well you will be arguing forever then.
because fact is quite a few women *do* know when they ovulate.
I suggest you try telling people somwhere like fertilityfriend that you can't tell when you ovulate.
Nancy you may be wise on some things.
in this case you aren't the wisest.
if you wish to continue an arguement with me please do so off the forum, because your issue here is not relevant to the original posters question.