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Tokaia

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Been Having Unexplained Panic Attacks
Posted: 01-21-07 17:35pm

On the night of january 14th, I noticed I started feeling strangely. I felt a little anxious, and I felt off. That's the only way I can describe it. I woke up the next morning at about 4:30 shaking terribly. I started feeling a very disturbing amount of anxiety around 6:30am, and it peaked at about 6:45 into a full blown panic attack. It subsided about 8:00am. I felt fine the rst of the day, except for bouts of anxiety, fearing I would have another. I'd had panic attacks before, due to withdrawal from medication. That should not have been the case this time, because i'd not taken anything. I had started exercising, though, about a week before they started.

The next morning, monday the 16th, I had another panic attack. It wasn't as severe as the first, but was still horrifying. The time duration was the same. I tried taking magnesium, drinking water, breathing exercises used just for panic attacks- nothing made it stop. The rest of the evening was spent crying in fear that i'd have yet another. Only two unexplained panic attacks, and I felt like it was tearing my life apart. The next morning, I woke with the same trembling that preceded the previous two. Then the anxiety started. I took about 750mg of phenibut, remembering that it acted on the benzodiazepine receptors. It helped. The forming panic attack didn't progress any further. I've been taking it until today (01/21), when I took a smaller dose at around 2 in the morning and went back to bed. I woke up about 3:40am. Unable to go back to sleep, I got up. I started feeling the shaking and anxiety. I quickly took a little more phenibut and stopped it in it's tracks. I'm convinced that I would have had panic attacks every day this week if it were not for phenibut.

Something is wrong, and I don't know what. I seem to have developed panic disorder out of nowhere, which makes no sense to me. It doesn't even have any triggers. I have a doctor's appointment. I'm going to demand that they check my thyroid, but I fully expect to be told that I need some weird meds like paxil or xanax (which I refuse to take). I want to solve the problem. Not slap a bandaid on it. Besides, I spent 7 years on paxil and never want to be on it again. I don't want to become dependant on something like xanax. From what i've heard, the withdrawal is hell.

Now, after filling out a questionnaire, I fit hypothyroidism 42%. I'll give some oddities/changes of my health and lifestyle.

I've been 10 weeks pregnant then had an abortion.
My most recent period was alot heavier than usual.
I have tourette's syndrome, and it's been more severe.
I quit taking paxil 17 months ago.
Family history- my mom has benign pituitary tumors.
Personal history- I have pcos.
I've had diarrhea for the past week, intermingled with periods of constipation.
I started exercising about a week before the attacks started.

That's about it. If anyone can think of anything- anything at all- please let me know. Except for "it's in your head" type crap. I don't buy in to that stuff.
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clare 123

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Posted: 01-23-07 09:07am

Hi I started having panic attacts in october 2006 I thought I was dying..An so did my kids im 25 , I dont want to live my life like this most days I dont go out an dont do as much with my kids, I have a lot of panic attacs but even when im not having one I feel that its hard to breath... Do panic attacs ever go or is there enything I can do to help stop them
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johnR

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Posted: 01-23-07 20:10pm

clare 123 wrote:
hi I started having panic attacts in october 2006 I thought I was dying..An so did my kids im 25 , I dont want to live my life like this most days I dont go out an dont do as much with my kids, I have a lot of panic attacs but even when im not having one I feel that its hard to breath... Do panic attacs ever go or is there enything I can do to help stop them


hi clare,
have you tried cbt? It has changed my life dramatically more than I ever thought anything could. I highly recommend cbt for panic, anxiety and depression. If you can't afford a cbt group pick up a copy of been there, done that? Do this! By sam obitz and start doing the tea form exercise in it. This is one of the two books we used in my group. Take care and know you can get better if you learn to think more objectively about your symptoms through the cbt exercises. The more you work on the exercises the more relief you get, I am still improving today. Good luck!
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clare 123

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Posted: 01-24-07 10:39am

johnr wrote:
clare 123 wrote:
hi I started having panic attacts in october 2006 I thought I was dying..An so did my kids im 25 , I dont want to live my life like this most days I dont go out an dont do as much with my kids, I have a lot of panic attacs but even when im not having one I feel that its hard to breath... Do panic attacs ever go or is there enything I can do to help stop them


hi clare,
have you tried cbt? It has changed my life dramatically more than I ever thought anything could. I highly recommend cbt for panic, anxiety and depression. If you can't afford a cbt group pick up a copy of been there, done that? Do this! By sam obitz and start doing the tea form exercise in it. This is one of the two books we used in my group. Take care and know you can get better if you learn to think more objectively about your symptoms through the cbt exercises. The more you work on the exercises the more relief you get, I am still improving today. Good luck!
hi thank you so much Smile
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johnR

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Posted: 01-29-07 18:40pm

Hi clare, let me know if you have any questions or if I can be of any more help. Doing the exercises in cbt are difficult at first but once you start doing them the learning curve is not too steep Smile
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trying_to_cope

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There Is a Simple Answer
Posted: 02-01-07 02:10am

The obitz book is helpful because of those tea forms that johnr referred to. It also sounds like you only have one enemy-- and that is resentment. It sounds like you harbor lots of angry judgments and resentments toward authority figures. All of this manifests into guilt and anxiety, and makes you feel like there are millions of things wrong with you. Your symptoms are the result of a war going on inside of you for your allegiance.

You need to get the obitz book and learn to quiet your mind through a meditation program of some sort. When you truly quiet your mind, a lot of that other stuff magically disappears. All of that stuff you mentioned. You won't even be able to understand what happened! I'm telling you this from experience. Trust me.
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kennio

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Magnesium
Posted: 02-03-07 14:15pm

I know you said you took it and it didn't work but all signs point to it. As you must know mag def causes panic. I am not sure what type of mag you took and how much but some magnesium is not absorbable. I would try magnesium glycinate or the hot mag drink called `natural calm'.

Take this test to see if you have more mag deficit symptoms.

Http://www.Theway up.Com/newsletters/081501.Htm

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here are some studies on your other symptoms that point to mag deficiency.

"we found significantly lower serum mg2+ and total magnesium and a significantly higher serum ca2+/mg2+ ratio in the pcos patients compared with the controls."

http://www.P cosupport.Org/medical/researchlinks.Php

"the central role of magnesium deficiency in tourette's syndrome"

http://www.Ncbi.Nlm.Nih.Gov/entrez /query.Fcgi?Cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed& ;list_uids=11863398&dopt=abstract

"exercise may increase the demand for magnesium and/or increase magnesium loss."

http://bjsm.Bmj.Co m/cgi/content/full/36/4/301

"the identification of marginal magnesium deficit, such as we have detected in a patient with anxiety"

http://www.Ncbi.Nlm.Nih.Gov/entrez/ query.Fcgi?Cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed& list_uids=1164868&dopt=abstract
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cece7

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Posted: 02-17-07 19:45pm

We learned the tea form exercise in my group and it has become a staple in my life that helps me keep my anxiety at a minimum. I think cognitive training would probably help you overcome your panic attacks. It worked for me and the book by sam obitz someone mentioned describes the right and wrong way to use the tea form and was generally easy to read and identify with.
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stoppanic

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What Happen When I Am Frustrated.
Posted: 02-19-07 14:59pm

hello all i am new in the forum i am 25 years old and i have panic attacs since my 18 years.When i was frustrated or get anxius i was starting to get red in al over my face and then also my back and my chest.My face could stay like that for about 30 minutes and is very unpleasand for anyone to see me.In my 21 years i start to understand that something was wrong with me and i couln't leave this continue.So i went to an expert doctor who gave my the medicine Seroxat.In about 1 month i start to feelling better when i was feeling that i was getting red then i different feeling was coming and i felt OK.I took Seroxat for a year and then i felt that i didn;t need it.
I was feeling good for many months then the same symptoms start to coming again i took again Seroxat and i was feeling that it couldn't help. I ask my doctor to give me a diferrent medicine and she gave me Efexor.
With Efexor i feld like the first time i took Seroxat.
Right now i am not taking any medicine and i can't say that i am totally cured.I am not like i was before i am less anxious but sometimes when i am very frustrated i am getting red.
I have learn to live with it. Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
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cece7

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Posted: 02-22-07 22:06pm

Personally I felt meds were good at boosting me up and masking my problems but I don't think you can ever get better without something like cbt where you learn exercises to help yourself and attack the anxiety at its root cause rather than treating the symptoms.
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johnR

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Posted: 03-09-07 19:19pm

I agree about meds. They have their place but are often used as a mask rather than part of a solution. Until you learn to eliminate the thinking errors that lead to anxiety I think you are doomed to repeated bouts of anxiety and depression.
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ocdengineer

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Don't Forget the Genetic Role
Posted: 03-10-07 11:35am

Guys,

CBT and meditation are both extremelly helpful for a lot of us, but they are not a cure. Don't forget the genetic aspect of this disease. Some people have to take medication to even begin the CBT and meditation. Tokia has been daignosed with Tourettes which is genetic and is usually accompanied by OCD, so a lot of the anxiety felt could be a result of this OCD. There really is no cure for OCD or any other anxiety disorder out there, but there are many ways of managing these anxeity disorders. CBT and meditation are two great options. Eating well and exercising are also very helpful. Quitting all recreational drugs including alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine can really help. And in some cases medication may be needed. Many of us, including myself, have been skeptical of meds and their value, but after almost 10 years of suffering I have to say that Xanax has changed my life band-aide or not. I have a genetic disease that will have to be battled until the day I die and I may need the Xanax that long as well, so don't dissuade medication. make sure everything has been tried before medication and as a last resort medication should be considered. I battled OCD (Pure O) for my entire life and finally decided meds were required for me to live a real life with the stresses that a normal American has to endure. I finally started taking Xanax about 8 months ago and it has really changed my life. I still eat well exercise quit all my vices and meditate daily, but I couldn't do that without the Xanax.

Take care,
OE
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johnR

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Posted: 03-20-07 15:51pm

OE I think we are basically on the same page. If you re-read my last post I think you will see that I am not against meds, but rather leary of they way they are used/overused in many cases. Meds were helpful to me but without cbt, exercise etc I do not believe I would be where I am today. I was told my panic and depression could not be cured without meds but I have been off meds and feeling great with no panic attacks for a long time now. Am I cured? I hope I am and think I am, but time will obviously tell if that's the case. My main point is if meds help that's great, but don't get complacent and rely on them exclusively and expect them to control all your problems by themselves in the longer term.
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ocdengineer

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Gottcha
Posted: 03-31-07 10:04am

John,

I get ya. I misinterpretted it as a warning against medication. It is just important to be careful when saying things that could dissuade people from seeking help because some people really do need medication.

I also totally agree that just because you are taking meds you can't be compacent. In fact I still have to pay attention to what I put in my body, exercise, and meditate every morning. If I don't watch these things then my anxiety will come back even with medication.

I do however need the medication and probably will for the rest of my life. Some may be able to get off the drugs, but some may not. I think we basically agree.

Take care,
OE
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johnR

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Posted: 04-14-07 00:02am

Well said oe and I too think we are on the same wavelength. Thanks for the thoughtful reply Smile
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cece7

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Posted: 04-23-07 20:58pm

It sure seems like you guys are saying the same thing to me for what it is worth.
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dandrew

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Posted: 04-26-07 19:17pm

Ocdengineer, I hope you are fairly old. Xanax is a horrible and addictive drug. I am now 58 years old and have been taking Valium for 35 years. It worked fine at first, but now I'm much worse than I was with my original problems. Both Valium and Xanax are drugs in the benzodiazepine family of drugs and these drugs are more addicting than heroin! If you are still young, you should definitely reconsider taking Xanax.
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dandrew

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Phenibut
Posted: 04-26-07 19:22pm

Tokaia, what is Phenibut? I've heard of it but haven't been able to find out exactly what it is or if it is a prescription medication. Thanks for any info.
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johnR

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Posted: 05-04-07 14:43pm

fwiw, I never tolerated xanax well, but I only took it when I was having an attack an never regularly. The downside was I always had horrible anxiety the following day or two after I took it.
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cece7

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Posted: 05-20-07 10:01am

dandrew wrote:
Ocdengineer, I hope you are fairly old. Xanax is a horrible and addictive drug. I am now 58 years old and have been taking Valium for 35 years. It worked fine at first, but now I'm much worse than I was with my original problems. Both Valium and Xanax are drugs in the benzodiazepine family of drugs and these drugs are more addicting than heroin! If you are still young, you should definitely reconsider taking Xanax.

really that addictive? I took them before but never on a regular basis and thank god for that if this is true Shocked
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