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Baby Born At 21 Weeks And Survives!
Posted: 02-20-07 10:54am
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My mum told me about this story that she
read in .The .Mail and I found this
online. It's amazing but it poses the
question: should the deadline for elective
abortions be reduced? It's currently 24
weeks in the .U.K.
http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/stor
y.asp?j=210942916&p=zyx9436zz
A premature baby that US doctors say spent
less time in the womb than any other
surviving infant is to be released from a
Florida hospital today.
Amillia Sonja Taylor was just
nine-and-a-half inches long and weighed
less than 10 ounces when she was born on
October 24. She was delivered 21 weeks and
six days after conception. Full-term
births come after 37 to 40 weeks.
“We weren’t too optimistic,” Dr
William Smalling said in Miami. “But she
proved us all wrong.”
Neonatologists who cared for Amillia said
she was the first baby known to survive
after a gestation period of fewer than 23
weeks. A database run by the University of
Iowa’s Department of Paediatrics lists
seven babies born at 23 weeks between 1994
and 2003.
Amillia has experienced respiratory
problems, a very mild brain haemorrhage
and some digestive problems, but none of
the health concerns are expected to pose
long-term problems, her doctors said.
“We can deal with lungs and things like
that but, of course, the brain is the most
important,” Dr. Paul Fassbach. “But
her prognosis is excellent.”
Amillia has been in an incubator since
birth and has been receiving oxygen. She
will continue getting a small amount of
oxygen, and her breathing will be
monitored once she leaves Baptist
Children’s Hospital. She now is between
25 inches long and weighs more than four
pounds.
“She’s going to be in a normal crib,
she’s going to have normal feedings,
she’s taking all her feedings from a
bottle,” Dr Smalling said.
Amillia is the first child for Eddie and
Sonja Taylor of Homestead. She was
conceived by in vitro fertilisation, which
made it possible to pinpoint her exact
time in the womb, and was delivered by
Caesarean section.
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Posted: 02-20-07 14:34pm
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This is really great! I have always been
leery of later abortions. 21 weeks is
five months, four of which one most likely
knew they were pregnant. Most likely...
I would be in favor of revising laws that
would limit 21 week abortions to certain
circumstances only. As medical science
advances it only makes sense. To me.
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Posted: 02-20-07 15:17pm
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Did you not read how the babies scalp was
ripped from its head during the trauma of
birth.(which was through a c-sec.)
I am still for abortion regardless of
gestation.
This child will likely have neurological
problems and damage in the future.
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Posted: 02-20-07 15:47pm
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I'm with Cari all the way on this. At the
end of the day, the argument that abortion
should not be allowed when the foetus is
viable is (in my honest opinion) totally
pointless; it is still a parasite right up
until it is born, thus a woman has a right
to do as she pleases with her own body.
Even if you disagree with late-term
abortions, you should not be wanting to
enforce this view on all other women via
the law, and allow the women to make their
own decisions.
On another note, it is great news and
miraculous, in a sense. I watched the
story on the news and the little baby was
only just taller than a pen.
Kypros.
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Posted: 02-20-07 16:49pm
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It's a tricky area because, even though
the prognosis for this baby is really
good, i would be very surprised if she
doesn't have some kind of problems later
on. Mind you, without the benefit of
hindsight in every case, it's impossible
to know whether the right thing to do is
to give such early babies a chance or
not.
I was talking with a friend about this
case this evening and he said he couldn't
see how this case should make any
difference because most abortions take
place regardless of whether the baby could
survive or not. That is to say the baby
is not wanted and so it doesn't matter at
what stage it is aborted. I can't agree
with that because I think that if the
foetus is at a stage where it can survive
outside the womb, without high risk of
severe disability, then it should be
delivered by c-section and adopted out.
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Posted: 02-20-07 17:17pm
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| PurestGreen
wrote: | It's a tricky area because,
even though the prognosis for this baby is
really good, i would be very surprised if
she doesn't have some kind of problems
later on. Mind you, without the benefit
of hindsight in every case, it's
impossible to know whether the right thing
to do is to give such early babies a
chance or not.
I was talking with a friend about this
case this evening and he said he couldn't
see how this case should make any
difference because most abortions take
place regardless of whether the baby could
survive or not. That is to say the baby
is not wanted and so it doesn't matter at
what stage it is aborted. I can't agree
with that because I think that if the
foetus is at a stage where it can survive
outside the womb, without high risk of
severe disability, then it should be
delivered by c-section and adopted
out. |
Yes, I thoughroully agree!
I was happy when I saw the article too; I
did miss the part about the head trauma
detail, I simply read on one site that it
healed very quickly. The extent of the
damage was not noted.
I've never been a fan of abortion past
21-25 weeks anyway, many of you know that
I don't think it should be illegal
persay, but I do think that induced
labor/c-sections to remove living babies
should be made available as an alterntive
to abortion starting at about 25 weeks.
This could be a solution that both sides
will like.
All of you anti-adoption people, just
please try to see the other side of the
issue here.
Yeah, it'll cost a ton of money;
personally, I think money plays too big a
role in your world. I'm definatley not a
commercialist, unlike most of america.
Care should be given because it is needed,
not so a doctor can make some cash.
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Posted: 02-20-07 17:38pm
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| PurestGreen
wrote: | | It's a tricky area because,
even though the prognosis for this baby is
really good, i would be very surprised if
she doesn't have some kind of problems
later on. |
She most certainly will
have some problems, the only
issue is the extent of those problems.
Will they make her have a worse quality of
life? Will she be in pain? Will she
require an inordinate amount of medical
care, surgeries, or therapy?
The last child to be born at 23 weeks had
such massive trauma that his medical
treatments alone over the first 2 years of
his life are going to be millions of
dollars and that's without considering the
massive therapy he will need to be able to
live a normal life (if he ever will).
Also, she was delivered in October. Which
means that she has had nearly 4 months of
constant medical care and supervision just
to be able to survive this far.
We're going to be seeing more and more
cases like this since an inability to
become or maintain a pregnancy is no
longer stopping people. Infertility used
to be a much harder barrier to overcome
but with in vitro and other treatments, it
is now possible for "infertile" couples to
attempt to have their own biological
children.
I wish this child all the luck and good
health in the world because she's going to
need it.
| Quote: | | I was talking
with a friend about this case this evening
and he said he couldn't see how this case
should make any difference because most
abortions take place regardless of whether
the baby could survive or not. That is to
say the baby is not wanted and so it
doesn't matter at what stage it is
aborted. I can't agree with that because
I think that if the foetus is at a stage
where it can survive outside the womb,
without high risk of severe disability,
then it should be delivered by c-section
and adopted out. |
Your friend needs to know
that the vast majority of abortions take
place long before viability and
that the few women who do obtain later
abortions usually have some grave and
unfortunate reason why they
need the abortion. Women just don't wait
around for 24 weeks and decide while
eating their cherio's that they will have
an abortion that day. Most second
trimester and .a.l.l third trimester
abortions occur with good reasons as to
why they are unfortunately
necessary. These pregnancies at this late
state were wanted but something
went tragically wrong.
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Posted: 02-20-07 22:53pm
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If the child was born and survived with
absolutely no medical assistance, then it
would be a miracle. Otherwise, it's stupid
people forcing a child to live that
probably shouldn't have. This infant was
born very severely premature - babies that
are born even a couple weeks early can
have a myriad of problems, so I don't want
to hear for a second this infant born four
months premature has no problems. Of
course the little mutant was conceived via
invitro - that comes as no surprise to me,
since IVF babies have the highest rate of
problems and premature births. The kid is
practically a science experiment.
| Quote: | | a very mild brain
haemorrhage |
Sorry, but a person doesn't have a
hemorrhage in the brain and have no
problems following it. What is their
definition of a 'mild' brain hemorrhage -
having only half the body paralyzed as
opposed to all of it?
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Posted: 02-20-07 23:28pm
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| Cambion
wrote: | If the child was born and
survived with absolutely no medical
assistance, then it would be a miracle.
Otherwise, it's stupid people forcing a
child to live that probably shouldn't
have. This infant was born very severely
premature - babies that are born even a
couple weeks early can have a myriad of
problems, so I don't want to hear for a
second this infant born four months
premature has no problems. Of course the
little mutant was conceived via invitro -
that comes as no surprise to me, since IVF
babies have the highest rate of problems
and premature births. The kid is
practically a science experiment.
| Quote: | | a very mild brain
haemorrhage |
Sorry, but a person doesn't have a
hemorrhage in the brain and have no
problems following it. What is their
definition of a 'mild' brain hemorrhage -
having only half the body paralyzed as
opposed to all of
it? |
i have to question why there is so much
negativity in your life cambion. You can't
think that the child will be okay? The
child for sure will eventually have
problems. I have them and I was born very
healthy. Now I have digestive issues. As I
get older more will come along. There is
plenty of people who are born healthy and
now face all kinds of serious health
issues. Just be happy for the child. My
coworker decided not to abort a child
after knowing she had x-rays done without
knowing she was pregnant. She was advised
to abort by every doctor. She had the baby
and til today the boy is healthy and fine
having a great life. No one knows peoples
destinies. You are here today tomorrow you
don't know.
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Posted: 02-21-07 08:51am
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That's wonderful that the baby survived in
this case.
It doers not alter my view on abortion
though.
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Posted: 02-21-07 10:30am
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| Quote: | | i have to
question why there is so much negativity
in your life cambion. You can't think that
the child will be okay? The child for sure
will eventually have problems. I have them
and I was born very healthy. Now I have
digestive issues. As I get older more will
come along. There is plenty of people who
are born healthy and now face all kinds of
serious health issues. Just be happy for
the child. My coworker decided not to
abort a child after knowing she had x-rays
done without knowing she was pregnant. She
was advised to abort by every doctor. She
had the baby and til today the boy is
healthy and fine having a great life. No
one knows peoples destinies. You are here
today tomorrow you don't know.
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I can't think that child will be okay
because I know it won't be okay. Why hope
for something that will never happen? The
fact the infant was born so premature
promises many problems by itself, but also
suffering a hemorrhage in the brain during
the birth...well - I think you'll sooner
find the snowball in hell than you will
the 4-month-premature brain-damaged baby
that has no problems.
I feel bad for the child because its fool
parents chose to keep it alive in the face
of extreme health problems. I wonder if
this will still be a miracle in the event
the child's system fails and it becomes a
vegetable and medical bills start running
up into the millions.
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Posted: 02-21-07 16:47pm
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I feel bad for the child because its fool
parents chose to keep it alive in the face
of extreme health problems. I wonder if
this will still be a miracle in the event
the child's system fails and it becomes a
vegetable and medical bills start running
up into the millions.[/quote]
they chose to keep the baby alive because
its their child... regardless of any long
term problems or even if the child
survives to grow up!!! i too would have
done the same thing... just because
something doesnt go to plan thats no
reason to chuck it to the side and give
up... we aint talking about a piece of
meat we are talking about a child!
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Posted: 02-21-07 18:25pm
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just a question....because i am not clear
on this.
was the baby being born because the mother
wanted to abort it? Or because there was
a risk of birthdefects or because there
could/would have been harm to the mother?
If the mother was aborting the child why
would she wish to take the child home.
I am very confused and just wanted to have
this cleared up.
sorry.
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Posted: 02-21-07 20:05pm
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| Cambion
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I can't think that child will be okay
because I know it won't be okay. Why hope
for something that will never happen? The
fact the infant was born so premature
promises many problems by itself, but also
suffering a hemorrhage in the brain during
the birth...well - I think you'll sooner
find the snowball in hell than you will
the 4-month-premature brain-damaged baby
that has no problems.
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cambion the baby is .O.K.!!!!! And the
doctors have declared that the baby will
not have long term alignments from being
born prematurely. Now you going to tell me
that you know more than the doctor and
that you can predict people illnesses??
You are a joke
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Posted: 02-21-07 23:54pm
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| Quote: | | Was the baby
being born because the mother wanted to
abort it? Or because there was a risk of
birthdefects or because there could/would
have been harm to the mother?
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From what I have read, the mother went
into labor extra-early. Part of me wonders
why the woman needed a C-section to
deliver a ten-ounce baby - I have a
feeling it wouldn't have taken much effort
to deliver it vaginally.
| Quote: | | cambion the baby
is .O.K.!!!!! And the doctors have
declared that the baby will not have long
term alignments from being born
prematurely. Now you going to tell me that
you know more than the doctor and that you
can predict people illnesses?? You are a
joke |
No long-term alignments, eh? I guess it
will be visiting chiropractors frequently
throughout its life.
I may not be any doctor, but I do know how
nil the chances are of a child like the
one in question growing up to be
relatively normal...or living long enough
to grow up at all. Oh, and by the way, the
baby is only "okay" because of hooking it
up to machines to pump it full of oxygen
it couldn't breathe by itself. If those
doctors think a brain bleed hasn't or
won't cause any long-term problems, they
should all be reconsidering their
professions. You don't need to be a
freaking doctor to know bleeding in the
brain is bad, whether it's 'mild' or not.
I'm sorry you don't have enough sense to
realize how serious bleeding in the brain
is.
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Posted: 02-22-07 07:06am
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| Cambion
wrote: | | Quote: | | Was the baby
being born because the mother wanted to
abort it? Or because there was a risk of
birthdefects or because there could/would
have been harm to the mother?
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From what I have read, the mother went
into labor extra-early. Part of me wonders
why the woman needed a C-section to
deliver a ten-ounce baby - I have a
feeling it wouldn't have taken much effort
to deliver it vaginally.
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Yeah i am not too sure why she wouldn't
have done it vag either. unless she had
had a recent section or something. who
knows. I had a c-section because i was
having sezures and i wouldnt' have been
able to push a baby out. he was only
alittle over a lb and had i been cohearent
they would have had me push im out to
releave the symptoms of pre-eclamsia.
i wonder why or how they managed to scrape
her little head?
oh and i know this isnt' related but they
pronounce the baby's name like amelia but
it's spelled amillia......but whatever.
sorry (ok I know that this is a debate
forum)
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Posted: 02-22-07 07:10am
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I remember .Carifairy saying that it can
actually be harder to push out a premie
baby because there is not much weight
there to help you. I think I've got that
right...
This baby was definitely a wanted baby,
she was not born early due to attempted
abortion. The parents conceived her
through ivf.
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Posted: 02-22-07 07:13am
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| Sunflower_pie81
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oh and i know this isnt' related but they
pronounce the baby's name like amelia but
it's spelled
amillia. |
It's a beautiful name, very old fashioned
and feminine. 
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Posted: 02-22-07 09:26am
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| PurestGreen
wrote: | | Sunflower_pie81
wrote: |
oh and i know this isnt' related but they
pronounce the baby's name like amelia but
it's spelled
amillia. |
It's a beautiful name, very old fashioned
and feminine. |
As you know that is my little one's
name...and i guess while reading that i
wsn't seeing amelia. lol I was thinking
that the double 'l' would be pronounced y
(as in yack)
but ok cary on
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