Lack of attention is an answer I see/hear
as most common. That doesn't fly because
it takes 2 to tango, so to speak. Unless
you're married to a hard headed person who
simply doesn't get it (when you say
something), there should be no excuse for
cheating! Sure, maybe a drunken
encounter, even I might forgive that in
time, but not the relationship type of
affair. Even if just electronic and/or
by phone, it's still cheating.
Why do you think?
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babydance143
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Posted: 02-02-07 19:50pm
Hey.
I agree..I think that there is no reason
for cheating! I feel that if you are in a
relationship with your spouse, there is no
excuse for deciding to be unfaithful! I
feel that if you want out of a marriage or
relationship, inform your lover, because
its a very dangerous situation, stds dont
discriminate..So cheating in my eyes is a
big no no...
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Color of Paper
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Posted: 02-02-07 21:05pm
Spouses cheat becuase they have low moral
period...Nothing eles.
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raven53
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Cheaters Posted: 02-02-07 21:52pm
People cheat because they are at a low or
pivitol point in their lives. There is
something bothering them and they need an
outlet to take their mind off of it.
Sometimes, it's just the thought of
getting old, hense midlife crisis, others
because they are bored, and someone out
there senses this and begins to pay
attention to them. It makes them feel
special and the taboo of it is exciting.
Rarely do they ever stop to think how much
damage they are causing themselves and
their families until it's too late. Most
of the time, the spouse/partner is not to
blame for these actions. It's just a
need within the cheater to find something
to take some form of pain they are
suffering away. They never realize you
can't solve a marital problem by turning
outside the marriage. Some marriages are
meant to fail, because there was no real
love to begin with, for others cheating
can be a wake up call. When the cheater
sees he/she may lose everything they've
worked hard for in life, they realize the
devastation their actions have caused, and
will fight to get back what they've lost.
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Color of Paper
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Posted: 02-02-07 22:14pm
I disagree raven. I dont quite know how
to fully explain myself right now givin
the mood im in but its just wrong.
There are basic things that humans dont
do. You dont give your body away to
someone eles while loving another. Porn
starts are disgusting...Cheaters are
disgusting.
For me personaly I cant even understand
how people can "hook up" have sex and move
on there day without atachment.
Regardless of the situation regardless of
the state of mind(becuase you can alwasy
make sure that your in a safe place before
getting fked up) you dont cheat.
For all these reasons why you dont cheat
and why its such a bad thing whom ever
does this losses in this section of a
basic moral.
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raven53
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Posted: 02-03-07 13:38pm
I agree color, cheating is the single
worst thing you can do to another human
being outside of homicide. But having
lived through this terrible trauma, I can
tell you that the cheater is going through
their own personal hell. They don't want
to admit it to their spouse at first, may
even get beligerant and defensive about
it, but believe me, when it all comes out,
and they are discovered, the hell really
starts. Some will leave their partners,
some won't. It all depends on how much
love is left between the couple, and how
the situations are handled. There are so
many ups and downs, one day good, one day
awful. The cheaters are usually full of
indecision whether to stay or go, and they
feel it's their decision to make, when in
reality it's not. While they are
sneaking around, they are too busy living
in the moment to worry about the after
effects, but when they are discovered,
then the real problems start, and healing
can begin if both partners want it.
That's not to say it's easy, it never is,
it's darnright painful to go through, and
harder for the person that has to accept
the betrayal and take the cheater back,
than to let them go, because then you have
to deal with the trust issue. There is
always a reason that one person "says"
they are not in love with their partner.
You just don't fall out of love
overnight-- rather something or someone is
distracting them from that love. That's
why so many people hear the statement "i
love you, but i'm not in love with you"
another good one is "i love you like a
sister/brother." there is usually still
love there, but the cheater is having a
hard time distinguishing that love because
they are being blinded by another kind of
love(lust) at that moment in time.
Things can be worked out if both parties
want it, but the injured party has got to
let the cheater know they are not going
to stand for such betrayal. They don't
deserve it, and will not let the cheater
make the decisions as to what the outcome
will be. The betrayed partener needs to
be the stronger, because it's obvious that
the cheater is not in their right frame of
mind. If they were, they wouldn't do
this dispicable thing to people they
shared a life with.
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DPantelones
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Posted: 02-05-07 12:19pm
Anyone out there speak from experience on
taking back a cheater?
How do you get past the betrayal? I
cannot even imagine a situation where I
could ever trust her again...I feel like I
have no love left for her at all!
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Birch
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Posted: 02-05-07 12:31pm
dpantelones
wrote:
anyone out there speak from
experience on taking back a cheater?
How do you get past the betrayal? I
cannot even imagine a situation where I
could ever trust her again...I feel like I
have no love left for her at
all!
i did. First time anyone had cheated on
me. He was contrite, said all the right
things. I really enjoyed my time with
him. I figured, if I made the decision
to get back with him, then I had to let
the cheating issue drop. I couldn't
'use' it as ammo-i had to let it go and
just live day by day. The truth will
eventually come out.
So this contrite man did it again. With
my friends. Yes, my "friends" plural.
That was it. We weren't married so it
was a clean break. He still contacts me,
five years later, and talks about how
contrite he is. What a jerk.
My take on cheating is that it is not
about the other person. It's never about
you, what you do or don't do. It's about
the cheater's inability to keep his/her
feelings reined in. It's about their
lack of understanding as to what a
committment is. It's their inability to
understand what kind of hurt it can cause
to someone. It's their desire to learn
if sex with someone else is different.
Or it's too many hormones swirling around.
None of these things are excuses, just
reasons why.
Anyways, I would get some counseling if I
was trying to maintain a marriage for the
sake of children or something. Cheaters
can reform, but do you want to have to
worry about it forever?
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DPantelones
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Posted: 02-05-07 12:54pm
birch
wrote:
anyways, I would get some
counseling if I was trying to maintain a
marriage for the sake of children or
something. Cheaters can reform, but do
you want to have to worry about it
forever?
no, no I don't want to worry about it,
period!
Sorry you had to go through that too, but
at least you weren't married with
children...It makes me sick to my stomach
what's she's done to our family! After
just over 2 months i've finally come to
realize that it's her, not me, and i'm
looking forward to getting out and
starting over...
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Color of Paper
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Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 171 Location: Long Beach, Ca
Posted: 02-05-07 13:28pm
My frist serious relationship...She
cheated on me in the worst way..Its a
super long story and I dont wana go into
it...But it was bad.
The next time was different...Its not that
I knew she cheated..Because she didnt, its
what she did. We were living togher and
I went out of town, she had her ex medical
answer buddy spend the night becuase they
were drunk.
Next time she got drunk and ran into her
ex girlfriend at a bar and decyded to
spend the night with her...Hmm.
Also I have cheated..Its what ended my
second long relationship. No excuse, I
had to break up with her even though she
forgave me I couldnt get over it..I felt 2
bad. I was drunk...Really drunk.
Passed out in a bed, girl tried to wake me
up by kissing me and touching me.....I was
passing out and didnt realize what was
going on tell I was kissing her back. I
got up, pushed her off yelled at her threw
a phone though the window and ran away for
the night. Fun times.
Cheating sucks.
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raven53
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Taking Back a Cheater Posted: 02-05-07 13:48pm
I have had the experience you are asking
about. My husband cheated on me over 25
years ago. He got involved with someone
at work that was older than him. It was
pure hell going through it, not even
knowing at first what was wrong with him.
He was cocky, arrogant, and full of
excuses. He lied and said he was working,
going to a friend's, lots of things that
were totally out of his normal character.
I was beside myself with stress and
finally asked him to leave. I told him I
didn't know what he was looking for, but
it wasn't with me and our kids. He was
furious at first but did leave. After a
few weeks I asked him what he was going to
do, and he admitted then that there was
someone else. I told him to get out and
stay out, that I was going to file for
divorce. He was out for a month, and
then came back begging to try again. I
reluctantly took him back in, but it was
pure hell. I immediately felt disgusted
with myself for taking him back, and was
very indifferent to him. We made a
promise not to ever talk about the affair
again, but it took me three years to
finally feel comfortable with him like we
were before. The other woman didn't want
to let go without a fight, but I told my
husband that if I had to fight for what
already belonged to me, then I didn't want
him. He offered to go to counciling, but
lied to the councilor out of
embarrassement, so that was a waste of
time. It took a while for the woman to
realize that he was not going to continue
the relationship, and during this time I
kept my divorce papers open, which
terrified my husband. I told him if he
ever tried it again, we were done. I
took no more crap or lies from him, and
slowly he tried in every way to show me he
was sincere. It's a long hard process,
and finally almost 18 years later, at our
daughter's wedding, he admitted fully to
me how sorry he was for causing me so much
pain. It was then I knew how he really
felt, and how much pain he had been in
himself. We have been married for 36
years next st. Patrick's day, and it was
worth the effort to stay together. Not
to say that the hurt has gone away, it
never will. But you can't take someone
back unless the are absolutely wanting to
come back, and are willing to do whatever
it takes to prove to you they are sorry
for their actions. It's a hard, slow
process, but if there is real love there,
it's worth it. The main thing to remember
is to not bring it up once you make the
committment to stay together. I wish you
the best with your wife, but you will have
to determine when and if she wants to stop
her affair whether she is sincere or not,
and if she is not, then you have to be
prepared to make the decision to get out
and mean it! If all you do is bluff,
then they will keep cheating. Good luck!
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DPantelones
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Posted: 02-05-07 14:56pm
Amen to that raven (unless they can prove
their sorry)! I have a feeling she is
going to resist my leaving big time, but
i've got to be strong and do it...Then if
we can make it work, over time, I might be
willing to take that chance.
I'm going to see a different therapist
when things settle down, see if I can ever
get that trust back. Right now I don't
feel like I can trust anyone but my
babies!
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raven53
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Posted: 02-05-07 15:39pm
I hear ya on that d. It's hard to trust
again, and I have to be honest...You
probably never will totally. Somewhere
in the back of your mind there is always
going to be that little shred of
insecurity, but that alone should push you
into never putting up with this kind of
treatment again. If you have been a good
man, and a good husband, and know you
don't deserve this kind of crap, the
somewhere out there is a wonderful woman
waiting for a guy like you. One who will
be trustworthy! You wife has to work to
earn your trust back, if she wants to save
your marriage. If not, say see ya!
Good luck!
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DPantelones
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Posted: 02-06-07 13:43pm
raven53
wrote:
i hear ya on that d. It's
hard to trust again, and I have to be
honest...You probably never will totally.
Somewhere in the back of your mind there
is always going to be that little shred of
insecurity, but that alone should push you
into never putting up with this kind of
treatment again. If you have been a
good man, and a good husband, and know you
don't deserve this kind of crap, the
somewhere out there is a wonderful woman
waiting for a guy like you. One who will
be trustworthy! You wife has to work to
earn your trust back, if she wants to save
your marriage. If not, say see ya!
Good luck!
that's the kicker, I have been a good
father and husband, a good man. I do the
"little things" to make her feel special,
appreciated and what nots...Well I used to
that is! She's made me feel like
complete crap the past couple months, and
come to find out it's because she's
carrying on a relationship, thinking the
grass is greener on the other side?? I
don't deserve that!
I will be okay. My kids will be okay.
She will probably be okay too, maybe even
find love one day if she can ever come to
terms with what she's done to this
marriage.
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Color of Paper
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Posted: 02-06-07 15:35pm
Raven you are awsome...That story gave me
chills and a tear in my eye.
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wadude
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Posted: 02-07-07 00:15am
Well, I cheated. I was stupid for a
night. I cheated. And regretted it so
badly. After 10yrs of faithful mariage.
I regretted it so badly that I told my
wife and she was completely unaware. Not
even the slight doubt. She cried, I
cried. I swore to her that I would do
whatever it takes to mend the broken
trust.
I worked really hard on this relationship.
I took a lot of low blows. But I knew
she was worth it. I kept on doing
everything I could to make her happy.
This lasted for over a year. A year
during which I did absolutely everything
which was in my power to re-establish love
and trust. There were some really low
moments. But I knew she was in a lot of
pain. She tried really hard, but took
some distance to get rid of the pain and
in the process, was hurting me, but just
to protect herself. It hurt really bad,
but I loved her, I always loved her,
despite having been such a complete fool.
Then recently, after more than a year,
she came back to me saying that everything
was forgiven, and that she was in love
with me again. 2 days later, I realised
that she had also cheated on me. Several
times. I had several times, serious
doubts, but decided to believe her. And
who was I to say anything anyway. But
recently, doubts were gone. I confronted
her and she told me. The truth was
actually worse than I expected.
Despite all this, i'm still looking deep
down in my heart, if I can forgive her
right away, to avoid any further pain.
Despite all this, i'm still in love with
her.
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raven53
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Posted: 02-07-07 09:53am
You know, many people think cheating to
get even is going to give them
satisfaction or revenge. Thank god I was
not one of them. I knew it would only
add to the problems and to be honest, in
my despair it never even occurred to me,
because I loved my husband, and could
never replace him with a fling. I am so
glad that I didn't because it would have
contributed to the end of our marriage.
As they say, two wrongs don't make a
right, and all I would have felt had I
done it, was dirty and ashamed. As dirty
and ashamed as he felt when it came out in
the open. It solves nothing. The best
way to get even it to hold your head up
high, know you're a good person that
didn't deserve this treatment from someone
who is suppose to love you, and go on with
your life, whatever the outcome. The
cheater will see that they are dealing
with someone with integrity, and let's
face it, when you are looking for a life
partner, which would you rather have...One
who lies and cheats, and doesn't respect
your vows, or one you know you can count
on, to get you through the hard times.
Affairs are a hard time, and with
compassion and respect, you can make the
cheater realize that your marriage is
worth the effort. If there is love, many
things can be accomplished. If they are
hell bent on leaving you, nothing can
bring them back, but most of the time, the
cheaters are full of indecision, some even
want to get caught so they can stop. We
don't realize the enormous stress there is
for the cheater trying to keep his other
life a secret. It's not always the fun
and games people think it is. Destroying
a marriage never is. Whether the cheater
wants to admit it or not, there is
tremendous guilt involved. The only ones
that don't experience that, are the repeat
cheaters who just don't give a darn. And
they need to be dumped!
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Cambion
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Posted: 02-07-07 10:10am
I think people cheat for a number of
reasons: as someone said, lack of
attention from the other person, loss of
interest in that person, revenge for
who-knows-what, fear of commitment to one
person, or maybe even because they grew up
seeing their parents or friends cheating
and began to think it was something normal
and acceptable.
I know my friend's last girlfriend cheated
on him with half a dozen other men before
she finally broke up with him. My friend
is a really nice, yet sensitive guy - that
experience scarred him for life, I think.
He refuses to be involved in a real
relationship because deep down he's so
scared of being hurt like he was again.
He seems happy where he is now, surrounded
by his dearest friends, but I don't know
if every single one of those friends will
be there for him ten years down the road.
My ex's ex cheated on him, and that made
him act overly protective of me (like
verbally abusing my male friends who so
much as waved at me because ex didn't want
me to 'get any ideas').
Some people don't realize how much they
can hurt their partners through cheating -
it's kind of scary how many people think
it's perfectly okay to do it; I don't mean
anyone here, but just in general.
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DPantelones
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Go Raven! Posted: 02-07-07 11:12am
Quote:
tr>
as they say, two
wrongs don't make a right, and all I would
have felt had I done it, was dirty and
ashamed. As dirty and ashamed as he felt
when it came out in the open. It solves
nothing. The best way to get even it to
hold your head up high, know you're a good
person that didn't deserve this treatment
from someone who is suppose to love you,
and go on with your life, whatever the
outcome. The cheater will see that they
are dealing with someone with
integrity
raven, you are very wise and so very
helpful! I'm holding my head up high and
keeping my heart protected. I sincerely
hope i'm not one of those who's unable to
trust again!
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wadude
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Posted: 02-07-07 11:19am
I understand, raven. I know how I felt
when I did what I did. I felt so
miserable. To this day, I can't even
understand why I did this. I love my
wife.
But now, I am not sure what to do, her
words and her actions are two different
things. She says she wants things to work
but then I discovered what happened. Had
she cheated right after I had told her, it
would have been easier to understand
somehow. Even if two wrongs don't make a
right, I would understand why, out of
anger.