What kills me, are the people that do have
.w.i.c, but then you see their cart is
full of name brand junk food, and crap
they don't need. And they've got brand new
shoes on, name brand clothes. Those are
the people that don't deserve it.
i hate that, i qualified for wic living at
my parents though the wic in fla put it
as just my paychecks, my pay went to my
bills and i paid my dad "rent" $200 a
month. and the rest went to diapers and
extra formula etc. My husbands military
now and we still qualify for wic but his
pay is really low. we recently refinanced
our car before i moved here though and got
my grandma to cosign and it dropped our
interest 10% wich helped out alot.
my sister got off wic when she really
still needed it. her husband now ex was in
korea and she had his bills to pay etc but
while i lived there i just told her to pay
the rent, water, electricity and phone and
groceries, worry about his credit cards
later, pay the important stuff first, her
phone got shut off a few times. but we did
ok.
we only have one credit card but thats so
jason could establish credit , its hard to
sign for cars , loans etc when u have no
credit whatsoever. If we didnt need the
help on wic i wouldnt get it . i did
breastfeed at first for a while wich was
nice, no money spent on formula at all,
when i switched to formula i had bought a
can then went up to wic, since its really
expensive. im sure if jason was in
afghanistan now i wouldnt need wic, we
would be getting hazardous duty pay so we
would be fine thats like an extra $100 or
something a month if not a little more and
familiy seperation. the military tries to
do its best to compensate for the price
rises etc but still they aint came far
enough yet to catch up, speaking of wic i
have to go out today and get some more
formula.
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meggan
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Joined: 10 Nov 2005 Posts: 490 Location: westchester
Posted: 03-31-07 06:46am
i understand military life.. being am
navy-military wife is rough! specially
when myhubbby is gone 6 months out of the
year! hes out right now! i wish we
qualitfied for wic because things are
really hard but i stretch the it out.. we
i dont think qualify! and to the girl who
posted i wasnt there to offend you but as
far as some pepole who r on wic i too get
mad at the material items they have..
ironically some of the money they make to
opurchase material things are with under
the table money..its not everyone its
some! but the whole situation sucks.. hang
in there and i hope things get better and
that you and your new addition will have
exactly what you need! let me know if you
need advicew for coupon and stuff! i use
coupons all the time or i couldnt purchase
the good things for him! ttys and i wish u
the very best.
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Birch
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Posted: 03-31-07 18:24pm
hopefulmjz
wrote:
What kills me, are the
people that do have .w.i.c, but then you
see their cart is full of name brand junk
food, and crap they don't need. And
they've got brand new shoes on, name brand
clothes. Those are the people that don't
deserve it.
I am doing some research on WIC for school
and did a little search and found this
thread. I am especially curious about
balancing what is a need and what is a
want, and how we as a society should
define those things.
Do you think that people on government
assistance should only be allowed to
purchase certain items? Do you think
people on gov't assistance should have to
buy generic health food or do you think
ppl on gov't assistance should be able to
live autonomously?
Also, if a person is on gov't assistance
should they be put on birth control? What
about people ttc and have not yet but are
seeking to get on gov't assistance?
those are odd questions, not sure about
people on govt assistance being put on
birth control unless they voluntarily did
it, but personally if the 2 are on
government assistance already they cannot
afford a child. So therefore shouldnt even
think to become pregnant. most people
working at wic and even in there books
advise to get the store brand if at all
possible. And use coupons. Here we dont
have a superwalmart with store brand milk
and food etc. But i do use coupons when
they are available at the commisary on wic
products when using my wic checks. there
formula checks give u the option like we
have 3 cans similac advance or 4 cans
nestle goodstart, i started her on similac
advance before i got wic. so we mostly use
that but sometimes they only have the
nestle so we get that . but sometimes they
have coupons for formula etc that we can
use also.
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tigresacanela24
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Posted: 04-02-07 07:54am
Hey Birch!
I believe that people who get gov't
assistance should not be allowed to use it
to purchase junk foods, etc. Wic is a bit
different since you get coupons/checks for
certain items like formula, juice, eggs,
etc. But food stamps, that's a whole
different ball game. I get ticked as all
get out when I have to stand in line
behind some one buying chips, cookies,
cakes, sodas, and paying with food stamps.
I mean they have name brand everything in
the cart. I work every day and have to
get generic everything with no goodies.
It's insulting. So yes I believe the
ability to purchase certain items should
be limited while on food stamps.
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Birch
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Posted: 04-02-07 10:37am
tinkinpink84
wrote:
those are odd questions, not
sure about people on govt assistance being
put on birth control unless they
voluntarily did it, but personally if the
2 are on government assistance already
they cannot afford a child. So therefore
shouldnt even think to become pregnant.
most people working at wic and even in
there books advise to get the store brand
if at all possible. And use coupons. Here
we dont have a superwalmart with store
brand milk and food etc. But i do use
coupons when they are available at the
commisary on wic products when using my
wic checks. there formula checks give u
the option like we have 3 cans similac
advance or 4 cans nestle goodstart, i
started her on similac advance before i
got wic. so we mostly use that but
sometimes they only have the nestle so we
get that . but sometimes they have coupons
for formula etc that we can use
also.
Thank you for your response. I will take
it into consideration.
tigresacanela24
wrote:
Hey Birch!
I believe that people who get gov't
assistance should not be allowed to use it
to purchase junk foods, etc. Wic is a bit
different since you get coupons/checks for
certain items like formula, juice, eggs,
etc. But food stamps, that's a whole
different ball game. I get ticked as all
get out when I have to stand in line
behind some one buying chips, cookies,
cakes, sodas, and paying with food stamps.
I mean they have name brand everything in
the cart. I work every day and have to
get generic everything with no goodies.
It's insulting. So yes I believe the
ability to purchase certain items should
be limited while on food
stamps.
Thank you for your response! One more
question for you; why shouldn't pple on
gov't assistance be allowed to buy what
they want to?
Thanks in advance!!
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Ingi
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Posted: 04-02-07 16:53pm
jenniek
wrote:
I agree with you guys that
if you choose to live in an expensive
house and such that you shouldn't get it
but I feel like WIC treated me unfairly.
I am a full time student and currently
unemployed. I had to move in with my
parents because I am not able to pay rent
(at any cost! becacuse I don't have
money)! I pay for my schooling and all my
bills and baby stuff but because I live at
my parents they won't give me WIC. Maybe
its just me but I feel like I overly
qualified but was turned down because they
expect my parents to pay my
bills.
How old are you? This may have something
to do with it.
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kim00
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Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 7
Posted: 04-02-07 16:59pm
Birch, if people can't afford the
necessities, they shouldn't have the
wants.
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Ingi
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Posted: 04-02-07 17:01pm
Birch
wrote:
tinkinpink84
wrote:
those are odd questions, not
sure about people on govt assistance being
put on birth control unless they
voluntarily did it, but personally if the
2 are on government assistance already
they cannot afford a child. So therefore
shouldnt even think to become pregnant.
most people working at wic and even in
there books advise to get the store brand
if at all possible. And use coupons. Here
we dont have a superwalmart with store
brand milk and food etc. But i do use
coupons when they are available at the
commisary on wic products when using my
wic checks. there formula checks give u
the option like we have 3 cans similac
advance or 4 cans nestle goodstart, i
started her on similac advance before i
got wic. so we mostly use that but
sometimes they only have the nestle so we
get that . but sometimes they have coupons
for formula etc that we can use
also.
Thank you for your response. I will take
it into consideration.
tigresacanela24
wrote:
Hey Birch!
I believe that people who get gov't
assistance should not be allowed to use it
to purchase junk foods, etc. Wic is a bit
different since you get coupons/checks for
certain items like formula, juice, eggs,
etc. But food stamps, that's a whole
different ball game. I get ticked as all
get out when I have to stand in line
behind some one buying chips, cookies,
cakes, sodas, and paying with food stamps.
I mean they have name brand everything in
the cart. I work every day and have to
get generic everything with no goodies.
It's insulting. So yes I believe the
ability to purchase certain items should
be limited while on food
stamps.
Thank you for your response! One more
question for you; why shouldn't pple on
gov't assistance be allowed to buy what
they want to?
Thanks in
advance!!
Because they aren't buying it. I
am. With my tax dollars that I pay out of
every check I get. I don't get earned
income credit. I don't get wic. I don't
get medical. If I can't afford it. I
simply cannot afford it. Then end. No
whining. I just don't get it.
I shop with coupons. I shop sales. I shop
the clearance items. I don't go hungry -
but if I don't absolutely 'need it', I
don't get it. Why? Because I work hard for
the money I have.
People have a poor opinion of people on
welfare and foodstamps because it is
someone's hard earned tax dollars that are
paying for their benefits. Do you know how
much it costs me for health insurance?
Over $500 a month for my family - and that
doesn't include the deductable, the
co-pays, etc.
So they 'system' doesn't work the way it
is set up. It works to break the backs of
the middle class.
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kim00
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Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 7
Posted: 04-02-07 17:40pm
Our first was a very unplanned pregnancy.
We were in no financial situation to be
having a baby, but we are against govt
assistance. We took responsibility for our
situation, and started cutting back on
everything to provide for the baby we
created. We stopped drinking soda and
smoking, stopped going out, cut out
internet, and cell phones. We only worked
and slept, sure not a fun life, but we did
what we had to do to be self-sufficient.
Doing so, gave us self-confidence. And
made us realize there are no real
financial burdens, you just have to
eliminate the wants for a while to provide
for the needs.
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Ingi
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Posted: 04-02-07 17:52pm
kim00
wrote:
...made us realize there
are no real financial burdens, you just
have to eliminate the wants for a while to
provide for the
needs.
There are true financial burdens. Like
when a car breaks down - or you need to
weigh the difference between seeing a
doctor and feeding your child.
But I do see where you are coming from.
People just expect to be helped, like it
is always going to be there. With the
state of our government, no one should
expect the help is going to go on forever.
It will end and it will be harsh for a lot
of people who haven't learned to do it on
their own.
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kim00
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Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 7
Posted: 04-02-07 18:01pm
No, I don't think there are real financial
burdens. Two week ago, the engine went out
on our car, we put in a used instead of
new engine. Hubby worked a few more hours
than usual, and I cleaned some homes and
did yard work for a few weeks to pay for
it. Doctors can do financial arragements,
and recycling is a great way to pay for
meals for the little ones in between
paydays. There is ALWAYS a way, you just
have to think outside of the norm.
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Birch
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Posted: 04-02-07 19:46pm
Thank you everyone for your replies; it's
a very interesting issue to me; and I
can't decide how I feel about it.
I do see a difference between those who
can work for a living, and those who
cannot-whether they are physically or
mentally ill, for example. Do those
people deserve to have the 'wants'? Do
they deserve to be taken care of by their
gov't?
No, I don't think there are
real financial burdens. Two week ago, the
engine went out on our car, we put in a
used instead of new engine. Hubby worked a
few more hours than usual, and I cleaned
some homes and did yard work for a few
weeks to pay for it. Doctors can do
financial arragements, and recycling is a
great way to pay for meals for the little
ones in between paydays. There is ALWAYS a
way, you just have to think outside of the
norm.
okay, now you just sound ignorant. yes,
there are *real* financial burdens. i also
became pregnant in my second year of
college. i dropped out and had a baby, who
has health conditions. his RX formula is
$500 a month, and his meds are about $200
a month. i cant work, because i have to
take care of him. my credit went to hell,
because i stopped paying my bills. my
boyfriend is still in school finishing his
degree, so he works when he isnt in
school. we *cannot* afford this without
assistance. we have already eliminated any
rent by living with family, i do not have
a cell phone, in fact i do not have any
luxuries. this internet is paid for by the
people we live with right now. hell, we
cant even buy groceries, so i have been
starving every day for about a year now. i
dont have money to buy shampoo, tampons,
toothpaste, nothing. somtimes family
donates it to me. and as a matter of fact,
i am going to get on food stamps. i am
incredibly thankful for wic, they cover my
sons prescription formula. (most of it) i
am not ashamed of taking assistance,
because i truly need it for my son.
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ladylee70
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Posted: 04-02-07 20:48pm
Natalia,
Listening to your situation makes me
thankful that there is help for people who
truly need it. I can appreciate what Kim
did to not go on government assistance as
I wish most people would do this; however,
there is not always a way!! Not everyone
has money to buy a used engine nor do they
have resources to get someone to put it
in. Not everyone lives in an area or a job
where they can readily work a few extra
hours for pay, either. I live in an area
where people are begging for work or more
work and the unemployment rate is just so
high.
If I couldn't work, we would be in a very
similar position as you are. I hope you
get free medical as well that would pay
for those prescriptions!! I am also glad
you are going to get on food stamps.
People like you and your family truly
deserve the help! Take care
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kim00
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Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 7
Posted: 04-02-07 23:00pm
A few hours have passed, and I'm over my
gloating. I was wrong, and want to
apologize if I have offended any. There
are real situations and burdens that come
up, and for those times, it is a wonderful
program. I am sorry, I just think there
are too many people that abuse it.
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ladylee70
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Posted: 04-02-07 23:44pm
Kim,
That was such a nice apology!! Take care,
Karin
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Ingi
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Posted: 04-03-07 11:25am
Nataliachick7
wrote:
kim00
wrote:
No, I don't think there are
real financial burdens. Two week ago, the
engine went out on our car, we put in a
used instead of new engine. Hubby worked a
few more hours than usual, and I cleaned
some homes and did yard work for a few
weeks to pay for it. Doctors can do
financial arragements, and recycling is a
great way to pay for meals for the little
ones in between paydays. There is ALWAYS a
way, you just have to think outside of the
norm.
okay, now you just sound ignorant. yes,
there are *real* financial burdens. i also
became pregnant in my second year of
college. i dropped out and had a baby, who
has health conditions. his RX formula is
$500 a month, and his meds are about $200
a month. i cant work, because i have to
take care of him. my credit went to hell,
because i stopped paying my bills. my
boyfriend is still in school finishing his
degree, so he works when he isnt in
school. we *cannot* afford this without
assistance. we have already eliminated any
rent by living with family, i do not have
a cell phone, in fact i do not have any
luxuries. this internet is paid for by the
people we live with right now. hell, we
cant even buy groceries, so i have been
starving every day for about a year now. i
dont have money to buy shampoo, tampons,
toothpaste, nothing. somtimes family
donates it to me. and as a matter of fact,
i am going to get on food stamps. i am
incredibly thankful for wic, they cover my
sons prescription formula. (most of it) i
am not ashamed of taking assistance,
because i truly need it for my
son.
((hugs))
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Eyes Wide Shut
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Posted: 04-03-07 12:28pm
you should see the abuse of the gov't down
here.
Talk about nausiating.
Food stamps are *not* meant for people to
buy fudge bars, and marshmallows!!!! It
tears me up!!
Nat, I didn't know you were going through
all of this. (I knew about .trace's
condition) but not about your personal
goings on.
I'm sorry that you have to go through
this. Especially with a 10.5 month old.