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Court Forces Girl of 13 to Have Abortion Posted: 02-21-07 12:30pm


Taken from: www.dailymail.co.uk "A 13-year-old girl has been forced to have an abortion after her mother took her to court to terminate the pregnancy. In a case that has shocked Catholic Italy, the girl's mother ordered her to have an abortion after discovering she was pregnant by her 15-year-old boyfriend, La Stampa newspaper reported. Turin's juvenile court had ruled the girl, named only as Valentina, must choose whether she wanted to terminate - but because she was a minor the decision was passed on to her mother. Since the abortion this month, Valentina has been recovering in a hospital psychiatric unit. La Stampa quoted her as saying: "You made me kill my baby now I'm going to kill myself." Child psychiatrist Professor Roberto Rigardetto, in charge of the unit, said: "Her desire to keep the baby should not have been gone against as it was." Turin's cardinal Severino Poletto said: "A foetus is a life and I am for the defence of life." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - What are your opinions on what happened here?

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Re: Court Forces Girl of 13 to Have Abortion
Posted: 02-21-07 12:38pm

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Taken from: www.dailymail.co.uk

"A 13-year-old girl has been forced to have an abortion after her mother took her to court to terminate the pregnancy.

In a case that has shocked Catholic Italy, the girl's mother ordered her to have an abortion after discovering she was pregnant by her 15-year-old boyfriend, La Stampa newspaper reported.

Turin's juvenile court had ruled the girl, named only as Valentina, must choose whether she wanted to terminate - but because she was a minor the decision was passed on to her mother.

Since the abortion this month, Valentina has been recovering in a hospital psychiatric unit. La Stampa quoted her as saying: "You made me kill my baby now I'm going to kill myself."

Child psychiatrist Professor Roberto Rigardetto, in charge of the unit, said: "Her desire to keep the baby should not have been gone against as it was."

Turin's cardinal Severino Poletto said: "A foetus is a life and I am for the defence of life."

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What are your opinions on what happened here?

This is absolutely wrong on every single level.

I don't care if someone is a minor; she still has rights to control her own body! Violating it in such a way as this... I would have tried to commit suicide too, in her shoes.

This is the closest I could see to true evil. You cannot sign away the rights of a person's body to someone else, no matter how old they are! I can't believe the court didn't ask to perhaps discuss adoption as an option with the mother and daughter. it's clear the mother didn't want to care for her daughter's baby, and I can sympathise with that, but that mother still has absolutely no right to force anything upon her daughter's body.

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Posted: 02-21-07 12:43pm


Just wanted to say that I can't find any more info on this story that isn't from a pro-life source. This was the most unbiased one I could find. I'd just be interested to know if there was more to this story than has been reported. Would your feelings change if this was an 11 year old girl? Or younger?

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Posted: 02-21-07 12:43pm


wow! That's insane. I don't believe that her mother should have forced her to have an abortion. She was given no right to choice. I would think pro-choicers everywhere would be up in arms about this. What has been the response so far?

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Posted: 02-21-07 12:53pm


its really the mothers decision

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Posted: 02-21-07 14:51pm

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its really the mothers decision

Do you mean the mother of the girl who was forced to abort?

I think this is disgusting, the fact is that it was the girls body and therefore it should have been her choice - yes her mother should have helped to form that choice but ultimately it was the girls choice.

If she was younger I'd feel the same, although parents should help their daughter decide it is still her body and therefore her choice.

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Posted: 02-21-07 15:59pm


Kids have no rights. We live in a world where kids have absolutely no say about their treatment. They have to bend to the will of their parents, and you better hope you got lucky in the parent lottery. I was an abused child and there is nothing worse than the feeling of utter helplessness when your crazy parent does something again and you have no recourse. It's like the end of the world. You are a nonentity. You don't matter. The courts and her mother have made this child a nonperson. The child will pay for it for life. The mother will pay for it for life, although i doubt she understands the impact. I really feel terrible for this girl. What he11 to have gone through!

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Posted: 02-21-07 17:39pm

PurestGreen wrote:

Just wanted to say that I can't find any more info on this story that isn't from a pro-life source. This was the most unbiased one I could find. I'd just be interested to know if there was more to this story than has been reported.

Would your feelings change if this was an 11 year old girl? Or younger?

It wouldn't matter to me what age she was... her body, her choice.

I would heavily advise someone under 15 to abort because their bodies aren't ready... at least with most 15 year olds their bodies are developed enough to give birth without as many serious complications.

Still, if the girl was against killing the fetus, I would even more heavily advise her to give it up for adoption, and remind her that once she graduated highschool or turned 18, she'd be out on her own with minimal support from me. her body her choice, but if she believes she is mature enough to care for a child, then she's going to care for it for real. I'm the grandma, not the mom, lol.

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Posted: 02-21-07 18:19pm


ok first let me say I believe that this was wrong. Abortion isn't something to be taken lightly. In a lot of cases it hurts the individual have it for a life time. in other cases it's a fine idea. i don't think that the decision to have an abortion should be made or influenced by anyone other then the person carrying the baby. ok that is my piece. thanks

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Posted: 02-21-07 22:04pm

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PurestGreen wrote:

Do I have you right; if this was say, your own daughter, you would kick her out when she turned 18? Would you if she were 16 or younger? What's your criteria for living in your household?

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Posted: 02-21-07 23:18pm


I am pro all the defendless human beings. Call it fetuses, call it babies, calll it children so I believe what done to the girl is wrong. Very sad that at such a young age this girl had to go through that much trauma. The mom should had been more responsible in checking out what her daughter does after school.

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13 Year Old Posted: 02-21-07 23:50pm


I think this is so wrong on every level...Not only did the mother go against her daughter...But she also probally scared her daughter for life...

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Posted: 02-22-07 00:09am


I agree that the mother should have no rights over someone else's body - I don't care if it is her own child. This woman is no better than the psychopaths who force their daughters to give birth to unwanted babies (which I'm sure some pro-lifers are in support of to punish those pesky promiscuous women and teens). In slight defense of the situation, I do realize why the mother had it done. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know there's no such thing as a good 13-year-old mother, and Grandmom probably would have been doing all the child care since Hunny-poo isn't even old enough to work. In any case, I hope the mother in question has the funds to keep her suicidal daughter in therapy for a few more decades.

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Posted: 02-22-07 00:12am


I think it's wrong on every level possible.. For 1, even though she's young who cares!!! I have seen 14 year old moms being better with their child than women in their 30's. for 2. Every woman has rights, as does every human being. and I think one of those rights should be being able to make your own decision on what you want to do with your body no matter how young you are. If the girl has sex she knows what happens if theres no protecti on,she should face those consequences. I'd hate my mom for life if she made me do that. But like I told my mom when I got pregnant with my son who is almost 1. It's my choice, and I kept him. Here i am....a teen mom. You all can have your opinions on teen moms, but i'm living this life right now and it's not as bad as people make it out to be. So do me a favor and before any of you judge anybody about teen pregnancy ever again, live it and see it personally instead of supposing all of this retarded bullsh*t

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Posted: 02-22-07 02:06am

Birch wrote:

Eiri wrote:

PurestGreen wrote:

I posted this on another topic:

I wouldn't kick her out without help; I would help her look for a job, and a place to live, and government programs to help her care for herself and the baby. My greatest hope would be that, if the father was a good young man, he will have married her and can thus help out. They wanted to play adult by having sex, fine. She wants to play adult by keeping the baby? Fine. One she graduates highschool or turns 18 - whichever happens last - she's on her own as a true adult.

She is my responsibility until she is 18; by law when she reaches that age, she is technically an adult. If she was still in highschool at that age - I was, just because of when my birthday is - then I'd care for her until she graduated, but then she's on her own.

I'd provide all kinds of help, looking for colleges and scholarships and programs galore to help her educate herself and raise the child. But the bottom line is that raising a child is a job for an adult, and if she thinks she's mature enough to do that, it will be in her own home, I will treat her like a real adult when she becomes one.

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Posted: 02-22-07 07:06am

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So do me a favor and before any of you judge anybody about teen pregnancy ever again, live it and see it personally instead of supposing all of this retarded bullsh*t

Listen to that cambion. Stop the retarded bullsh*t.

I like this girl. Welcome to the board dalicia

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Posted: 02-22-07 10:20am

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So do me a favor and before any of you judge anybody about teen pregnancy ever again, live it and see it personally instead of supposing all of this retarded bullsh*t

I do agree it's retarded bullsh*t, but as far as teenage mothers, I'll say this much: Just because they're parents doesn't mean they're good people. A girl may be a teen mother, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's a good one.

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Listen to that cambion. Stop the retarded bullsh*t.

Yes, I know it's retarded bullsh*t to have an opinion on these boards - at least ones that conflict with yours. perhaps you should take your own advice since you're one of the pro-liars who usually dives down my throat over menial things that almost everyone else is capable of reading and not responding to like a whiny child.

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Posted: 02-22-07 15:24pm

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Kids have no rights. We live in a world where kids have absolutely no say about their treatment. They have to bend to the will of their parents, and you better hope you got lucky in the parent lottery.

I was an abused child and there is nothing worse than the feeling of utter helplessness when your crazy parent does something again and you have no recourse. It's like the end of the world. You are a nonentity. You don't matter.

The courts and her mother have made this child a nonperson. The child will pay for it for life. The mother will pay for it for life, although i doubt she understands the impact.

I really feel terrible for this girl. What he11 to have gone through!

I agree.

I'd also like to add that this is what we get when we consider children to be "nonentities" in the law and in medicine. When you obstinately require young women to gain notification or consent to own their own bodies - that permission can be denied. That's what some parents don't understand. Yes, they believe that they should be involved in every medical decision involving their child. But when you require every child, not just your child, to seek their parents permission to make a decision about their own body, this is what you get.

In my own state, we require young women to either get their parents permission or permission from a judge. Being a very conservative state, some judges are known to deny this permission and the young woman must start the process again. In this case from Italy, the opposite occurred but the same principles apply. If a young woman, no matter how young, does not own her own body, then legally her parents can make her do anything they choose for her to do. So a parent in Italy forced her daughter to end a pregnancy while parents and judges in .m.y state regularly force their daughters to keep pregnancies.

And this is what we get for not recognizing these young women's inherent rights to their own bodies and lives.

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Posted: 02-22-07 15:50pm

DaliciaLovesYou wrote:

You all can have your opinions on teen moms, but i'm living this life right now and it's not as bad as people make it out to be. So do me a favor and before any of you judge anybody about teen pregnancy ever again, live it and see it personally instead of supposing all of this retarded bullsh*t

I've posted this on another thread before but I feel it bears repeating.

The reason people think negatively about teenage parenthood is because teenagers typically do not have the skills or resources to be independent or to properly raise their child. The majority of teen mother's are either dependent on their own parents or become dependent on the government. Having a child makes it harder for a young woman to continue her education or receive job training and thus, it is harder for her to become independent. Children of teen parents are typically malnourished through fundamental times of development, are more likely to have health problems (and be less likely to have proper health insurance or health care), are more likely to be abused or suffer from neglect, are more likely to have behaviorable problems, and are more likely to have problems in school. These problems make them more likely to become teen parents themselves and thus, the cycle continues.

These, unfortunately, are not opinions. They are documented, observeable facts and trends.

Will all teen mothers fall to these trends? No. But the majority will and have.

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Posted: 02-22-07 18:35pm

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Yeee. I would not do the same. I personally do not think this course of action is in anyone's best interest. Withholding support like this, and kicking her out of the house when she needs you the most has a punishing effect with most certainly lifelong repercussions. I speak from experience. It's not a good idea. Wink