This is to provide a reference to anyone
who wishes to explore the effects of
abortion on women.
emotional/phychological
effects
from http://www.Findarticles.Com/p/a
rticles/mi_m3225/is_n1_v45/ai_11899635/pg_
1 several
studies that examined emotional response
immediately after abortion found that
women are more likely to be depressed
before abortion than after abortion.
[3,14,15] studies indicate that most women
have a sense of relief after abortion,
althouth the next most common emotional
response is guilt. [2,5,6,11,12,15]
negative emotions reflect concerns such as
a sense of loss or social disapproval,
[2,6] symptoms of distress and dysphoria
after abortion may be a continuation of
symptoms that were present before the
procedure, rather than a result of the
procedure itself. [3]
long-term follow-up studies of women who
have undergon a therapeutic abortion have
revealed favorable outcomes, positive
responses to abortion and few long-term
psychologic sequelae. [11,14] one to two
years after abortion, most women report
improved emotional health and
satisfaction. [3,14,16,17] for the small
number of women who have a history of
serious psychiatric problems, abortion has
little effect on the course of their
psychiatric condition. [17]
from http://www.Ncbi.Nlm.Nih.Gov/entrez/q
uery.Fcgi?Cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&l
ist_uids=943199&dopt=abstract each
patient received brief counselling before
termination. Follow-up examinations were
carried out by means of detailed,
structured interviews at three months and
between 15 months and two years (mean: 18
months) after termination. Outcome was
assessed in terms of psychiatric symptoms,
guilt feelings, and adjustment in marital
and other interpersonal relationships,
sexual responsiveness and work record.
Compared with ratings of psychosocial
adjustment before termination, significant
improvement had occurred at follow-up in
respect of psychiatric symptoms, guilt
feelings and interpersonal and sexual
adjustment; there was no significant
change in marital adjustment. Adverse
psychiatric and social sequelae were
rare.
from http://archpsyc.Ama-a
ssn.Org/cgi/gca?Gca=33%2f6%2f725&submi
t.X=72&submit.Y=7 psychological outcome of abortion
was studied in 102 patients, measuring
multiple variables over four time
intervals. Five measured
affects--anxiety, depression, anger,
guilt, and shame-were significantly lower
six months after the preabortion period.
...
Data suggest that women most vulnerable to
conflict are those who are single and
nulliparous, those with previous history
of serious emotional problems, conflictual
relationships to lovers, past negative
relationships to mother, strong
ambivalence toward abortion, or negative
religious or cultural attitudes about
abortion.
from http://www.Ncbi.Nlm.Nih.Gov/entrez/q
uery.Fcgi?Cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&d
opt=abstract&list_uids=7817735&que
ry_hl=140&itool=pubmed_docsum a
substantial body of objective data now
exists to support the consensus view that
induced abortion results in a low
incidence of psychiatric morbidity.
...
There were no significant differences
between women allocated at random to
medical abortion or vacuum aspiration in
post-abortal anxiety, depression or low
self-esteem. Women with high levels of
mood disturbance prior to abortion, who
were smokers or who had medical
complications following abortion were at
highest risk of post-abortal mood
disorder
...
The quantitative findings of the study
support the consensus view that abortion
is associated with high incidence of
psychological benefit, whichever method is
used.
professor valerie beral, director, cancer
research uk epidemiology unit, university
of oxford:
the
results should make it clear that studies
which are properly designed show
pregnancies that end in abortion don't
increase the risk of breast
cancer.
professor sir richard peto, from the
cancer research uk epidemiology unit in
oxford:
some
previous reviews on abortion and breast
cancer have reached mistaken conclusions
because they mixed together data from
reliable and unreliable types of
study.
professor
valerie beral and colleagues found out of
the 83,000 women, only 44,000 had
predicated in reliable studies. They
were asked before they were diagnosed with
cancer to tell researchers whether or not
they had an abortion or miscarriage.
Results from these women showed that for
those who had miscarried there was no
increased risk of breast cancer compared
to the general population.
The risk was actually slightly lower among
those who had an abortion.
from http://www.Rcog
.Org.Uk/index.Asp?Pageid=649#safe for most
women an abortion is safer than carrying a
pregnancy and having a baby. All medical
and surgical procedures have risks, but
the earlier in pregnancy you have an
abortion, the safer it is. Your doctor or
nurse should tell you about risks and
complications that relate to the specific
abortion procedure(s) being offered to
you. If you have special concerns about
certain kinds of risk, let your healthcare
team know so that they can tell you more
...
Problems at the time of abortion are not
very common
...
Research evidence shows that having an
abortion does not increase your risk of
developing breast cancer.
from http://www.Cancer.Gov/cancertopics/
factsheet/risk/abortion-miscarriage in
february 2003, the national cancer
institute (nci) convened a workshop of
over 100 of the world's leading experts
who study pregnancy and breast cancer
risk. Workshop participants reviewed
existing population-based, clinical, and
animal studies on the relationship between
pregnancy and breast cancer risk,
including studies of induced and
spontaneous abortions. They concluded
that having an abortion or miscarriage
does not increase a woman's subsequent
risk of developing breast cancer
[t]he
only notice from the u.S. National cancer
institute is to question the methodology
of the studies that have found links
between abortion and breast cancer. Many
of them rely on women self-reporting
abortions, creating the possibility that
those who later developed breast cancer
will admit to having had an abortion and
those who have not developed breast cancer
will not. Others used samples too small
to be considered statistically valid.
"the relationship between abortion and
breast cancer has been the subject of
extensive research," according to a fact
sheet distributed by the national cancer
institute. "however, evidence of a direct
relationship between breast cancer and
either spontaneous or induced abortion is
inconsistent. Some studies have indicated
small elevations in risk, while others
have not shown any risk associated with
either induced or spontaneous
abortions."
from http://www.Cancer.
Gov/cancerinfo/wyntk/breast
-this one has tons of information about
breasts in general and breast cancer in
particular. Below i've highlighted
important info found under 'risks':
much
research has been done to learn whether
having an abortion or a miscarriage
affects a woman's chance of developing
breast cancer later on. Large,
well-designed studies have consistently
shown no link between abortion or
miscarriage and the development of breast
cancer.
misc
facts
from http://www.Findarticles.Com/p/a
rticles/mi_m3225/is_n1_v45/ai_11899635/pg_
1 studies
on compulsory parenthood in europe have
found that forcing a woman to continue a
pregnancy is more likely to be harmful to
a woman's mental health than choosing an
abortion. Abortion applicants who are
rejected often seek illegal abortions.
Morbidity is greater in women who carry
unwantd pregnancies to term. [1] women
forced into motherhood generally have less
stable marriages, poorer interaction with
their husbands, less involvement with
their children and a greater incidence of
depression. [4,27] unwanted children have
a higher incidence of physical or mental
impairment, and the families of these
children have a higher incidence of
psychiatric disorders, educational
deficiencies, criminal behavior and
alcoholism. [1,4]
from http:
//www.Nlm.Nih.Gov/medlineplus/ency/article
/000900.Htm the
incidence increases with each pregnancy,
and it is estimated that 1 in 20 women who
have had 6 or more previous deliveries are
at risk. The rate of placenta previa is
doubled in multiple pregnancy (carrying
more than one baby).
dr. J.Brind is the major proponent, it
appears, of the abortion/breast cancer
link. He is not a md, he's a ph.D and
his speciality is diabetes not
epidemiology. He is also a born-again
christian and the president of a pro-life
organization. He is not an unbiased
source. He's the fellow who calculated in
the 1995 december edition of the national
review (pp. 38-41) that women have 300
times the risk of dying from induced
abortion than childbirth.
Consider japan. In japan, 3/4 of all 50
year old women have had an abortion since
abortion is the main method of birth
control in that country, yet japanese
women have a much lower rate of breast
cancer than america does. They should be
dying at three times the rate were brind
correct.
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Thank you, this is well done and very
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Posted: 03-01-07 10:32am
no matter what anyone says, pass exists.
thanks for posting this. i just dislike
how the pro lifers use it as a tool to get
thier point across
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lola1985
wrote:
no matter what anyone says,
pass exists. thanks for posting this. i
just dislike how the pro lifers use it as
a tool to get thier point
across
Oh of course; there are people trying to
say that ptss
(post-traumatic-stress-syndrome) didn't
exist for vietnam soldiers. Did every
single one of them get it? No. Was every
single soldier affected in some way? Yes.
Same for pass.
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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 03-02-07 16:34pm
Eiri
wrote:
lola1985
wrote:
no matter what anyone says,
pass exists. thanks for posting this. i
just dislike how the pro lifers use it as
a tool to get thier point
across
Oh of course; there are people trying to
say that ptss
(post-traumatic-stress-syndrome) didn't
exist for vietnam soldiers. Did every
single one of them get it? No. Was every
single soldier affected in some way? Yes.
Same for
pass.
If a woman wants to be
diagnosed as having some psychological
problem stemming from an abortion, than
post traumatic stress syndrome already
exists to cover that diagnosis. However,
"pass" does not exist - in fact, it was
created by the prolife movement for
manipulative purposes both socially and
politically. Do some women regret their
abortions and have problems dealing with
their emotions? Yes. Do they need their
own special diagnosis? No - because the
.american .psychological .association has
already ruled, several
times, that the majority of all .women who
do
feel guilty after an abortion, had pre-existing
mental health problems to begin
with. Therefore, the abortion,
itself, did not cause them problems - they
already had problems that the abortion
either magnified or called into greater
focus.
I'm sorry but "pass" does .n.o.t exist.
No reputable doctor will diagnose you with
it because it does not actually exist.
The most common diagnosis for the few women
who experience problems following an
abortion is depression.
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jenn_smithson
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
lola1985
wrote:
no matter what anyone says,
pass exists. thanks for posting this. i
just dislike how the pro lifers use it as
a tool to get thier point
across
Oh of course; there are people trying to
say that ptss
(post-traumatic-stress-syndrome) didn't
exist for vietnam soldiers. Did every
single one of them get it? No. Was every
single soldier affected in some way? Yes.
Same for
pass.
If a woman wants to be diagnosed as having
some psychological problem stemming from
an abortion, than post traumatic stress
syndrome already exists to cover
that diagnosis. However, "pass" does not
exist - in fact, it was created by the
prolife movement for manipulative purposes
both socially and politically. Do some
women regret their abortions and have
problems dealing with their emotions?
Yes. Do they need their own special
diagnosis? No - because the .american
.psychological .association has already
ruled, several times, that the majority of
all .women who do feel guilty after an
abortion, had pre-existing mental health
problems to begin with. Therefore,
the
abortion, itself, did not cause them
problems - they already had problems that
the abortion either magnified or called
into greater focus.
I'm sorry but "pass" does .n.o.t exist.
No reputable doctor will diagnose you with
it because it does not actually exist.
The most common diagnosis for the few women
who experience problems following an
abortion is
depression.
So it's just semantics? I guess it's
stemming from the fact that ptss wasn't
called "post war stress syndrom". It very
well could be, though.
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jenn_smithson
wrote:
I'm sorry but "pass" does
.n.o.t exist. No reputable doctor will
diagnose you with it because it does not
actually exist. The most common diagnosis
for the few women who experience
problems following an abortion is
depression.
I think pas and ptss are directly related.
I think there are symptoms of pas that are
unique to that issue and differ from
depression symptoms.
I would be interested in reading more
about this. Do you have any sites jenn
that I could look at, especially in
regards to what you said here: "that the
majority of all .women who do feel guilty
after an abortion, had pre-existing mental
health problems to begin with. Therefore,
the abortion, itself, did not cause them
problems - they already had problems that
the abortion either magnified or called
into greater focus" ?
Thanks
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Posted: 03-04-07 19:57pm
Birch
wrote:
jenn_smithson
wrote:
I'm sorry but "pass" does
.n.o.t exist. No reputable doctor will
diagnose you with it because it does not
actually exist. The most common diagnosis
for the few women who experience
problems following an abortion is
depression.
I think pas and ptss are directly related.
I think there are symptoms of pas that are
unique to that issue and differ from
depression symptoms.
I would be interested in reading more
about this. Do you have any sites jenn
that I could look at, especially in
regards to what you said here: "that the
majority of all .women who do feel guilty
after an abortion, had pre-existing mental
health problems to begin with. Therefore,
the abortion, itself, did not cause them
problems - they already had problems that
the abortion either magnified or called
into greater focus" ?
Thanks
From the articles provided above:
"symptoms of distress and dysphoria after
abortion may be a continuation of
symptoms that were present before the
procedure, rather than a result of
the procedure itself. "
"for the small number of women who have a
history of serious psychiatric problems,
abortion has little effect on the course
of their psychiatric condition."
""When you search the Web for information
on 'abortion and mental health' you are
assaulted
with misinformation from anti-abortion
advocates," says psychologist Linda
J. Beckman, PhD, co-chair of the
Psychological Issues section of Div. 35's
Task Force on Reproductive Issues and
psychology professor at Alliant
International University. "This is our
attempt to let people know the facts.""
http://www.apa.org
/monitor/feb03/website.html
""Anti-abortion advocates allege that
post-abortion syndrome is a type of
post-traumatic stress disorder [PTSD],
though no
scientific basis exists for applying a
PTSD framework to understanding women's
emotional responses to a voluntarily
obtained legal abortion," she says.
To say that women's emotional responses
after a voluntary legal abortion are
incongruent with a PTSD framework is not
to say that abortion cannot be traumatic
or that it has no relationship to mental
health," continues Russo. "But
understanding women's responses requires
another framework, and we believe a
'stress and coping' framework is more
appropriate for conceptualizing the
findings in the scientific literature.""
"In the same chapter where the above
'diagnostic criteria' for PAS are given,
Rue lists a wide range of feelings, and
forms of behavior that he argues might be
evident in women who have had an abortion.
These include feelings of helplessness,
hopelessness, sadness, sorrow, lowered
self-esteem, distrust, regret,
relationship disruption, communication
impairment and/or restriction and self
condemnation (Rue 1995: 20).
Associating this broad range of
'symptoms' with a diagnosis of PAS is a
significant aspect of the argument, since
it lets its proponents argue that large
numbers of women may suffer from the
syndrome. To put it simply, as the
'diagnostic criteria' for PAS becomes
broader, it is easier to claim that many
women may suffer from the
'syndrome'."
Here: http://www.procho
iceforum.org.uk/psy_coun9.asp
More from the same site: "By the early
1980s it had become evident that there was
a degree of frustration amongst
anti-abortion activists that they had not
managed to overturn Roe v Wade. Arguably
this led to a diversification of their
arguments and tactics. The aim became not
simply to reverse Roe v. Wade on the
grounds of the right to life of the fetus,
but also to find other ways of arguing for
restricting access to abortion. The
argument that abortion should be
restricted because it leads to PAS
develops as part of this
strategy...According to Brian Wilcox of
the American Psychological Association
(APA), who contributed a literature review
on the psychological effects of abortion
to the Koop enquiry, anti-abortion
movement leaders had concluded that it
would in fact be impossible to muster an
anti-abortion consensus on moral grounds,
so they decided to follow the model
supplied by the antismoking campaign and
develop a case on public health grounds
(Holden 1989)...Boyle cites research by
Brewer, who found a five to six times greater
risk of psychosis after childbirth than
abortion. Other research has shown
that fairly serious psychological distress
has been reported in around 20 per cent of
women in the first year following
childbirth. Yet public discussion often
highlights the 'trauma' associated with
abortion, rather than the psychological
effects of maternity. Boyle argues that
the
strength of the perception that abortion
is psychologically problematic for women
rests on powerful ideas concerning the
desirability and 'naturalness' of
motherhood for women that have a long and
complex history."
"PAS could
only have emerged in the 1980s, because
its origin lies not in the practice of
abortion, or a change in its likely
psychological effects, but rather, in the
politics of the anti-abortion movement.
Its context is a time when moral claims
against abortion had reached a stalemate,
and when a new category of psychiatric
illness, PTSD, was being widely discussed
in American society."
"...in the
US in particular, the medical profession -
the American Psychological Association
(APA), the American Psychiatric
Association and the American Medical
Association - have all vigorously refuted
the claim. They have, very publicly and
visibly, made it clear that they do not
agree that abortion leads to severe
psychological damage, and that there is no
evidence for PAS."
~~~~~ There literally are so many journal
articles and studies that I could not, in
several lifetimes, relate them all here.
Suffice it to say that PAS does not exist
and has never existed anywhere
legitimate - it has only
existed in the minds of "prolifers", their
movement, and those they convince of its
existence.
Honestly, if you read the "prolife"
materials, even .I technically have/had
.p.a.s because I did feel a bit sad the
day of my abortion. I think you all know,
however, that I felt enormous relief
following my abortion and would do it
again .a.n.d recommend it to .women who
ask me about it! Since the definition of
.p.a.s was developed by "prolifers" .a.n.y
woman who does not fit their perception of
a "normal", "natural" woman must
suffer from it following an abortion
because the .o.n.l.y natural outcome of
an unplanned pregnancy is the healthy
birth of a baby and an overjoyed mother.
The reality, however, is much
different than the "prolifers" want to
admit.
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Posted: 03-04-07 20:14pm
Eiri
wrote:
So it's just semantics? I
guess it's stemming from the fact that
ptss wasn't called "post war stress
syndrom". It very well could be,
though.
No, not entirely. With
ptss, the acts of war (or of seeing
someone shot/killed violently in front of
you, etc) cause a great psychological
trauma. There are specific
and tested symptoms of this syndrome.
However, in pas, the "prolifers" would
like us to believe that the act of
obtaining an abortion is so
traumatic, so horrible, that nearly
every woman views it and
experiences it the same as people in war.
This is not true, it has never
been true.
It relates directly to how they view
women and want everyone else to view them
as well. To them, women are put on this
earth to become pregnant, give birth, and
raise the children. That's all women, not
most, not some, but .a.l.l.
Therefore, women who act contradictory to
their beliefs and feelings about women are
"unnatural" or "abnormal." Thus, a
legitimate decision - such as obtaining an
abortion - that falls beyond their chosen
understanding .m.u.s.t be harmful to the
person choosing it - the woman - because
it falls outside of what they consider an
appropriate or "normal/natural" response
from women to be. The reality,
however, is very different.
Also, since the "prolife" movement,
instead of a medical agency or
association, has defined .p.a.s, it can
make the definition as wide or as narrow
as it wants to. In the majority of cases,
they make that definition as wide as they
can so that it encompasses as many women
as possible. If nearly all women are
"suffering" from ".p.a.s" then the
government has to do something about this
health problem!
Unlike a legitimate medical agency or
association, the "prolifers" who believe
in ".p.a.s" don't have to show any actual
facts. They can just keep repeating
themselves over and over again until they
convince more people. They don't really
care that the government and all of these
other agencies refute their claims over
and over again because it's not really the
government they're trying to convince
anymore. This is a cultural battle and
thus, it is people - who make up the
culture - that matter.
The same is true with the abortion =
breast cancer link as well. They have no
real, legitimate proof of their claims and
yet, how many people still
believe that crap? Tons. In fact there
was a news story quite recently about a
woman in the Houston area who was trying
to sue the doctor who performed her
abortion because she developed breast
cancer in her early 50's, about 15 years
after her abortion. It keeps coming up
time and time again even though the people
responsible have no proof, only faith.
.p.a.s has not been recognized by any
legitimate medical agency or association,
nor is it in the dsm. Therefore it does
not actually exist as a legitimate
diagnosis.
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Thanks for the info, jenn.
I wonder as abortion becomes less
stigmatized and women discuss them more
openly, if the dsm won't be revised once
more. Maybe the prolife mvt just put a
name on something women were already
feeling?
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Posted: 03-05-07 00:04am
Birch
wrote:
Thanks for the info, jenn.
I wonder as abortion becomes less
stigmatized and women discuss them more
openly, if the dsm won't be revised once
more. Maybe the prolife mvt just put a
name on something women were already
feeling?
The problem with this is
that the medical establishment has already
studied abortion. They've found,
repeatedly, that for .women who obtain an
abortion, the stressful event is the unintended
pregnancy, and abortion is
typically seen as the solution to that
stressful event. That's why the most
common response following an abortion is
relief.
To make "pas" into an actual diagnosis it
would have to be proven that the stress,
"trauma," or "symptoms" arose directly
because
of the abortion. This isn't what
happens, though, for the majority of all
.women who obtain an abortion.
I don't know of any woman who found out
that she was unintentionally pregnant and
didn't have any stress because of it.
Even women who keep their unplanned
pregnancies are put into stressful
situations because of it. The stress and
trauma begin long before the actual
abortion procedure and that's why "pas"
doesn't exist. For it to exist, it would
have to be proven that the stress came
specifically from the abortion and it
doesn't. The stress and trauma come before
the woman even makes her decision because
unplanned pregnancies, themselves, are
stressful even in the best of
circumstances.
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You are saying many true things jenn
however... some women are going to become
sad and depressed more because of the
abortion and not just because of
the pregnancy. For some women, that
expereince is going to be traumatic
enough to cause ptss. If you want to
remain calling it ptss fine. I don't
disagree. But your words seem to try to
say that no sane woman could ever possibly
develop ptss after an abortion; your words
imply that every woman who develops ptss
after an abortion does so because they are
previously off their rockers.
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jenn_smithson
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
Thanks for the info, jenn.
I wonder as abortion becomes less
stigmatized and women discuss them more
openly, if the dsm won't be revised once
more. Maybe the prolife mvt just put a
name on something women were already
feeling?
The problem with this is
that the medical establishment has already
studied abortion. They've found,
repeatedly, that for .women who obtain an
abortion, the stressful event is the unintended
pregnancy, and abortion is
typically seen as the solution to that
stressful event. That's why the most
common response following an abortion is
relief.
To make "pas" into an actual diagnosis it
would have to be proven that the stress,
"trauma," or "symptoms" arose directly
because
of the abortion. This isn't what
happens, though, for the majority of all
.women who obtain an abortion.
I don't know of any woman who found out
that she was unintentionally pregnant and
didn't have any stress because of it.
Even women who keep their unplanned
pregnancies are put into stressful
situations because of it. The stress and
trauma begin long before the actual
abortion procedure and that's why "pas"
doesn't exist. For it to exist, it would
have to be proven that the stress came
specifically from the abortion and it
doesn't. The stress and trauma come before
the woman even makes her decision because
unplanned pregnancies, themselves, are
stressful even in the best of
circumstances.
Hmm, I see. Perhaps the whole of pas
defined could include the unintended
pregnancy and the termination of said
pregnancy?
Here's my take: woman may be stressed b/c
of pregnancy, and she decides to obtain an
abortion. In retrospect, she starts
thinking about the abortion, and comes to
the conclusion that it was a terrible
mistake and has caused all kinds of
problems for her. She becomes depressed,
she drops out of school, starts drinking,
she starts having sex irresponsibly to
"replace" the baby. The impetus of her
depression is the abortion. You'd think.
It would be difficult to separate out the
triggers; was it the unintended pregnancy,
the abortion, or was she unstable to begin
with?
Do those even things matter? She blames
the abortion for her problems. She would
not be behaving destructively if she had
remained pregnant.
She's not blaming the pregnancy; she would
rather have it back. When looking back
retrospectively, it's hard to see what's
specifically going on.
I honestly think that some women, mentally
healthy beforehnd, have an abortion, and
that abortion itself causes these issues,
and that these issues have a direct
correlation to the abortion, and are not
caused by outside stimuli, and that pas is
a specific problem with symptomology
unique to this situation.
(Sorry for the run on sentence.)
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Tylanas
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Posted: 03-05-07 13:13pm
No problem lol.
As I said, I agree with you. Jenn might
not like it because it makes it sound bad
for aborting to cause something like pas,
but think about it: any traumatic event in
life - and abortion can be traumatic - can
cause ptss. Is it wrong, therefor, to
define a specific type of ptss related
directly to abortion? I suppose that is
the real issue here.
Sometimes, sane women become pregnant, and
sanely decide to abort. Afterwards, or
perhaps during the abortion, they guilt
themselvs about it so much that they
develop ptss. Jenn doesn't want this
called pas because then it makes abortion
sound bad. To me, it simply means that
women who feel bad or worse after an
abortion need to be given proper
psychiatric care to prevent ptss. Calling
it pas seems fine to me. I'd prefer that
there be other kinds of specific ptss'.
Like, pws (post-war-stress) etc.
Some people may say "comparing an abortion
to a warzone is wrong!" But for some
women, it can be just as stressful!
Denying that it might be that traumatic is
wrong.