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Posted: 03-30-07 16:26pm

tomorrow 31st March 2007 I will be attending a prayer vigil outside of an abortion clinic in Leeds..U.K the procession will start at around 10 am .G.M.T our vigil will last approx 2hrs I encourage all pro lifers and pro choicers to join your prayers to ours for the doctors, mothers and unborn children who are in need of them. I will keep you all in my heart and all of you will all be spiritually present with me.
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Posted: 03-30-07 18:04pm

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tomorrow 31st March 2007 I will be attending a prayer vigil outside of an abortion clinic in Leeds..U.K the procession will start at around 10 am .G.M.T our vigil will last approx 2hrs I encourage all pro lifers and pro choicers to join your prayers to ours for the doctors, mothers and unborn children who are in need of them. I will keep you all in my heart and all of you will all be spiritually present with me.


I hope you meet a young girl there who will change your life. She was raped by her brother. I hope you meet the woman who is aborting a fetus so deformed that it would die hours after birth; I hope you see the pain and love in her eyes and I hope the hatred she has for you and your narrow-minded ways burns your soul deeper than hell ever could. I hope your life is changed by the woman who is aborting because her fetus is killing her.

I don't pray, but if I did I would pray that your eyes are opened to every woman and every choice. I hope you finally see the truth behind the college student's eyes as she and her boyfriend step through those doors so that they can achieve their dreams. I hope you realise that your beliefs are not always right, and that your preconcieved notions can, and are, wrong.

I want you to pray, instead, for the abused child, whose mother is ignorant and 16, and whose father beats her for not having enough drug money. I want you to pray for the child in the foster system whose mother died during child birth. I want you to pray for the child who was not aborted, but who now suffers more pain than they ever could have imagined. I want you to pray for the child who doesn't have a bright future because his family is too poor to feed him, a child who will never get to go to college, but whose pain could have been prevented with one simple procedure.

I want you to pray for all the pregnant teens who, because of people like .bush, don't know about condoms, think that condoms don't work, and think that birth control kills babies. These teens are pregnant and considering abortion because of people like you and him. You caused their abortions. He is killing the babies you want to save, by promoting abstinance-only education.

I want you to go educate about birth control in a school instead. I want you to reach out to young and ignorant teens, and tell them that the urges they have are not evil. Teach them about their bodies, and even teach that sex is for people who truly love each other. Advise against casual and unprotected sex. Show them how many ways they can protect themselves.
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Posted: 03-30-07 20:16pm

Eiri - I'm sorry but I thought your post was highly inappropriate, well the first part anyway. I think you have gone a bit far in voicing your opinions. I totally agree in free speech and the right to voice your own opinions but when you say things like I hope you see the pain and love in her eyes and I hope the hatred she has for you and your narrow-minded ways burns your soul deeper than hell ever could. It might sound narrow minded to you but that is your opinion.... Look im not saying that I agree with the original poster or not but I think you should show some more respect when voicing your opinion.

This is only my opinion.

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We put alot of emphasis on sex education in our school system and we are taught about birth control, how to use it, when to use it, truths about myths e.g the pull out method is a form of birth control. We still have the problems that you are blaming .Bush for and personally I dont believe it is .Bush's fault as it should be the role of the parent. The bottom line is people are going to do what they want regardless of how many times we tell them.
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Posted: 03-30-07 20:51pm

I don't pray very much, but the only reason I'd pray outside an abortion clinic is for all the women seeking the procedure go through it as painlessly and quickly as possible. I would also hope these women suffer no post-abortion infections or run-ins with pro-life pharmacists who deny them antibiotics prescribed after an abortion to prevent infection.

It's not the unborn, unwanted fetuses that need your prayers, pro-lifer - it's the kids in the system, the kids who are abused, prostituted, and neglected who need them. Pull your head out of your a** for five seconds and maybe you'll understand this.
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Posted: 03-30-07 22:12pm

Auzzie_Wanting_To_Help wrote:
Eiri - I'm sorry but I thought your post was highly inappropriate, well the first part anyway. I think you have gone a bit far in voicing your opinions. I totally agree in free speech and the right to voice your own opinions but when you say things like I hope you see the pain and love in her eyes and I hope the hatred she has for you and your narrow-minded ways burns your soul deeper than hell ever could. It might sound narrow minded to you but that is your opinion.... Look im not saying that I agree with the original poster or not but I think you should show some more respect when voicing your opinion.

This is only my opinion.

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We put alot of emphasis on sex education in our school system and we are taught about birth control, how to use it, when to use it, truths about myths e.g the pull out method is a form of birth control. We still have the problems that you are blaming .Bush for and personally I dont believe it is .Bush's fault as it should be the role of the parent. The bottom line is people are going to do what they want regardless of how many times we tell them.


You don't know me very well yet; what I posted was very polite of me indeed.

I want any pro-lifer who protests like this woman is planning to do to get what they deserve, which isn't heaven. Sure they mean well, but unfortunately they can't see the big picture. I want this woman's eyes to be opened, and that might be a painful revelation.

And you're wrong; you obviously don't pay attention to politics, or you'd know that bush is intending to take away funding from schools that teach more than just abstinance.

And I happen to know that birth control knowledge is dangerously low in america; just look at the birth control forum on this site and you'll understand. I also know of ignorant people offline, young girls whom I fear for, because they have been lied to or simply never ever educated.
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Posted: 03-31-07 07:14am

Are you completly stupid Erie?
can you not read?
where did the op state that she was protesting?

Oh thats right she didn't did she thats you twisting her post funny how pro choicers seem to have that down to a fine art.

Read here post if you are capable that ios she said she was attending a prayer vigil not a protest i sugest you invest in a dictionary and get a clue


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Posted: 03-31-07 09:36am

diamond splinter wrote:
prayer vigil not a protest i sugest you invest i a dictionary and get a clue



Prayer vigils outside abortion clinics are hardly neutral events. They wouldn't be there if they weren't protesting abortion. It's either naive, or covering up the real agenda to proclaim otherwise. Rolling Eyes

.Eiri, I really liked your first post and thought it was well written.

Auzzie_Wanting wrote:
I totally agree in free speech and the right to voice your own opinions but when you say things like I hope you see the pain and love in her eyes and I hope the hatred she has for you and your narrow-minded ways burns your soul deeper than hell ever could.


This isn't even a complete sentence, but regardless, I get the drift. "I believe in free speech until it becomes offensive to me" is what I see written here and in the rest of your post. Laughing

Just giving you a hard time, Auzzie, nothing personal. Wink
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Posted: 03-31-07 15:16pm

Well I have been to the prayer vigil, the clinic was quite busy and I felt a real sadness. There was a little bit of "argy bargy" at the Marie Stropes Clinic in Leeds today. Apart from a Number of Women hurling obsenities at our peaceful, prayerful and respectful vigil one man was very agressive with both us and our property, Thankfully for our part at this point we simply kneeled down and prayed harder which seemed to disengage the situation. We were also Photographed and video recorded by Police Camera Crews and Monetered every few minutes by police in passing unmarked Cars
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Posted: 03-31-07 18:07pm

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Well I have been to the prayer vigil, the clinic was quite busy and I felt a real sadness. There was a little bit of "argy bargy" at the Marie Stropes Clinic in Leeds today. Apart from a Number of Women hurling obsenities at our peaceful, prayerful and respectful vigil one man was very agressive with both us and our property, Thankfully for our part at this point we simply kneeled down and prayed harder which seemed to disengage the situation. We were also Photographed and video recorded by Police Camera Crews and Monetered every few minutes by police in passing unmarked Cars


If you want to make a positive change, start praying for social policy changes in women's issues, child care, insurance, education, etc. Plopping yourself down in front of an abortion clinic isn't going to help anyone; it's only a sick attempt a little free media exposure and hoping to impart guilt on women's shoulders.

It's a shame that people who have a mind to make changes go about it the completely wrong way.
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Posted: 03-31-07 20:36pm

Birch wrote:
diamond splinter wrote:
prayer vigil not a protest i sugest you invest i a dictionary and get a clue



Prayer vigils outside abortion clinics are hardly neutral events. They wouldn't be there if they weren't protesting abortion. It's either naive, or covering up the real agenda to proclaim otherwise. Rolling Eyes

.Eiri, I really liked your first post and thought it was well written.

Auzzie_Wanting wrote:
I totally agree in free speech and the right to voice your own opinions but when you say things like I hope you see the pain and love in her eyes and I hope the hatred she has for you and your narrow-minded ways burns your soul deeper than hell ever could.


This isn't even a complete sentence, but regardless, I get the drift. "I believe in free speech until it becomes offensive to me" is what I see written here and in the rest of your post. Laughing

Just giving you a hard time, Auzzie, nothing personal. Wink


Hey Birch!

Lol i can take you giving me a hard time and dont worry i dont take anything off here personally! Okay now that we have that straight haha...... I do agree with you though i do believe in free speech until it becomes offensive and its true, I just think that there are ways to voice your opinions without being offensive! Dont get me wrong, I thought the rest of the post was well written and i see what .Eiri is saying but yeah maybe next time a little more respectful.

This is also nothing personal against you .Eiri either! Smile
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Posted: 04-01-07 08:41am

Anonymous wrote:
Well I have been to the prayer vigil, the clinic was quite busy and I felt a real sadness. There was a little bit of "argy bargy" at the Marie Stropes Clinic in Leeds today. Apart from a Number of Women hurling obsenities at our peaceful, prayerful and respectful vigil one man was very agressive with both us and our property, Thankfully for our part at this point we simply kneeled down and prayed harder which seemed to disengage the situation. We were also Photographed and video recorded by Police Camera Crews and Monetered every few minutes by police in passing unmarked Cars

Were you praying for the women who were in such a position that they needed to abort or for the "unborn children" ?
Maybe the women were upset because they didn't want to face people who think they know better than the women themselves. I'm pleased you were monitered. I have always been very grateful of the fact that protests of any form outside of abortion facilities doesn't seem to really happen here, I sincerely hope that this doesn't change.

The fact is yuo know nothing of these women or there reasons for aborting, maybe you could just pray in your own home instead of making your views known to women who do not want it pushed into their face.
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Posted: 04-01-07 13:14pm

"I have always been very grateful of the fact that protests of any form outside of abortion facilities doesn't seem to really happen here, I sincerely hope that this doesn't change. "


Moo, If you mean in the UK. I am sorry to inform you that There is a pro life prayer vigil outside of the clinic in leeds every weekend and the same is true at most of the larger venue's and there is plans afoot within pro life circles to extend them to the smaller ones, hospitals who offer abortions and Embryonic/ human emberyonic genetic research centres.

Just because you dont hear about it on the news dosnt mean these vigils dont take place. Its not too long ago that a group of Pro life vigil was disrupted in liverpool many people were arested. There was a bit of objection from some pro choice members of the public who called the police, when they arrived the police told them that we had cleared it with them. This agitated the pro choicers who started trouble and one pro choice person Hit a police officer the result was that both the pro life and pro choice members of the public were arrested.
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Posted: 04-01-07 14:46pm

diamond splinter wrote:
Are you completly stupid Erie?
can you not read?
where did the op state that she was protesting?

Oh thats right she didn't did she thats you twisting her post funny how pro choicers seem to have that down to a fine art.

Read here post if you are capable that ios she said she was attending a prayer vigil not a protest i sugest you invest in a dictionary and get a clue


"I will be attending a prayer vigil outside of an abortion clinic "

It's the same thing. They are blocking the way of honest women who are simply trying to have a life. They are trying to force their religion and their beliefs upon these women.

It is wrong. There is nothing right about what this lady is trying to do. Not a single thing.
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Posted: 04-01-07 14:50pm

Anonymous wrote:
Well I have been to the prayer vigil, the clinic was quite busy and I felt a real sadness. There was a little bit of "argy bargy" at the Marie Stropes Clinic in Leeds today. Apart from a Number of Women hurling obsenities at our peaceful, prayerful and respectful vigil one man was very agressive with both us and our property, Thankfully for our part at this point we simply kneeled down and prayed harder which seemed to disengage the situation. We were also Photographed and video recorded by Police Camera Crews and Monetered every few minutes by police in passing unmarked Cars


I'm so sorry that you didn't learn anything. One more life lost. I'm glad for every single obscenity you recieved, and honestly, you deserve more than you go. I'm als proud of the man who had the guts to fly in the face of your guilt-inducing religious crap. I also hope the news represents you in their program as the crazy religious nuts that you are.

^-- the above program is totally what I can consider as less appropriate! This is me not being polite.
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Posted: 04-01-07 21:42pm

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Anonymous wrote:
Well I have been to the prayer vigil, the clinic was quite busy and I felt a real sadness. There was a little bit of "argy bargy" at the Marie Stropes Clinic in Leeds today. Apart from a Number of Women hurling obsenities at our peaceful, prayerful and respectful vigil one man was very agressive with both us and our property, Thankfully for our part at this point we simply kneeled down and prayed harder which seemed to disengage the situation. We were also Photographed and video recorded by Police Camera Crews and Monetered every few minutes by police in passing unmarked Cars


If you want to make a positive change, start praying for social policy changes in women's issues, child care, insurance, education, etc. Plopping yourself down in front of an abortion clinic isn't going to help anyone; it's only a sick attempt a little free media exposure and hoping to impart guilt on women's shoulders.

It's a shame that people who have a mind to make changes go about it the completely wrong way.


birch it doesn't sound to me that this peaceful people praying in a vigil their purpose is to have media exposure and hoping to impart guilts on women' shoulders. What if you are wrong? What if this people are really there to pray for the women and the unborn children? I don't think you should judge them when you don't know their intentions which so far the evidence is what they are doing is praying.

So you think women going for an abortion could feel any guilt just by seeing people praying?

I tell you this birch, if i see people praying specially if i'm going through a difficult situation I would hop in the praying circle and tell them to impose their hands and pray for me. Oh it is amazing, I feel new afterwards.
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Posted: 04-01-07 22:02pm

Anonymous wrote:
Well I have been to the prayer vigil, the clinic was quite busy and I felt a real sadness. There was a little bit of "argy bargy" at the Marie Stropes Clinic in Leeds today. Apart from a Number of Women hurling obsenities at our peaceful, prayerful and respectful vigil one man was very agressive with both us and our property, Thankfully for our part at this point we simply kneeled down and prayed harder which seemed to disengage the situation. We were also Photographed and video recorded by Police Camera Crews and Monetered every few minutes by police in passing unmarked Cars





Guest I think it is noble of you to attend a prayer vigil for the women and the unborns. They do need we pray for them. Remember today on palm sunday what jesus said (please excuse me the fellows here who don't like jedi language) "If the world hates you, be aware that it hated me before it hated you. If you belonged to the world, the world would love you as its own. Because you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world — therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, 'Servants are not greater than their master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you"

keep up the prayers!
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Posted: 04-02-07 01:10am

nightangel73 wrote:
please excuse me the fellows here who don't like jedi language


Have I missed something? What's being a .Jedi knight got to do with anything? Confused
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Posted: 04-02-07 01:19am

I don't have a problem with anyone who wants to quietly pray outside an abortion clinic, as long as they do not speak to/interact with any of the patients who will be visiting (unless the patient wants to speak to them of course). They should not obstruct anyone from visiting the building either. In the same token, I would not object to someone who wanted to mount a dignified protest outside of an animal testing lab.

My belief is, however, that prayers change nothing. If you really want to change the status quo then you need to try and get the laws changed and raise people's awareness of the issues you are against. The best way to do that is in a non-hysterical, factual way and not by screaming fire and brimstone at people.
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Posted: 04-02-07 05:56am

PurestGreen wrote:


My belief is, however, that prayers change nothing. If you really want to change the status quo then you need to try and get the laws changed and raise people's awareness of the issues you are against. The best way to do that is in a non-hysterical, factual way and not by screaming fire and brimstone at people.



Prayer is the best thing we can do. I do not want the laws changed. We pray so that god changes the hearts of the people. When this happens everything else falls into place.
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Posted: 04-02-07 10:29am

nightangel73 wrote:
If you want to make a positive change, start praying for social policy changes in women's issues, child care, insurance, education, etc. Plopping yourself down in front of an abortion clinic isn't going to help anyone; it's only a sick attempt a little free media exposure and hoping to impart guilt on women's shoulders.

It's a shame that people who have a mind to make changes go about it the completely wrong way.

birch it doesn't sound to me that this peaceful people praying in a vigil their purpose is to have media exposure and hoping to impart guilts on women' shoulders. What if you are wrong? What if this people are really there to pray for the women and the unborn children? I don't think you should judge them when you don't know their intentions which so far the evidence is what they are doing is praying.

So you think women going for an abortion could feel any guilt just by seeing people praying?

I tell you this birch, if i see people praying specially if i'm going through a difficult situation I would hop in the praying circle and tell them to impose their hands and pray for me. Oh it is amazing, I feel new afterwards.


It is naive to think that these people are solely doing this altruistically to pray for the women and unborn. If they wanted to just pray, they could do it in the privacy of their church or their own homes. No, they want to be seen; by the media and by the women going into the clinics. Does god listen more closely if you do it outside an abortion clinic? No, but the media does.

I did not say that women going for an abortion could feel guilty just by seeing people praying; I said that the people praying intended for these women to feel guilt by seeing their actions.

This poster said their "property" was treated aggressively. I wonder what their "property" was?

Many people do not share your enthusiasm for praying. I find it annoying.
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