tomorrow 31st March 2007 I will be
attending a prayer vigil outside of an
abortion clinic in Leeds..U.K the
procession will start at around 10 am
.G.M.T our vigil will last approx 2hrs I
encourage all pro lifers and pro choicers
to join your prayers to ours for the
doctors, mothers and unborn children who
are in need of them. I will keep you all
in my heart and all of you will all be
spiritually present with me.
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Re: In My Heart. Posted: 03-30-07 18:04pm
Anonymous
wrote:
tomorrow 31st March 2007 I
will be attending a prayer vigil outside
of an abortion clinic in Leeds..U.K the
procession will start at around 10 am
.G.M.T our vigil will last approx 2hrs I
encourage all pro lifers and pro choicers
to join your prayers to ours for the
doctors, mothers and unborn children who
are in need of them. I will keep you all
in my heart and all of you will all be
spiritually present with
me.
I hope you meet a young girl there who
will change your life. She was raped by
her brother. I hope you meet the woman who
is aborting a fetus so deformed that it
would die hours after birth; I hope you
see the pain and love in her eyes and I
hope the hatred she has for you and your
narrow-minded ways burns your soul deeper
than hell ever could. I hope your life is
changed by the woman who is aborting
because her fetus is killing her.
I don't pray, but if I did I would pray
that your eyes are opened to every woman
and every choice. I hope you finally see
the truth behind the college student's
eyes as she and her boyfriend step through
those doors so that they can achieve their
dreams. I hope you realise that your
beliefs are not always right, and that
your preconcieved notions can, and are,
wrong.
I want you to pray, instead, for the
abused child, whose mother is ignorant and
16, and whose father beats her for not
having enough drug money. I want you to
pray for the child in the foster system
whose mother died during child birth. I
want you to pray for the child who was not
aborted, but who now suffers more pain
than they ever could have imagined. I want
you to pray for the child who doesn't have
a bright future because his family is too
poor to feed him, a child who will never
get to go to college, but whose pain could
have been prevented with one simple
procedure.
I want you to pray for all the pregnant
teens who, because of people like .bush,
don't know about condoms, think that
condoms don't work, and think that birth
control kills babies. These teens are
pregnant and considering abortion because
of people like you and him. You caused
their abortions. He is killing the babies
you want to save, by promoting
abstinance-only education.
I want you to go educate about birth
control in a school instead. I want you to
reach out to young and ignorant teens, and
tell them that the urges they have are not
evil. Teach them about their bodies, and
even teach that sex is for people who
truly love each other. Advise against
casual and unprotected sex. Show them how
many ways they can protect themselves.
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Auzzie_Wanting_To_Help
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Posted: 03-30-07 20:16pm
Eiri - I'm sorry but I thought your post
was highly inappropriate, well the first
part anyway. I think you have gone a bit
far in voicing your opinions. I totally
agree in free speech and the right to
voice your own opinions but when you say
things like I hope you see the pain and
love in her eyes and I hope the hatred she
has for you and your narrow-minded ways
burns your soul deeper than hell ever
could. It might sound narrow minded to you
but that is your opinion.... Look im not
saying that I agree with the original
poster or not but I think you should show
some more respect when voicing your
opinion.
This is only my opinion.
**Added**
We put alot of emphasis on sex education
in our school system and we are taught
about birth control, how to use it, when
to use it, truths about myths e.g the pull
out method is a form of birth control. We
still have the problems that you are
blaming .Bush for and personally I dont
believe it is .Bush's fault as it should
be the role of the parent. The bottom line
is people are going to do what they want
regardless of how many times we tell them.
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I don't pray very much, but the only
reason I'd pray outside an abortion clinic
is for all the women seeking the procedure
go through it as painlessly and quickly as
possible. I would also hope these women
suffer no post-abortion infections or
run-ins with pro-life pharmacists who deny
them antibiotics prescribed after an
abortion to prevent infection.
It's not the unborn, unwanted fetuses that
need your prayers, pro-lifer - it's the
kids in the system, the kids who are
abused, prostituted, and neglected who
need them. Pull your head out of your a**
for five seconds and maybe you'll
understand this.
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Posted: 03-30-07 22:12pm
Auzzie_Wanting_To_Help
wrote:
Eiri - I'm sorry but I
thought your post was highly
inappropriate, well the first part anyway.
I think you have gone a bit far in voicing
your opinions. I totally agree in free
speech and the right to voice your own
opinions but when you say things like I
hope you see the pain and love in her eyes
and I hope the hatred she has for you and
your narrow-minded ways burns your soul
deeper than hell ever could. It might
sound narrow minded to you but that is
your opinion.... Look im not saying that I
agree with the original poster or not but
I think you should show some more respect
when voicing your opinion.
This is only my opinion.
**Added**
We put alot of emphasis on sex education
in our school system and we are taught
about birth control, how to use it, when
to use it, truths about myths e.g the pull
out method is a form of birth control. We
still have the problems that you are
blaming .Bush for and personally I dont
believe it is .Bush's fault as it should
be the role of the parent. The bottom line
is people are going to do what they want
regardless of how many times we tell
them.
You don't know me very well yet; what I
posted was very polite of me indeed.
I want any pro-lifer who protests like
this woman is planning to do to get what
they deserve, which isn't heaven. Sure
they mean well, but unfortunately they
can't see the big picture. I want this
woman's eyes to be opened, and that might
be a painful revelation.
And you're wrong; you obviously don't pay
attention to politics, or you'd know that
bush is intending to take away funding
from schools that teach more than just
abstinance.
And I happen to know that birth control
knowledge is dangerously low in america;
just look at the birth control forum on
this site and you'll understand. I also
know of ignorant people offline, young
girls whom I fear for, because they have
been lied to or simply never ever
educated.
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Posted: 03-31-07 07:14am
Are you completly stupid Erie?
can you not read?
where did the op state that she was
protesting?
Oh thats right she didn't did she thats
you twisting her post funny how pro
choicers seem to have that down to a fine
art.
Read here post if you are capable that ios
she said she was attending a prayer vigil
not a protest i sugest you invest in a
dictionary and get a clue
Last edited by diamond splinter on 03-31-07 09:41am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: 03-31-07 09:36am
diamond splinter
wrote:
prayer vigil not a protest i
sugest you invest i a dictionary and get a
clue
Prayer vigils outside abortion clinics are
hardly neutral events. They wouldn't be
there if they weren't protesting abortion.
It's either naive, or covering up the
real agenda to proclaim otherwise.
.Eiri, I really liked your first post and
thought it was well written.
Auzzie_Wanting
wrote:
I totally agree in free
speech and the right to voice your own
opinions but when you say things like I
hope you see the pain and love in her eyes
and I hope the hatred she has for you and
your narrow-minded ways burns your soul
deeper than hell ever
could.
This isn't even a complete sentence, but
regardless, I get the drift. "I believe in
free speech until it becomes offensive to
me" is what I see written here and in the
rest of your post.
Just giving you a hard time, Auzzie,
nothing personal.
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Well I have been to the prayer vigil, the
clinic was quite busy and I felt a real
sadness. There was a little bit of "argy
bargy" at the Marie Stropes Clinic in
Leeds today. Apart from a Number of Women
hurling obsenities at our peaceful,
prayerful and respectful vigil one man was
very agressive with both us and our
property, Thankfully for our part at this
point we simply kneeled down and prayed
harder which seemed to disengage the
situation. We were also Photographed and
video recorded by Police Camera Crews and
Monetered every few minutes by police in
passing unmarked Cars
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Posted: 03-31-07 18:07pm
Anonymous
wrote:
Well I have been to the
prayer vigil, the clinic was quite busy
and I felt a real sadness. There was a
little bit of "argy bargy" at the Marie
Stropes Clinic in Leeds today. Apart from
a Number of Women hurling obsenities at
our peaceful, prayerful and respectful
vigil one man was very agressive with both
us and our property, Thankfully for our
part at this point we simply kneeled down
and prayed harder which seemed to
disengage the situation. We were also
Photographed and video recorded by Police
Camera Crews and Monetered every few
minutes by police in passing unmarked
Cars
If you want to make a positive change,
start praying for social policy changes in
women's issues, child care, insurance,
education, etc. Plopping yourself down in
front of an abortion clinic isn't going to
help anyone; it's only a sick attempt a
little free media exposure and hoping to
impart guilt on women's shoulders.
It's a shame that people who have a mind
to make changes go about it the completely
wrong way.
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Auzzie_Wanting_To_Help
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Posted: 03-31-07 20:36pm
Birch
wrote:
diamond splinter
wrote:
prayer vigil not a protest i
sugest you invest i a dictionary and get a
clue
Prayer vigils outside abortion clinics are
hardly neutral events. They wouldn't be
there if they weren't protesting abortion.
It's either naive, or covering up the
real agenda to proclaim otherwise.
.Eiri, I really liked your first post and
thought it was well written.
Auzzie_Wanting
wrote:
I totally agree in free
speech and the right to voice your own
opinions but when you say things like I
hope you see the pain and love in her eyes
and I hope the hatred she has for you and
your narrow-minded ways burns your soul
deeper than hell ever
could.
This isn't even a complete sentence, but
regardless, I get the drift. "I believe in
free speech until it becomes offensive to
me" is what I see written here and in the
rest of your post.
Just giving you a hard time, Auzzie,
nothing personal.
Hey Birch!
Lol i can take you giving me a hard time
and dont worry i dont take anything off
here personally! Okay now that we have
that straight haha...... I do agree with
you though i do believe in free speech
until it becomes offensive and its true, I
just think that there are ways to voice
your opinions without being offensive!
Dont get me wrong, I thought the rest of
the post was well written and i see what
.Eiri is saying but yeah maybe next time a
little more respectful.
This is also nothing personal against you
.Eiri either!
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Anonymous
wrote:
Well I have been to the
prayer vigil, the clinic was quite busy
and I felt a real sadness. There was a
little bit of "argy bargy" at the Marie
Stropes Clinic in Leeds today. Apart from
a Number of Women hurling obsenities at
our peaceful, prayerful and respectful
vigil one man was very agressive with both
us and our property, Thankfully for our
part at this point we simply kneeled down
and prayed harder which seemed to
disengage the situation. We were also
Photographed and video recorded by Police
Camera Crews and Monetered every few
minutes by police in passing unmarked
Cars
Were you praying for the women who were in
such a position that they needed to abort
or for the "unborn children" ?
Maybe the women were upset because they
didn't want to face people who think they
know better than the women themselves. I'm
pleased you were monitered. I have always
been very grateful of the fact that
protests of any form outside of abortion
facilities doesn't seem to really happen
here, I sincerely hope that this doesn't
change.
The fact is yuo know nothing of these
women or there reasons for aborting, maybe
you could just pray in your own home
instead of making your views known to
women who do not want it pushed into their
face.
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"I have always been very grateful of the
fact that protests of any form outside of
abortion facilities doesn't seem to really
happen here, I sincerely hope that this
doesn't change. "
Moo, If you mean in the UK. I am sorry to
inform you that There is a pro life prayer
vigil outside of the clinic in leeds every
weekend and the same is true at most of
the larger venue's and there is plans
afoot within pro life circles to extend
them to the smaller ones, hospitals who
offer abortions and Embryonic/ human
emberyonic genetic research centres.
Just because you dont hear about it on the
news dosnt mean these vigils dont take
place. Its not too long ago that a group
of Pro life vigil was disrupted in
liverpool many people were arested. There
was a bit of objection from some pro
choice members of the public who called
the police, when they arrived the police
told them that we had cleared it with
them. This agitated the pro choicers who
started trouble and one pro choice person
Hit a police officer the result was that
both the pro life and pro choice members
of the public were arrested.
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Posted: 04-01-07 14:46pm
diamond splinter
wrote:
Are you completly stupid
Erie?
can you not read?
where did the op state that she was
protesting?
Oh thats right she didn't did she thats
you twisting her post funny how pro
choicers seem to have that down to a fine
art.
Read here post if you are capable that ios
she said she was attending a prayer vigil
not a protest i sugest you invest in a
dictionary and get a
clue
"I will be attending a prayer vigil
outside of an abortion clinic "
It's the same thing. They are blocking the
way of honest women who are simply trying
to have a life. They are trying to force
their religion and their beliefs upon
these women.
It is wrong. There is nothing right about
what this lady is trying to do. Not a
single thing.
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Posted: 04-01-07 14:50pm
Anonymous
wrote:
Well I have been to the
prayer vigil, the clinic was quite busy
and I felt a real sadness. There was a
little bit of "argy bargy" at the Marie
Stropes Clinic in Leeds today. Apart from
a Number of Women hurling obsenities at
our peaceful, prayerful and respectful
vigil one man was very agressive with both
us and our property, Thankfully for our
part at this point we simply kneeled down
and prayed harder which seemed to
disengage the situation. We were also
Photographed and video recorded by Police
Camera Crews and Monetered every few
minutes by police in passing unmarked
Cars
I'm so sorry that you didn't learn
anything. One more life lost. I'm glad for
every single obscenity you recieved, and
honestly, you deserve more than you go.
I'm als proud of the man who had the guts
to fly in the face of your guilt-inducing
religious crap. I also hope the news
represents you in their program as the
crazy religious nuts that you are.
^-- the above program is totally what I
can consider as less appropriate! This is
me not being polite.
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Posted: 04-01-07 21:42pm
Birch
wrote:
Anonymous
wrote:
Well I have been to the
prayer vigil, the clinic was quite busy
and I felt a real sadness. There was a
little bit of "argy bargy" at the Marie
Stropes Clinic in Leeds today. Apart from
a Number of Women hurling obsenities at
our peaceful, prayerful and respectful
vigil one man was very agressive with both
us and our property, Thankfully for our
part at this point we simply kneeled down
and prayed harder which seemed to
disengage the situation. We were also
Photographed and video recorded by Police
Camera Crews and Monetered every few
minutes by police in passing unmarked
Cars
If you want to make a positive change,
start praying for social policy changes in
women's issues, child care, insurance,
education, etc. Plopping yourself down in
front of an abortion clinic isn't going to
help anyone; it's only a sick attempt a
little free media exposure and hoping to
impart guilt on women's shoulders.
It's a shame that people who have a mind
to make changes go about it the completely
wrong way.
birch it doesn't sound to me that this
peaceful people praying in a vigil their
purpose is to have media exposure and
hoping to impart guilts on women'
shoulders. What if you are wrong? What if
this people are really there to pray for
the women and the unborn children? I don't
think you should judge them when you don't
know their intentions which so far the
evidence is what they are doing is
praying.
So you think women going for an abortion
could feel any guilt just by seeing people
praying?
I tell you this birch, if i see people
praying specially if i'm going through a
difficult situation I would hop in the
praying circle and tell them to impose
their hands and pray for me. Oh it is
amazing, I feel new afterwards.
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Posted: 04-01-07 22:02pm
Anonymous
wrote:
Well I have been to the
prayer vigil, the clinic was quite busy
and I felt a real sadness. There was a
little bit of "argy bargy" at the Marie
Stropes Clinic in Leeds today. Apart from
a Number of Women hurling obsenities at
our peaceful, prayerful and respectful
vigil one man was very agressive with both
us and our property, Thankfully for our
part at this point we simply kneeled down
and prayed harder which seemed to
disengage the situation. We were also
Photographed and video recorded by Police
Camera Crews and Monetered every few
minutes by police in passing unmarked
Cars
Guest I think it is noble of you to attend
a prayer vigil for the women and the
unborns. They do need we pray for them.
Remember today on palm sunday what jesus
said (please excuse me the fellows here
who don't like jedi language) "If the
world hates you, be aware that it hated me
before it hated you. If you belonged to
the world, the world would love you as its
own. Because you do not belong to the
world, but I have chosen you out of the
world — therefore the world hates you.
Remember the word that I said to you,
'Servants are not greater than their
master.' If they persecuted me, they will
persecute you"
keep up the prayers!
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Posted: 04-02-07 01:10am
nightangel73
wrote:
please excuse me the fellows
here who don't like jedi
language
Have I missed something? What's being a
.Jedi knight got to do with anything?
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I don't have a problem with anyone who
wants to quietly pray outside an abortion
clinic, as long as they do not speak
to/interact with any of the patients who
will be visiting (unless the patient wants
to speak to them of course). They should
not obstruct anyone from visiting the
building either. In the same token, I
would not object to someone who wanted to
mount a dignified protest outside of an
animal testing lab.
My belief is, however, that prayers change
nothing. If you really want to change the
status quo then you need to try and get
the laws changed and raise people's
awareness of the issues you are against.
The best way to do that is in a
non-hysterical, factual way and not by
screaming fire and brimstone at people.
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Posted: 04-02-07 05:56am
PurestGreen
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My belief is, however, that prayers change
nothing. If you really want to change the
status quo then you need to try and get
the laws changed and raise people's
awareness of the issues you are against.
The best way to do that is in a
non-hysterical, factual way and not by
screaming fire and brimstone at
people.
Prayer is the best thing we can do. I do
not want the laws changed. We pray so that
god changes the hearts of the people. When
this happens everything else falls into
place.
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Posted: 04-02-07 10:29am
nightangel73
wrote:
If you want to make a
positive change, start praying for social
policy changes in women's issues, child
care, insurance, education, etc. Plopping
yourself down in front of an abortion
clinic isn't going to help anyone; it's
only a sick attempt a little free media
exposure and hoping to impart guilt on
women's shoulders.
It's a shame that people who have a mind
to make changes go about it the completely
wrong way.
birch it doesn't sound to me that this
peaceful people praying in a vigil their
purpose is to have media exposure and
hoping to impart guilts on women'
shoulders. What if you are wrong? What if
this people are really there to pray for
the women and the unborn children? I don't
think you should judge them when you don't
know their intentions which so far the
evidence is what they are doing is
praying.
So you think women going for an abortion
could feel any guilt just by seeing people
praying?
I tell you this birch, if i see people
praying specially if i'm going through a
difficult situation I would hop in the
praying circle and tell them to impose
their hands and pray for me. Oh it is
amazing, I feel new
afterwards.
It is naive to think that these people are
solely doing this altruistically to pray
for the women and unborn. If they wanted
to just pray, they could do it in the
privacy of their church or their own
homes. No, they want to be seen; by the
media and by the women going into the
clinics. Does god listen more closely if
you do it outside an abortion clinic? No,
but the media does.
I did not say that women going for an
abortion could feel guilty just by seeing
people praying; I said that the people
praying intended for these women to feel
guilt by seeing their actions.
This poster said their "property" was
treated aggressively. I wonder what their
"property" was?
Many people do not share your enthusiasm
for praying. I find it annoying.