my neighbors have a history
of terribly abusing their dog. Last dog
was chained out to a falling down doghouse
in the very hot summer. Flies were eating
it's body. It had no water. It was
eating dead rats for sustenance. I called
the.S.P.C.A. They took the dog and
undoubtedly put her down.
Neighbors have new dog. Same chain, same
doghouse. Now it is winter, and very,
very cold. The dog is very short fur. I
am sure they are breeding her for baiting.
She has no water (frozen) and I have
never seen food. She is a very friendly
dog but will not be for much longer. I
have called the.S.P.C.A. They will not
take her, because they have determined
that "no laws are being broken". They are
automatons; robots without independent
thinking skills. I have a whole lot to
say on that, but I will spare the details.
We are going to steal this dog, and my
conscience will be clean. I would
certainly like to chain these "people" to
the doghouse, and leave them outside to
feast on animal carcasses. Then I would
like to blow off their kneecaps and
elbows. They can live like that for, oh,
a week. Then I will mercifully end their
lives.
Okay, that last part will probably make me
feel good, but my conscience won't be so
clean...So i'll probably forgo that bit.
:d
(end of offtopic ranting)
wow.George.Bush lives, I know what I do is
illegal but hey its for the greater good,
the ends justify the means.What next
hey.Birch kidnap a child you believe is
being abused because the authoritys state
that no crimes being broken, are you going
to go further and shoot someone you
believe guilty of murder but
found not guilty.
While I understand your frustration at
what you see has a poor defencless animal
being mistreated breaking the law yourself
is not the way to deal with it, two wrongs
do not make a right, is this not the
reason that pro life nutjobs give in court
after bombing another clinic "" I believe
they are committing a crime but the state
says they are not "" this makes you no
better than those nutjobs because you will
break the law for a cause you feel really
strongly about just like those nutjobs
because they believe in their cause just
as strongly.
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Mommy35
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Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 3165 Location: Vacationland, USA,
Posted: 02-19-07 08:13am
I say steal that dog!!! Good for you!!!
I think it's horrible when people have
pets they can't or won't take care of.
They just have them sitting on their front
lawn as a trophy. It's b.S.
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Jules
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Posted: 02-19-07 09:30am
If everyone just stood by and did not help
those who are suffering (whether human or
not), then the world would be in an even
sorrier state than it is now. Someone has
to be the protector of those that can not
defend themselves, for whom the law is not
on their side and whose lives are made
miserable at the hands of others.
Birch - you're my bloody hero!
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tigresacanela24
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 5261 Location: Treat your children well, eventually they'll choose your nursing home.
Posted: 02-19-07 10:39am
PurestGreen
wrote:
If everyone just stood by
and did not help those who are suffering
(whether human or not), then the world
would be in an even sorrier state than it
is now. Someone has to be the protector
of those that can not defend themselves,
for whom the law is not on their side and
whose lives are made miserable at the
hands of others.
Birch - you're my bloody
hero!
Give the dog to me! I'll take care of it!
Nothing makes me angrier than people who
abuse the defenseless. If you steal this
dog then I'm with green, you're a hero!
I'll even buy doggie supplies and ship
them to you! If you don't want to steal
the dog, you can always place and
anonymous call to a local news station.
They love stories like that here. Abused
animals and how our governmental system
doesn't protect them...
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jenn_smithson
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 808 Location: Texas
Posted: 02-19-07 11:29am
cowboys
wrote:
wow.George.Bush lives, I
know what I do is illegal but hey its for
the greater good, the ends justify the
means.
Isn't this the exact
same thing that "prolifers" advocate?
That the ends, supposedly "stopping"
abortion, justifies the means -
legislation, bombing clinics, shooting
doctors, intimidating women? Or that by
making abortion illegal (the ends),
justifies the deaths of countless .women?
Quote:
this makes you
no better than those nutjobs because you
will break the law for a cause you feel
really strongly about just like those
nutjobs because they believe in their
cause just as
strongly.
My parents were arrested
for protesting outside of a chemical plant
near our house. The owners of the plant
had already shut it down due to faulty/old
equipment, leaks, and other environmental
problems. They wanted to set fire to the
ground there which would have released
mercury (among other lethal compounds)
into the air and eventually into our water
supply. My parents "trespassing" to call
attention to this potentially fatal
decision probably saved my brother's life
and my own as children are usually the
first to succumb to fatal environmental
problems. Are my parents really no better
than the corporation who tried to kill us
just to make a few more bucks?
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 02-19-07 11:33am
jenn_smithson
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
wow.George.Bush lives, I
know what I do is illegal but hey its for
the greater good, the ends justify the
means.
Isn't this the exact
same thing that "prolifers" advocate?
That the ends, supposedly "stopping"
abortion, justifies the means -
legislation, bombing clinics, shooting
doctors, intimidating women? Or that by
making abortion illegal (the ends),
justifies the deaths of countless .women?
Quote:
this makes you
no better than those nutjobs because you
will break the law for a cause you feel
really strongly about just like those
nutjobs because they believe in their
cause just as
strongly.
My parents were arrested
for protesting outside of a chemical plant
near our house. The owners of the plant
had already shut it down due to faulty/old
equipment, leaks, and other environmental
problems. They wanted to set fire to the
ground there which would have released
mercury (among other lethal compounds)
into the air and eventually into our water
supply. My parents "trespassing" to call
attention to this potentially fatal
decision probably saved my brother's life
and my own as children are usually the
first to succumb to fatal environmental
problems. Are my parents really no better
than the corporation who tried to kill us
just to make a few more
bucks?
Damn are you schizo because you answered
your question yourself in the first part
of the post, so you are saying that
nutjobs are all right as long as its for a
pro choicer, how the hell is stealing a
dog going to save anyones life, worst
analogy i have ever heard.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-19-07 11:39am
Birch, you all know we're on your side
here!
When there is visible abuse, and known
past abuse, then I do not see how it is
bad.
I'm going to use a gaming-refrence here,
because I feel it applies to real life.
There are different kinds of "alignments"
in a game.
Chaotic-good - you're going to do whatever
you feel like is the best desicion, no
matter rules or laws. The greater good is
more important to you; so you'll free
slaves even if the local law says slavery
is legal.
Lawful-good - you'll follow the rules no
matter what they are; with the intent of
using these rules for the greater good.
But if slavery is the law, you won't free
a slave (out-rightly). You'll go through
the books to get the slave freed legally.
there is also lawful-evil and
chaotic-evil. Some pro-lifers remind me of
lawful-evil. They're following the rules,
sure... but they bend them for their own
dastardly plans. They're even happy when
evil laws come into play, becuse that
makes it even easier. Evil here is very
clear: the restriction of human rights,
the discrimination against groups of
people, and the increased control of the
evil ruler(s).
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 02-19-07 11:47am
Eiri
wrote:
Birch, you all know we're on
your side here!
When there is visible abuse, and known
past abuse, then I do not see how it is
bad.
I'm going to use a gaming-refrence here,
because I feel it applies to real life.
There are different kinds of "alignments"
in a game.
Chaotic-good - you're going to do whatever
you feel like is the best desicion, no
matter rules or laws. The greater good is
more important to you; so you'll free
slaves even if the local law says slavery
is legal.
Lawful-good - you'll follow the rules no
matter what they are; with the intent of
using these rules for the greater good.
But if slavery is the law, you won't free
a slave (out-rightly). You'll go through
the books to get the slave freed legally.
there is also lawful-evil and
chaotic-evil. Some pro-lifers remind me of
lawful-evil. They're following the rules,
sure... but they bend them for their own
dastardly plans. They're even happy when
evil laws come into play, becuse that
makes it even easier. Evil here is very
clear: the restriction of human rights,
the discrimination against groups of
people, and the increased control of the
evil
ruler(s).
Keep it up guys your doing our job for us,
eiri you use the word evil when it suits
but claim that there is no such thing when
its used by pro life [ can we say
hypocrite ].The rest of you lot are really
doing a good job showing how your values
are, you are sat here planning to commit a
crime over a dog yet think nothing of
aborting a fetus, you lot care more for
animals than human life and that is
twisted but shows the mentality of pro
choice, commit crimes because you know
better than the authorities, encourage
each other to commit offences, this thread
has shown you lot up for what you really
are, arrogant,hypocriticall criminals.The
lot of you are sick and twisted you care
more for animal life than human life.
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Jules
Moderator
Joined: 19 Aug 2006 Posts: 3752 Location: Merrie Englande, UK
Thanks: 75
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Posted: 02-19-07 12:21pm
cowboys
wrote:
Keep it up guys your doing our job for us,
eiri you use the word evil when it suits
but claim that there is no such thing when
its used by pro life [ can we say
hypocrite ].The rest of you lot are really
doing a good job showing how fucked up
your values are, you are sat here planning
to commit a crime over a dog yet think
nothing of aborting a fetus, you lot care
more for animals than human life and that
is twisted but shows the mentality of pro
choice, commit crimes because you know
better than the authorities, encourage
each other to commit offences, this thread
has shown you lot up for what you really
are, arrogant,hypocriticall criminals.The
lot of you are sick and twisted you care
more for animal life than human
life.
Bad day .Cowboys?
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jenn_smithson
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 808 Location: Texas
Posted: 02-19-07 14:00pm
cowboys
wrote:
jenn_smithson
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
wow.George.Bush lives, I
know what I do is illegal but hey its for
the greater good, the ends justify the
means.
Isn't this the exact
same thing that "prolifers" advocate?
That the ends, supposedly "stopping"
abortion, justifies the means -
legislation, bombing clinics, shooting
doctors, intimidating women? Or that by
making abortion illegal (the ends),
justifies the deaths of countless .women?
Quote:
this makes you
no better than those nutjobs because you
will break the law for a cause you feel
really strongly about just like those
nutjobs because they believe in their
cause just as
strongly.
My parents were arrested
for protesting outside of a chemical plant
near our house. The owners of the plant
had already shut it down due to faulty/old
equipment, leaks, and other environmental
problems. They wanted to set fire to the
ground there which would have released
mercury (among other lethal compounds)
into the air and eventually into our water
supply. My parents "trespassing" to call
attention to this potentially fatal
decision probably saved my brother's life
and my own as children are usually the
first to succumb to fatal environmental
problems. Are my parents really no better
than the corporation who tried to kill us
just to make a few more
bucks?
Damn are you schizo because you answered
your question yourself in the first part
of the post, so you are saying that
nutjobs are all right as long as its for a
pro choicer,
No, I didn't say that at
all. I just wanted to point out the
hypocrisy in someone like you condemning
vigilanteism when many radical "prolifers"
have no problem with their ends justifying
whatever they did to bring them about
.a.n.d even if it necessarily means the
deaths of .actual .women.
Quote:
how the hell is
stealing a dog going to save anyones
life,
It saves the dog's life
and it doesn't end anyone elses.
Conversely, making abortion illegal will
neither stop them or ensure the safety of
those who undergo them. In short, making
abortion illegal (the ends the "prolife"
movement would like to see) will not save
one life and will actually cost many
others.
And, if stealing a dog is not going to
impact anyone's life (positively or
negatively), then where is the harm?
Quote:
worst analogy i
have ever
heard.
That's simply because you
lack the capacity to fully understand it
without me using monosyllabic words.
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Birch
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Posted: 02-19-07 14:15pm
Wow, I came on here and was totally
surprised to see this. Thanks everyone
for your support.
To humor you, cowboys, let me ask you just
one question: what would you do to resolve
this situation?
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Birch
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Proud to Be a Vigilante Posted: 02-19-07 14:30pm
By the way, here's what is going on with
the dog; we absolutely need to find a home
for it before we take it. We have eight
dogs and ten cats in our two bedroom
house, and are not able to take in
another. they are all rescues and have
various issues.
I am currently lambasting the area for
help. The problem is she is a pit bull.
This is the root of the problem with the
.S.P.C.A as well. Inside info is that the
organization is willing to overlook abuse
cases with pits and pit mixes because then
they put themselves in a situation where
they will be forced to put the animal
down. It's a big political issue here as
well.
There is alot of other issues going on
here as well. Politics I think play a big
part in it, and I'm learning more and more
about it everyday as my contacts get back
with me.
In this situation there is a creature
suffering and no one is doing a bloody
thing. My hands are legally tied. It
seems like you would stand idly by and
watch. You are everything you say you
don't support.
Giddy up, cowboys!
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Tylanas
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Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 12985
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Posted: 02-19-07 17:51pm
cowboys
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
Birch, you all know we're on
your side here!
When there is visible abuse, and known
past abuse, then I do not see how it is
bad.
I'm going to use a gaming-refrence here,
because I feel it applies to real life.
There are different kinds of "alignments"
in a game.
Chaotic-good - you're going to do whatever
you feel like is the best desicion, no
matter rules or laws. The greater good is
more important to you; so you'll free
slaves even if the local law says slavery
is legal.
Lawful-good - you'll follow the rules no
matter what they are; with the intent of
using these rules for the greater good.
But if slavery is the law, you won't free
a slave (out-rightly). You'll go through
the books to get the slave freed legally.
there is also lawful-evil and
chaotic-evil. Some pro-lifers remind me of
lawful-evil. They're following the rules,
sure... but they bend them for their own
dastardly plans. They're even happy when
evil laws come into play, becuse that
makes it even easier. Evil here is very
clear: the restriction of human rights,
the discrimination against groups of
people, and the increased control of the
evil
ruler(s).
Keep it up guys your doing our job for us,
eiri you use the word evil when it suits
but claim that there is no such thing when
its used by pro life [ can we say
hypocrite ].The rest of you lot are really
doing a good job showing how fucked up
your values are, you are sat here planning
to commit a crime over a dog yet think
nothing of aborting a fetus, you lot care
more for animals than human life and that
is twisted but shows the mentality of pro
choice, commit crimes because you know
better than the authorities, encourage
each other to commit offences, this thread
has shown you lot up for what you really
are, arrogant,hypocriticall criminals.The
lot of you are sick and twisted you care
more for animal life than human
life.
I'm decribing alignments from dungeons
& dragons, cowboys. I don't actually
mean "evil", it's the word that dungeons
& dragons use... and I clearly stated
it was a game reference, so if you're dumb
enough to think that I was talking about
real evil... then yeah, enough said.
next: Evil exists in a game.
"evil" in the sense of a real god causing
people to act bad, does not exist.
Moving on: We want to rescue a born
dog. I would also want to save a fetus
that was inside a mother who was abusing
herself, but it's just not posible, and
the best choice is for the fetus to die
before it can feel pain. I want to rescue
born children who are abused, anyone who
is born and being hurt, abused, or
mistreated.
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diamond splinter
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Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 611 Location: ,
Posted: 02-20-07 08:57am
Advocating crime is in fact a crime in
itself well done to the pro human death
group.
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Birch
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Posted: 02-20-07 10:43am
diamond splinter
wrote:
Advocating crime is in fact
a crime in itself well done to the pro
human death
group.
Advocating idleness in the face of
suffering is a crime against nature. The
care of sentient life trumps manmade
laws.
I cannot believe you and cowboys are both
so simple minded as to blindly follow
manmade laws without question. I know
you're both just using this situation as a
lame excuse to bombast "prochoice".
It's not working; you both now look like
ridiculous fools, and I didn't even have
to say anything.
Advocating crime is in fact
a crime in itself well done to the pro
human death
group.
And I take it that you are included in
that since you have just ordered Birch, a
breathing, cognitive, self-aware, feeling,
knowing, pain-feeling person, to kill
herself. Well done, contradictive
hypocrite. Does that make you one of us,
now?
Kypros.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-20-07 17:11pm
Haha! You win birch, you win.
Blind obedience is wrong.
Blind belief is wrong.
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Cambion
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Posted: 02-20-07 22:59pm
Quote:
To humor you,
cowboys, let me ask you just one question:
what would you do to resolve this
situation?
I'll answer that: He would turn the other
way and ignore it. If it doesn't deal with
saving some bloody fetus, it's not worth
his time, effort, or resources. Besides,
to him it's just a dog - a dog isn't
worthy of saving (legally or not) because
it isn't a holy beloved cancer-curing
world-saving fetus.
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tigresacanela24
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 5261 Location: Treat your children well, eventually they'll choose your nursing home.
Posted: 02-21-07 12:37pm
There are tons of pit rescue programs.
link to this site for addresses and
emails
Again, if you're not too far from pa you
can ship her to me or i could try to pick
her up. i'm very experienced with pits.
i love them. they're my favorite breed.
when they're not abused they're fantastic
dogs. and even when they have been it's
possible to work with them to get them to
trust again. or even turn them into
working dogs.
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Birch
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Posted: 02-21-07 16:00pm
tigresacanela24
wrote:
There are tons of pit rescue
programs. link to this site for addresses
and emails
Again, if you're not too far from pa you
can ship her to me or i could try to pick
her up. i'm very experienced with pits.
i love them. they're my favorite breed.
when they're not abused they're fantastic
dogs. and even when they have been it's
possible to work with them to get them to
trust again. or even turn them into
working dogs.
Bad day .Cowboys?
