Life For Duo Who Killed Unborn Posted: 03-30-07 09:38am
Wednesday, March 28, 2007
Unlawful (and Lawful) Taking of Human Life
Tuesday’s Boston Globe front page
reports on the first degree homicide
conviction of two Boston men:
2 guilty in shooting of mother-to-be
Face life terms in baby's death
After 10 days of deliberation , a Suffolk
Superior Court jury convicted two men
yesterday of first-degree homicide in a
brazen 2003 shooting of a pregnant woman
on a crowded Orange Line train that
resulted in the death of her child.
Chimezie Akara, 23, and Andre Green, 22,
were each charged with firing an errant
hollow point bullet that struck Hawa Barry
in the abdomen on Feb. 5, 2003. Barry, who
was 8 1/2 months pregnant at the time,
survived, but her son died 45 minutes
after being delivered by Cesarean
section…The two were also found guilty
of three counts of armed assault with
intent to homicide, three counts of
assault and battery with a dangerous
weapon, and one count each of unlawful
possession of a firearm and ammunition.
They face mandatory life in prison without
parole at sentencing today.
A life prison term without parole is
mandatory under Massachusetts law (I
believe) for persons convicted of first
degree homicide.
The Boston Globe news story is accurate
and unbiased. The term homicide can be
defined as the unlawful taking of a human
life. These men committed that crime.
Neither is there ambiguity as to the
“birth status” of their homicide
victim, since the murdered boy had a
Caesarian birth 45 minutes before his
tragic death.
Yet it is inescapable to ponder that it is
perfectly legal (though uncommon) for a
physician to terminate the pregnancy of a
woman who is in her 2nd or even 3rd
trimester, via the procedure known as IDX
to the medical establishment and Partial
Birth Abortion to Pro-Lifers. The
procedure was used in 0.17% of all
abortions in 2000 according to the
staunchly pro abortion-rights Alan
Guttmacher Institute. There are more than
1 million abortions performed in the US
each year, so the number of IDX abortions
performed in the US is at least 1700 per
year, if the Guttmacher study data
reflects current practice. Wikipedia gives
the number at 2500-3000 per year.
Today these 2 men are headed for a life
sentence not because they shot the
mother-to-be. That crime was assault with
intent to homicide. The mother is still
very much alive. They will receive the
mandatory life sentence because in
shooting her they took the life of her
unborn child. What they did was certainly
unlawful, but was what they did any less
the “taking of a human life” than are
these horrid medical procedures?
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Moo
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Posted: 03-30-07 10:09am
There are several differences between this
case and abortion.
Firstly abortion is the woman's
choice - this woman clearly intended to
continue her pregnancy.
Secondly, abortions at the gestation this
woman was at are illegal unless there is
severe foetal abnormality or the woman
have severe health problems.
Thirdly, the child was born alive,
it died as a person.
diamond splinter
wrote:
The term not a nice act can
be defined as the unlawful
taking of a human
life.
The key word here is unlawful
- abortion is not unlawful when set within
the parameters of the law.
I don't have a problem with D&X
procedures either fyi.
Last edited by Moo on 03-30-07 10:10am; edited 1 time in total
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lagrimas
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Posted: 03-30-07 10:10am
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE COURT GIVING THEM
FIRST DEGREE. THEY SHOULD GET THE DEATH
SENTENCE FOR TAKING LIFE FROM A PERSON WHO
HASN'T EXPERIENCED IT YET. AT LEAST THE
BABY IS IN A BETTER PLACE. what IS THIS
WORLD BEEN COMING TO LATELY ???
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Posted: 03-30-07 15:50pm
lagrimas
wrote:
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE
COURT GIVING THEM FIRST DEGREE. THEY
SHOULD GET THE DEATH SENTENCE FOR TAKING
LIFE FROM A PERSON WHO HASN'T EXPERIENCED
IT YET. AT LEAST THE BABY IS IN A BETTER
PLACE. what IS THIS WORLD BEEN COMING TO
LATELY ???
For the love of god, don't type in all
caps. I'm for once glad that this place
edits those out; but i still see them when
I quote you.
I agree with the court's desicion, but not
for the reason you do.
I am pro-choice.
However, this was clearly a wanted baby,
and it could have been born at this point
and had mild or no complications.
This fetus was what I call viable, and as
such, it's unintended death is
murder.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE
COURT GIVING THEM FIRST DEGREE. THEY
SHOULD GET THE DEATH SENTENCE FOR TAKING
LIFE FROM A PERSON WHO HASN'T EXPERIENCED
IT YET. AT LEAST THE BABY IS IN A BETTER
PLACE. what IS THIS WORLD BEEN COMING TO
LATELY ???
For the love of god, don't type in all
caps. I'm for once glad that this place
edits those out; but i still see them when
I quote you.
I agree with the court's desicion, but not
for the reason you do.
I am pro-choice.
However, this was clearly a wanted baby,
and it could have been born at this point
and had mild or no complications.
This fetus was what I call viable, and as
such, it's unintended death is
murder.
I don't know what view to have on this,
but the foetus's death definitely wasn't
homicide because it is not a
legally-protected or idnetified person.
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Posted: 03-31-07 18:11pm
lagrimas
wrote:
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE
COURT GIVING THEM FIRST DEGREE. THEY
SHOULD GET THE DEATH SENTENCE FOR TAKING
LIFE FROM A PERSON WHO HASN'T EXPERIENCED
IT YET. AT LEAST THE BABY IS IN A BETTER
PLACE. what IS THIS WORLD BEEN COMING TO
LATELY ???
An eye for an eye makes the whole world
blind. -Gandhi
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diamond splinter
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Posted: 05-01-07 09:01am
Kypros
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
lagrimas
wrote:
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE
COURT GIVING THEM FIRST DEGREE. THEY
SHOULD GET THE DEATH SENTENCE FOR TAKING
LIFE FROM A PERSON WHO HASN'T EXPERIENCED
IT YET. AT LEAST THE BABY IS IN A BETTER
PLACE. what IS THIS WORLD BEEN COMING TO
LATELY ???
For the love of god, don't type in all
caps. I'm for once glad that this place
edits those out; but i still see them when
I quote you.
I agree with the court's desicion, but not
for the reason you do.
I am pro-choice.
However, this was clearly a wanted baby,
and it could have been born at this point
and had mild or no complications.
This fetus was what I call viable, and as
such, it's unintended death is
murder.
I don't know what view to have on this,
but the foetus's death definitely wasn't
not a nice act because it is not a
legally-protected or idnetified
person.
Ahhh but in the eyes of the court it was
murder
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Jincks013
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Posted: 05-04-07 08:40am
diamond splinter There is a large
difference in a 12 wk gestation, the point
at which most abortions happen by, and a
34 week gestation, which 8 1/2 months
would be.
There is zero survivability outside the
womb at 12 weeks but at 34 weeks there is
a 70 - 90% survival rate; not mind you
that there are not other complications but
in a NICU unit a 34 week gestated fetus
holds a fair chance of survival out of the
womb.
Thats modern medical science in action.
The woman was shot, the fetus was shot at
a point, even in the U.S, where abortion
is illegal except in cases where pregnancy
endangers the life of the mother.
Why do you persist in posting inaccurate
melodrama and misleading 'facts' about
abortion I have no idea. Get a hobby, its
more productive.
Your myth aside the fact remain in
statistics compiled by the Alan Guttmacher
Institute's research confirm the
"600-per-year figure and indicate that
abortions in the third trimester (the 7th,
8th and 9th months) of pregnancy are
indeed very rare, accounting for fewer
than 0.04% of abortions. Third trimester
abortions are done when necessary to
protect a woman's life or health, in many
cases when there are severe fetal
abnormalities that make it risky to
continue the pregnancy. A large percentage
of second trimester abortions,
particularly those in the late second
trimester, are performed for the same
reasons."
Did you catch the part about necessary to
protect the womans life and/or health? Did
you miss or deliberately ignore the part
about severe fetal abnormalities? Does
Trisomy 13, Anencephaly, Exencephaly,
Meningomyelocele or congenital neoplasms
sound at all familiar to you? If not you
should look them up and actually see what
you rail against and promote in promoting
forced gestation of severe abnormalities.
Put away the propaganda toys please and
take a little while to learn what you are
actually 'fighting' here.
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diamond splinter
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Posted: 05-07-07 05:31am
HEY STUPID COW IT WAS homicide AS THE LAW
SAW FIT SO WIND YOUR NECK IN AND TAKE YOUR
FACE FOR A SHYTE YOUR DRIBBLING CRAP
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Jincks013
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Posted: 05-07-07 08:39am
diamond splinter
wrote:
HEY STUPID COW IT WAS not a
nice act AS THE LAW SAW FIT SO WIND YOUR
NECK IN AND TAKE YOUR FACE FOR A SHYTE
YOUR DRIBBLING
CRAP
I'll take that to mean no, you didn't do
your homework and cannot logically in a
reasonable fashion dispute my facts.
Kindly keep the personal insults to a
minimum unless, of course, your
educational level is such that you are
unable to articulate a response in a more
mature and responsible fashion.
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Birch
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Posted: 05-07-07 10:24am
diamond splinter
wrote:
HEY STUPID COW IT WAS not a
nice act AS THE LAW SAW FIT SO WIND YOUR
NECK IN AND TAKE YOUR FACE FOR A SHYTE
YOUR DRIBBLING
CRAP
*chuckle* Wow, I bet you and cowboys
teach your children wonderful things. At
least be creative in your insults. Put
some effort into them.
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diamond splinter
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Posted: 05-08-07 05:19am
Hey at least my kids are alive and not
rotting in some abortionist bucket
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Jincks013
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Posted: 05-08-07 06:50am
LMAO.
My kids are alive as well, not the
remenant human tissue, which is not a
'kid' properly disposed of in legal and
sanitary ways, either.
Whats your point?
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Birch
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Posted: 05-08-07 06:52am
diamond splinter
wrote:
Hey at least my kids are
alive and not rotting in some abortionist
bucket
Okay, this is more creative. Kudos!
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diamond splinter
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Posted: 05-08-07 08:10am
Birch
wrote:
diamond splinter
wrote:
Hey at least my kids are
alive and not rotting in some abortionist
bucket
Okay, this is more creative.
Kudos!
So happy you aprove
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Jincks013
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Posted: 05-08-07 08:39am
BTW Splinter.. did you actually look up
trisomy 13, anencephaly, exencephaly,
meningomyelocele or congenital neoplasms
or are we still playing misinformation
melodrama?
