Regardless, I
wasn't so much insulting you for having
differently values as I was criticizing
you for having a low sense of morality and
a lack of understanding about the
situation.
Low sense of morality. OMG. How single
minded. You know the Taliban used to
punish people who they thought had a "low
sense of morality". But of course you
would never consider yourself like them.
You would never force your views upon
other people, and attack them when they
have differing values. Oh wait, you did.
Just give up.
Do you realize how seriously your logic is
flawed? Your comparing my criticisms for
what I percieve to be a weak character to
the torture that a clearly immoral group
would inflict on those with differing
views. If those are the sorts of
connections you make, and if you're too
stubborn to even read my arguments and try
to understand what I'm saying, then this
simply isn't worth my time. You do
realize how ridiculous your comparisons
sounds, don't you?
Quote:
I would love for
you to really explain why you feel it is
okay for you to go to a strip club, but it
is wrong for your BF to go. Please tell me
how this double standard works
logically.
Again you're clearly outlining your
disappointing inability to read. She
said that she was upset with her boyfriend
going to a strip bar on her birthday and
getting a lap-dance, and you'd have to be
pretty narrow-minded yourself to not
understand what's wrong about that.
Unless guys go to a strip bar in a big
group, most will go simply for the
satisfaction of lusting over a naked
woman. Women typically watch strippers in
groups, and simply because of the way men
and women differ from a psychological
perspective, the experience is different.
Think about it: Most women need more than
a "piece of meat" to be attracted. While a
man can become very sexually aroused
simply by the sight of a naked woman,
females are attracted to powerful
personality traits, moreso than physically
attractive bodies. What I mean is, seeing
a naked man alone isn't typically enough
to sufficiently arouse a female, but you
can't say the same thing about men. It's
not inaccurate to say that the main factor
in a man's sex appeal is NOT his body.
Look at Justin Timberlake -- Without his
fame, girls wouldn't be oogling him in the
streets, and he definitely wouldn't be
"bringing sexy back" in the eyes of most
girls. But a girl's sex appeal is purely a
physical thing
Throw a guy in with a hot, naked girl, and
see if he'll refuse sex with her. Rarely.
But unless a girl is desperate, or perhaps
very sexually-oriented, she wouldn't be
willing to have sex with a random man just
because he was naked and physically
attractive. Thus, it's not unreasonable to
see why a woman could be jealous when her
man looks at another woman, because on a
subconscious level, that's enough for him
to be unfaithful in his own mind.
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babybowser
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 7 Location: san jose
Posted: 03-01-07 12:16pm
yeah okay now youre insulting me. youre
going way beside the point. youre accusing
me of getting upset with my boyfriend
strictly because he went to the strip
club. you ignored evertying else i had to
say. so my response will always fall too
short for you.
our views are different. you seemed to
have a very black and white view. and you
state them as facts instead of opinions.
im not gonna sit here and argue with
sexism when that has nothing to do with
it. youre just accusing like you really
just want to put me down. you should also
try to look up studied with both sexes
going to female strip clubs and tell me if
they go for the same reasons. they will
tell you no. so before you start saying im
trying to paint it the other way and
trying to be a saint look up your own
facts instead of just makin up your own.
you cant sit there and tell me that women
and men think exactly alike as you are
pointing this out yourself. its not
sexism.
i dont think i said i didnt want him to go
to a strip club anywhere. read my post
more carefully before you start accusing
and drawing down the line. i even said i
DIDNT want to control him.
i would never go to a male strip club if
youre implying thatl.
so at this point i figured you want to
hear about my jealousy issue to put me
down more. because thus far, that is all
that you have done. please dont post
anymore. your views and your logic is no
longer wanted. and i mean that in the
nicest way possible.
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Makoto
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 287 Location: Japan
Thanks: 1
Thanked:0
Posted: 03-01-07 21:50pm
Quote:
Unless guys go to
a strip bar in a big group, most will go
simply for the satisfaction of lusting
over a naked woman. Women typically watch
strippers in groups, and simply because of
the way men and women differ from a
psychological perspective, the experience
is different. Think about it: most women
need more than a "piece of meat" to be
attracted. While a man can become very
sexually aroused simply by the sight of a
naked woman, females are attracted to
powerful personality traits, moreso than
physically attractive bodies. What I mean
is, seeing a naked man alone isn't
typically enough to sufficiently arouse a
female, but you can't say the same thing
about men. It's not inaccurate to say that
the main factor in a man's sex appeal is
not his body. Look at justin timberlake --
without his fame, girls wouldn't be
oogling him in the streets, and he
definitely wouldn't be "bringing sexy
back" in the eyes of most girls. But a
girl's sex appeal is purely a physical
thing
throw a guy in with a hot, naked girl, and
see if he'll refuse sex with her. Rarely.
But unless a girl is desperate, or perhaps
very sexually-oriented, she wouldn't be
willing to have sex with a random man just
because he was naked and physically
attractive. Thus, it's not unreasonable to
see why a woman could be jealous when her
man looks at another woman, because on a
subconscious level, that's enough for him
to be unfaithful in his own mind.
Lol, you crap on me for not reading posts,
which is not true at all. You started out
saying I insulted OUR gender, and yet here
you are making wide sweeping remarks about
OUR gender. LOL
Next, I am well aware that comparing you
to the Taliban is a stretch, but
nonetheless, your behaviour is judgmental.
When you accuse me of a lower morality
than you are trying to force YOUR sense of
morality on me/others. Religious tryants
all over the world and through time have
accused other people of having less
morality, and then proceeded to do the
worst of crimes in their god's name. To
accuse people of having less morals than
themselves(especially over the internet
) is hypocritical to say the least. (I
remind you, you took the first shot)
As for your above quote, it is nothing
more than sexists generalites. You make
vast assumptions about both sexes. Such
opinons can not be taken seriously. "Men
go to strip clubs for this, while women
have more pure reasons for going."
Basically that is what you are saying.
That is just total BS. Do not be so
insulting to both sexes please.
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Makoto
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 287 Location: Japan
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Posted: 03-01-07 22:03pm
Quote:
Yeah okay now
youre insulting me. Youre going way beside
the point. Youre accusing me of getting
upset with my boyfriend strictly because
he went to the strip club. You ignored
evertying else I had to say. So my
response will always fall too short for
you.
You feel I am attacking you but I am just
trying to figure out the issue. Yes going
to the strip club on your BD is bad, but
then you say something like this
Quote:
I would also like
to understand better why guys go to strip
clubs if anyone can give me insight to
that. Itd be very helpful. I go to strip
club (girl strip clubs only and I havent
been to one since ive been with my current
boyfriend) purely for the fun of it. Is it
the same for guys? Do they go for fun or
is there other reasons. And reasonings for
why they must have lapdances. And do they
enjoy it a little too much?
What am I suppose to think. I thought the
issue of your BF going to a strip club on
your BD was settled. I thought we were
talking about men going to strip clubs in
general. I found your statement above
having the message that men do it for one
reason and women for another. Which I then
asked is not such thinking sexists.
Then that idea is supported by this
comment by you
Quote:
I go for fun. And
nothing else. And I would not go if he has
any problems with it. Its not the end of
the world if I cant go to strip clubs. I
trust him as I dont think he would cheat
on me but it just makes me uncomfortable
for him to look at strippers let alone get
close and personal with one.
You get upset if he does it, because you
think there is something worse than why
you go. I just would like to know, what
"just for fun" is suppose to mean. Again,
seems like a double standard.
Quote:
I dont think I
said I didnt want him to go to a strip
club anywhere. Read my post more carefully
before you start accusing and drawing down
the line. I even said I didnt want to
control him.
No you never outright said it, but you
nonetheless expressed it. You think your
BF and men in general go to strip clubs
for reasons different than women. I find
such notions to be very false and
sexists.
You think I am attacking you, I am not.
But you can not just say things and expect
not to be challenged on them. You are
expressing your opinion, I am asking you
to support your opinion. I am also taking
issue with you saying men go to strip
clubs for sexual reasons, and then you
gloss over why you/women saying it is
"just for fun". How can not I take issue
with such comments.
