemasonary, its "REAL" and it really happens and afflicts. My granddad isnt into it know but was before he became a born again christian, these spirits physically harrass and attack. It is real.

Wow, chezzy, that is some amazing stuff. Can you tell us more about what 3rd degree means and the curses? I'm facinated by this subject.

Thanks!!!!

Hello Chezzy
Do you and your mum think her symptoms might be related to your grandfathers previous actions and involvement in Freemasonry?
I dont know much about freemasonry,what do they do?
Hows your mum now?Are the medications still not taking the symptoms away?

Has she ever told you about her hallucinations. Has she told you about what she has seen, what does she claim to see.
Likewise, with any auditory hallucinations. Or for that matter, anything she has smelled, touched, heard, whatever. What do her voices say?

There are many degrees of masonary, they say oaths, and they hand their familes over right down to the fourth generation, which is me and my children. I am an intelligent women, and I know what has happened in out lives adds up to what has happened to my kids, me, my brother, my father, my mother. God has really started to bring things out, iv been renouncing a few curses, and forgiving my granddfather for handing us over. I got sick after that, almost ended up in hospital....

The 3rd degree involves the "Stomach and the womb", the gall bladder and liver, now my mum HAD to get her overies taken out due to so many problems, illnesses and infection, from what she didnt know, she also had her "WOMB" out at a very very early age, in her twenties. After having me she could not have any more kids, which was heartbreaking, she wanted 4 children not 2. She also had to have her gall bladder out, it was a painful operation, she had none stop problems..

My aunty, granddads daughter also had her womb out, and never ending problems with her female parts..Call me nuts if you like but it all pieces together. There is also a fear of death. Why should we fear death when we know where we are going, straight to our heavenly father, there a many degrees further, with more and more curses, and strong holds, attacks, spiritual attacks.
This is going to be a slow process, and my granddad needs to fight for our release of these curses, he has been reading this book, on delivering the captives, as have we aswell..We will come out in victory and my mother with be a GREAT WITNESS. She has NOT got schizophrenia, this I am 100% certain..To much has been revealed. Its not over yet, but we are making progress..

God is a good god..

Just something to think about??
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Many characteristics of schizophrenia relate to a spiritual area. Fear is not of God (II Timothy 1:7), yet many who suffer from schizophrenia experience extreme fear. Their visions are often gruesome and tormenting. Often the person uses extreme profanity. However, the Word says that we are to avoid profane words (I Timothy 6:20). The individual also may take on the character of an evil person such as a witch which is forbidden by God. The voices that one hears often suggest and promote (1) shameful behavior, (2) self-condemnation, and (3) violent, destructive behavior. In contrast, the Word says that we are to test the spirits (I John 4:1) and to avoid such behavior (Ephesians 4:22-23). Most who have symptoms of schizophrenia have a negative view of life. In contrast, the Word gives us some positive truths upon which we are to focus our attention (Philippians 4:. Those suffering from schizophrenia tend to seek help from spiritual authorities, often wasting hours of that authorities' precious time. One may feel as if he has committed the unpardonable sin and that God is out to get him. In contrast, the Word says that through Jesus we can have forgiveness and cleansing (I John 1:9 and Isaiah 1:1.

Others exhibit a divided mind or double mind. In fact, the original meaning of the term "schizophrenia" carried the idea of a "divided personality". The Word of God speaks to the issue of being double minded (James 1:. Confusion is another major characteristic of schizophrenia, but God is not the author of confusion (I Corinthians 14:33). Since those who have this disorder are poor in logic, there must be a breakdown of constructs. The onset of the disease is common during the late teens. These are the critical years of life. Traumatic experiences and the disease are often associated. Failures in school, work, and social relationships may trigger the disease. When one does not cast their stress upon God (I Peter 5:7-, one may open the door for the work of the devil (John 10:10).

Statistics indicate that schizophrenia may be passed down from one generation to the next. We may, therefore, conclude that there may be generational curses involved (Exodus 20:5). However, Jesus took the curse upon himself (Galatians 3:13). In some cases, the individual ceases to express his will. In other cases, the individual may be extremely demanding. Still in other cases, the individual may attribute their being to someone else. Usually he will claim that he is a person of worth, such as the President. Yet, the Scripture says that we are not to think of ourselves more highly than we ought (Romans 12:3). Most people who suffer from schizophrenia believe in a deity, but many also believe that they are that deity. After Nebuchadnezzar declared himself to be a deity, demanded worship, and lifted himself up in pride, he went insane and lived as a wild animal for seven years (Daniel 4:33). Those suffering from this ailment often live in a fantasy world. However, the Scripture says that we are to cast down vain imaginations and to bring every thought captive (II Corinthians 10:5). They live in a world of false ideas. However, the Holy Spirit is to lead us into all truth (John 16:13).

The following methods should prove themselves as being effective in the treatment of schizophrenia. (1) The counselor should provide intensive treatment, (2) show unconditional love and acceptance to the counselee, (3) lead the person to faith commitment to Jesus as Lord (this is essential), (4) gently confront the lies, fantasies, and deception with the Word and the Spirit, (5) help the person to regain yielded ground (including discerning deliverance), (6) lead the counselee in breaking generational curses, (7) help the counselee come to understand who he is in Christ, ( minister healing for past hurts, (9) direct the counselee to learn how to build new constructs through Scripture memory, meditation, confession, and application, (10) lead the counselee to learn how to establish proper communication and fellowship with God, (11) help the counselee to learn how to cast down vain imaginations and bring every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, and (12) teach the counselee to give thanks unto the Lord, rejoice in the Lord, and regularly praise Him. Please note that this is a simple outline and not meant to minimize the severity of the disorder. Long term follow-up and accountability may be needed. Habitual behavior calls not only for relearning, but also the exercise of new behavior. In some cases the use of drug therapy may be effective to bring temporary relief; however, there is a danger of drugs masking the causes of the problems. Long term use of medications also may hinder the potential healing as well as productivity of the individual.

The Word of God says, "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God" (Romans 12:2). The Greek word that is translated "transformed" means "metamorphose". It is like the caterpillar that changes into the beautiful butterfly. A person can change by the grace of God. "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls" (James 1:21). Through decisions to turn from wrong to right and through the engrafting of the Word the soul may be saved. The soul involves the mind, the will, and the emotions of the individual. The mind can be saved from wrong thoughts, the will from wrong decisions, and the emotions from wrong feelings. The counselor's responsibiltiy is to be led by the Spirit and to instruct the counselee with the Word. It is the counselee's responsibility to recieve by faith and apply the Word (II Timothy 2:25-26). The results are in God's hands.

We also should remember that the Word of God is sufficient to use in all types of counseling. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (II Timothy 3:16-17 ). I believe that those who manifest schizophrenic symptoms are not exceptions to the Word.

Hi Chezzy
Hows your mum now?
You might already know this but theres a place called Ellel ministries that deals with Freemasonry etc.

Hi All, things are good with her, she misses me and the kiddies alot, we have had to move interstate due to work and finacial reasons, I speak with her "Everyday" and she is good..
thankyou mkor4, could you give me a little bit more info on it if you have it.Appreciated.