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hopefulmjz

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Posted: 03-30-07 21:04pm

What kills me, are the people that do have .w.i.c, but then you see their cart is full of name brand junk food, and crap they don't need. And they've got brand new shoes on, name brand clothes. Those are the people that don't deserve it.
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Posted: 03-31-07 03:45am

i hate that, i qualified for wic living at my parents though the wic in fla put it as just my paychecks, my pay went to my bills and i paid my dad "rent" $200 a month. and the rest went to diapers and extra formula etc. My husbands military now and we still qualify for wic but his pay is really low. we recently refinanced our car before i moved here though and got my grandma to cosign and it dropped our interest 10% wich helped out alot.
my sister got off wic when she really still needed it. her husband now ex was in korea and she had his bills to pay etc but while i lived there i just told her to pay the rent, water, electricity and phone and groceries, worry about his credit cards later, pay the important stuff first, her phone got shut off a few times. but we did ok.
we only have one credit card but thats so jason could establish credit , its hard to sign for cars , loans etc when u have no credit whatsoever. If we didnt need the help on wic i wouldnt get it . i did breastfeed at first for a while wich was nice, no money spent on formula at all, when i switched to formula i had bought a can then went up to wic, since its really expensive. im sure if jason was in afghanistan now i wouldnt need wic, we would be getting hazardous duty pay so we would be fine thats like an extra $100 or something a month if not a little more and familiy seperation. the military tries to do its best to compensate for the price rises etc but still they aint came far enough yet to catch up, speaking of wic i have to go out today and get some more formula.
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meggan

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Posted: 03-31-07 06:46am

i understand military life.. being am navy-military wife is rough! specially when myhubbby is gone 6 months out of the year! hes out right now! i wish we qualitfied for wic because things are really hard but i stretch the it out.. we i dont think qualify! and to the girl who posted i wasnt there to offend you but as far as some pepole who r on wic i too get mad at the material items they have.. ironically some of the money they make to opurchase material things are with under the table money..its not everyone its some! but the whole situation sucks.. hang in there and i hope things get better and that you and your new addition will have exactly what you need! let me know if you need advicew for coupon and stuff! i use coupons all the time or i couldnt purchase the good things for him! ttys and i wish u the very best.
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Posted: 03-31-07 18:24pm

hopefulmjz wrote:
What kills me, are the people that do have .w.i.c, but then you see their cart is full of name brand junk food, and crap they don't need. And they've got brand new shoes on, name brand clothes. Those are the people that don't deserve it.


I am doing some research on WIC for school and did a little search and found this thread. I am especially curious about balancing what is a need and what is a want, and how we as a society should define those things.

Do you think that people on government assistance should only be allowed to purchase certain items? Do you think people on gov't assistance should have to buy generic health food or do you think ppl on gov't assistance should be able to live autonomously?

Also, if a person is on gov't assistance should they be put on birth control? What about people ttc and have not yet but are seeking to get on gov't assistance?

Thanks for your input...
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Posted: 04-02-07 00:48am

those are odd questions, not sure about people on govt assistance being put on birth control unless they voluntarily did it, but personally if the 2 are on government assistance already they cannot afford a child. So therefore shouldnt even think to become pregnant. most people working at wic and even in there books advise to get the store brand if at all possible. And use coupons. Here we dont have a superwalmart with store brand milk and food etc. But i do use coupons when they are available at the commisary on wic products when using my wic checks. there formula checks give u the option like we have 3 cans similac advance or 4 cans nestle goodstart, i started her on similac advance before i got wic. so we mostly use that but sometimes they only have the nestle so we get that . but sometimes they have coupons for formula etc that we can use also.
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Posted: 04-02-07 07:54am

Hey Birch!

I believe that people who get gov't assistance should not be allowed to use it to purchase junk foods, etc. Wic is a bit different since you get coupons/checks for certain items like formula, juice, eggs, etc. But food stamps, that's a whole different ball game. I get ticked as all get out when I have to stand in line behind some one buying chips, cookies, cakes, sodas, and paying with food stamps. I mean they have name brand everything in the cart. I work every day and have to get generic everything with no goodies. It's insulting. So yes I believe the ability to purchase certain items should be limited while on food stamps.
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Posted: 04-02-07 10:37am

tinkinpink84 wrote:
those are odd questions, not sure about people on govt assistance being put on birth control unless they voluntarily did it, but personally if the 2 are on government assistance already they cannot afford a child. So therefore shouldnt even think to become pregnant. most people working at wic and even in there books advise to get the store brand if at all possible. And use coupons. Here we dont have a superwalmart with store brand milk and food etc. But i do use coupons when they are available at the commisary on wic products when using my wic checks. there formula checks give u the option like we have 3 cans similac advance or 4 cans nestle goodstart, i started her on similac advance before i got wic. so we mostly use that but sometimes they only have the nestle so we get that . but sometimes they have coupons for formula etc that we can use also.


Thank you for your response. I will take it into consideration.

tigresacanela24 wrote:
Hey Birch!

I believe that people who get gov't assistance should not be allowed to use it to purchase junk foods, etc. Wic is a bit different since you get coupons/checks for certain items like formula, juice, eggs, etc. But food stamps, that's a whole different ball game. I get ticked as all get out when I have to stand in line behind some one buying chips, cookies, cakes, sodas, and paying with food stamps. I mean they have name brand everything in the cart. I work every day and have to get generic everything with no goodies. It's insulting. So yes I believe the ability to purchase certain items should be limited while on food stamps.


Thank you for your response! One more question for you; why shouldn't pple on gov't assistance be allowed to buy what they want to?

Thanks in advance!!
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Posted: 04-02-07 16:53pm

jenniek wrote:
I agree with you guys that if you choose to live in an expensive house and such that you shouldn't get it but I feel like WIC treated me unfairly. I am a full time student and currently unemployed. I had to move in with my parents because I am not able to pay rent (at any cost! becacuse I don't have money)! I pay for my schooling and all my bills and baby stuff but because I live at my parents they won't give me WIC. Maybe its just me but I feel like I overly qualified but was turned down because they expect my parents to pay my bills.


How old are you? This may have something to do with it.
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kim00

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Posted: 04-02-07 16:59pm

Birch, if people can't afford the necessities, they shouldn't have the wants.
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Posted: 04-02-07 17:01pm

Birch wrote:
tinkinpink84 wrote:
those are odd questions, not sure about people on govt assistance being put on birth control unless they voluntarily did it, but personally if the 2 are on government assistance already they cannot afford a child. So therefore shouldnt even think to become pregnant. most people working at wic and even in there books advise to get the store brand if at all possible. And use coupons. Here we dont have a superwalmart with store brand milk and food etc. But i do use coupons when they are available at the commisary on wic products when using my wic checks. there formula checks give u the option like we have 3 cans similac advance or 4 cans nestle goodstart, i started her on similac advance before i got wic. so we mostly use that but sometimes they only have the nestle so we get that . but sometimes they have coupons for formula etc that we can use also.


Thank you for your response. I will take it into consideration.

tigresacanela24 wrote:
Hey Birch!

I believe that people who get gov't assistance should not be allowed to use it to purchase junk foods, etc. Wic is a bit different since you get coupons/checks for certain items like formula, juice, eggs, etc. But food stamps, that's a whole different ball game. I get ticked as all get out when I have to stand in line behind some one buying chips, cookies, cakes, sodas, and paying with food stamps. I mean they have name brand everything in the cart. I work every day and have to get generic everything with no goodies. It's insulting. So yes I believe the ability to purchase certain items should be limited while on food stamps.


Thank you for your response! One more question for you; why shouldn't pple on gov't assistance be allowed to buy what they want to?

Thanks in advance!!


Because they aren't buying it. I am. With my tax dollars that I pay out of every check I get. I don't get earned income credit. I don't get wic. I don't get medical. If I can't afford it. I simply cannot afford it. Then end. No whining. I just don't get it.

I shop with coupons. I shop sales. I shop the clearance items. I don't go hungry - but if I don't absolutely 'need it', I don't get it. Why? Because I work hard for the money I have.

People have a poor opinion of people on welfare and foodstamps because it is someone's hard earned tax dollars that are paying for their benefits. Do you know how much it costs me for health insurance? Over $500 a month for my family - and that doesn't include the deductable, the co-pays, etc.

So they 'system' doesn't work the way it is set up. It works to break the backs of the middle class.
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kim00

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Posted: 04-02-07 17:40pm

Our first was a very unplanned pregnancy. We were in no financial situation to be having a baby, but we are against govt assistance. We took responsibility for our situation, and started cutting back on everything to provide for the baby we created. We stopped drinking soda and smoking, stopped going out, cut out internet, and cell phones. We only worked and slept, sure not a fun life, but we did what we had to do to be self-sufficient. Doing so, gave us self-confidence. And made us realize there are no real financial burdens, you just have to eliminate the wants for a while to provide for the needs.
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Posted: 04-02-07 17:52pm

kim00 wrote:
...made us realize there are no real financial burdens, you just have to eliminate the wants for a while to provide for the needs.


There are true financial burdens. Like when a car breaks down - or you need to weigh the difference between seeing a doctor and feeding your child.

But I do see where you are coming from. People just expect to be helped, like it is always going to be there. With the state of our government, no one should expect the help is going to go on forever. It will end and it will be harsh for a lot of people who haven't learned to do it on their own.
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kim00

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Posted: 04-02-07 18:01pm

No, I don't think there are real financial burdens. Two week ago, the engine went out on our car, we put in a used instead of new engine. Hubby worked a few more hours than usual, and I cleaned some homes and did yard work for a few weeks to pay for it. Doctors can do financial arragements, and recycling is a great way to pay for meals for the little ones in between paydays. There is ALWAYS a way, you just have to think outside of the norm.
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Posted: 04-02-07 19:46pm

Thank you everyone for your replies; it's a very interesting issue to me; and I can't decide how I feel about it.

I do see a difference between those who can work for a living, and those who cannot-whether they are physically or mentally ill, for example. Do those people deserve to have the 'wants'? Do they deserve to be taken care of by their gov't?

I'm just musing. Thanks!
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Nataliachick7

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Posted: 04-02-07 20:01pm

kim00 wrote:
No, I don't think there are real financial burdens. Two week ago, the engine went out on our car, we put in a used instead of new engine. Hubby worked a few more hours than usual, and I cleaned some homes and did yard work for a few weeks to pay for it. Doctors can do financial arragements, and recycling is a great way to pay for meals for the little ones in between paydays. There is ALWAYS a way, you just have to think outside of the norm.

okay, now you just sound ignorant. yes, there are *real* financial burdens. i also became pregnant in my second year of college. i dropped out and had a baby, who has health conditions. his RX formula is $500 a month, and his meds are about $200 a month. i cant work, because i have to take care of him. my credit went to hell, because i stopped paying my bills. my boyfriend is still in school finishing his degree, so he works when he isnt in school. we *cannot* afford this without assistance. we have already eliminated any rent by living with family, i do not have a cell phone, in fact i do not have any luxuries. this internet is paid for by the people we live with right now. hell, we cant even buy groceries, so i have been starving every day for about a year now. i dont have money to buy shampoo, tampons, toothpaste, nothing. somtimes family donates it to me. and as a matter of fact, i am going to get on food stamps. i am incredibly thankful for wic, they cover my sons prescription formula. (most of it) i am not ashamed of taking assistance, because i truly need it for my son.


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Posted: 04-02-07 20:48pm

Natalia,

Listening to your situation makes me thankful that there is help for people who truly need it. I can appreciate what Kim did to not go on government assistance as I wish most people would do this; however, there is not always a way!! Not everyone has money to buy a used engine nor do they have resources to get someone to put it in. Not everyone lives in an area or a job where they can readily work a few extra hours for pay, either. I live in an area where people are begging for work or more work and the unemployment rate is just so high.

If I couldn't work, we would be in a very similar position as you are. I hope you get free medical as well that would pay for those prescriptions!! I am also glad you are going to get on food stamps. People like you and your family truly deserve the help! Take care
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Posted: 04-02-07 23:00pm

A few hours have passed, and I'm over my gloating. I was wrong, and want to apologize if I have offended any. There are real situations and burdens that come up, and for those times, it is a wonderful program. I am sorry, I just think there are too many people that abuse it.
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Posted: 04-02-07 23:44pm

Kim,

That was such a nice apology!! Take care,

Karin
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Posted: 04-03-07 11:25am

Nataliachick7 wrote:
kim00 wrote:
No, I don't think there are real financial burdens. Two week ago, the engine went out on our car, we put in a used instead of new engine. Hubby worked a few more hours than usual, and I cleaned some homes and did yard work for a few weeks to pay for it. Doctors can do financial arragements, and recycling is a great way to pay for meals for the little ones in between paydays. There is ALWAYS a way, you just have to think outside of the norm.

okay, now you just sound ignorant. yes, there are *real* financial burdens. i also became pregnant in my second year of college. i dropped out and had a baby, who has health conditions. his RX formula is $500 a month, and his meds are about $200 a month. i cant work, because i have to take care of him. my credit went to hell, because i stopped paying my bills. my boyfriend is still in school finishing his degree, so he works when he isnt in school. we *cannot* afford this without assistance. we have already eliminated any rent by living with family, i do not have a cell phone, in fact i do not have any luxuries. this internet is paid for by the people we live with right now. hell, we cant even buy groceries, so i have been starving every day for about a year now. i dont have money to buy shampoo, tampons, toothpaste, nothing. somtimes family donates it to me. and as a matter of fact, i am going to get on food stamps. i am incredibly thankful for wic, they cover my sons prescription formula. (most of it) i am not ashamed of taking assistance, because i truly need it for my son.


((hugs))
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Posted: 04-03-07 12:28pm

you should see the abuse of the gov't down here.

Talk about nausiating.

Food stamps are *not* meant for people to buy fudge bars, and marshmallows!!!! It tears me up!!

Nat, I didn't know you were going through all of this. (I knew about .trace's condition) but not about your personal goings on.

I'm sorry that you have to go through this. Especially with a 10.5 month old.

Sarah
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