Multiple Abortions And Difficulties In Future Pregnancies Posted: 04-04-07 13:06pm
As we have all established, future
fertility problems are not consequences of
first-trimester abortions, as many
pro-lifers enjoy to spread, but I have
been wondering if, after a heavy number of
terminations, the uterus can become
scarred, thin, or damaged to a point where
future miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies,
and infertility are quite clearly possible
consequences? I mean, this is how the
media portrays the issue and I was
thinking if, let's say, a prostitute has
ten abortions are any of the
aforementioned possible as a direct result
of the terminations (probably not
infertility since she still managed to get
pregnant a tenth time after the ninth
abortion).
I suppose Cari would be the most
knowledgeable in this area but anybody is
welcome. Are miscarriages and ectopic
pregnancies possible after this?
Kypros.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 04-04-07 16:13pm
From what I have read, your risk does not
significantly increase until you've had
nearly 20 abortions.
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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 04-04-07 17:18pm
Eiri
wrote:
From what I have read, your
risk does not significantly increase until
you've had nearly 20
abortions.
This is true. Most of
these numbers come from Romania where it
is typical for women to have multiple
abortions. Women in the UK and US do not
have anywhere near the number of
abortions Romanian women do so reporting
the risk of abortion in either location is
usually just a scare tactic to try and
keep women from obtaining an abortion.
Is it a risk? Yes, there is risk with any
medical procedure but abortion in
industrialized nations is the safest
medical procedure you can undergo. Is it
as big of a risk as some people try to
imagine? Absolutely .n.o.t.
From what I have read, your
risk does not significantly increase until
you've had nearly 20
abortions.
This is true. Most of
these numbers come from Romania where it
is typical for women to have multiple
abortions. Women in the UK and US do not
have anywhere near the number of
abortions Romanian women do so reporting
the risk of abortion in either location is
usually just a scare tactic to try and
keep women from obtaining an abortion.
Is it a risk? Yes, there is risk with any
medical procedure but abortion in
industrialized nations is the safest
medical procedure you can undergo. Is it
as big of a risk as some people try to
imagine? Absolutely
.n.o.t.
Not that I'm tarnishing Romania with a bad
brush, but I would imagine that medical
quality and safety there is not as good as
in the UK or the USA, so perhaps that
could be another factor. But I guess what
I mean is if a woman who had a very
rebellious past had, let's say, six
abortions in her younger years and is now
ready to have a baby, are the risks high?
I wouldn't have thought so and I hate the
way abortions are portrayed to the public
as unsafe, life-threatening operation
which can "mess up your insides". I do
believe some people would be very
surprised to know that birth is more
health-provoking.
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Dannzibelle
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Posted: 04-05-07 15:55pm
Like many i would presume that having an
abortion would arise future problems
purely because it is putting strees on the
body and making it do something that it
isn't meant to do. When a woman has a m/c
future problems can arise and that is
'natures abortion' so in honestly i have
no idea
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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 04-05-07 16:58pm
Kypros
wrote:
Not that I'm tarnishing Romania with a bad
brush, but I would imagine that medical
quality and safety there is not as good as
in the UK or the USA, so perhaps that
could be another
factor.
I didn't give a whole
lot of background, my bad, but I wasn't
intending to tarnish romania or romanian
women either. At one time they had a
stupid and brutal dictator who outlawed
abortion (which it still occurred,
surprise, surprise) and also contraception
because he wanted to build up the army and
economy and he thought the best way would
be to increase the number of people (like
I said, stupid). So, for them, abortions
were a lot easier to access than birth
control because it was absolutely being
controlled by the government and abortions
could be excused as miscarriages. This
dictator also instituted a "pregnancy
police," a force of men who investigated
claims of pregnancy to ensure that the
women did not self-induce (compulsory and
monthly pregnancy testing was required for
most public jobs). Of course, these
draconian measures never did meet his
goals for the labor force and economy and
as a result the abortion rates (and
maternal death rates) skyrocketed.
Romanian women, though, began to see an
abortion as a right of passage and also a
cleansing ritual for their body. Even
though the dictator was overthrown and
birth control is now widely available,
these women still have abortions rates
that are four to six times higher than the
US and the UK. So, denying birth control
does have an affect on the
abortion rates!
Parts of russia, too, have high abortion
rates because for the longest time that
.w.a.s the only birth
control they had access to.
Quote:
But I guess what
I mean is if a woman who had a very
rebellious past had, let's say, six
abortions in her younger years and is now
ready to have a baby, are the risks
high?
No. She should be fine
as long as she did not experience a
complication with her earlier abortion and
as long as the abortions were performed in
a safe, sterile location. If she
experienced complications earlier (very,
very rare), she needs to
tell her doctor when she's thinking of
becomming pregnant so that they can decide
on the best course of action to ensure a
healthy, safe pregnancy. Even if she did
have a complication, it does not mean that
she cannot become pregnant or carry a
pregnancy to term. Many women who have
multiple abortions are shocked even more
when they become pregnant the second time
because they, too, had been misled on
abortion's safety.
The chances really are nil until she nears
20 or more abortions.
Quote:
I wouldn't have
thought so and I hate the way abortions
are portrayed to the public as unsafe,
life-threatening operation which can "mess
up your insides". I do believe some people
would be very surprised to know that birth
is more
health-provoking.
<
span class="postbody">People are surprised
when I tell them that labor and delivery
are 11 times more dangerous than obtaining
an abortion and that the chance of
infertility following delivery is much,
much more than the chance
of infertility because of an abortion.
They think that because they believe
abortion is evil (even for those who
believe it's a necessary evil) that it
therefore must cause harm but it simply
doesn't. When it is legal, safe, and
regulated, it is the safest procedure you
can undergo. As long as you aren't
relying on outdated statistics, the
numbers tell the real story far better
than anyone ever could.
Not that I'm tarnishing Romania with a bad
brush, but I would imagine that medical
quality and safety there is not as good as
in the UK or the USA, so perhaps that
could be another
factor.
I didn't give a whole
lot of background, my bad, but I wasn't
intending to tarnish romania or romanian
women either. At one time they had a
stupid and brutal dictator who outlawed
abortion (which it still occurred,
surprise, surprise) and also contraception
because he wanted to build up the army and
economy and he thought the best way would
be to increase the number of people (like
I said, stupid). So, for them, abortions
were a lot easier to access than birth
control because it was absolutely being
controlled by the government and abortions
could be excused as miscarriages. This
dictator also instituted a "pregnancy
police," a force of men who investigated
claims of pregnancy to ensure that the
women did not self-induce (compulsory and
monthly pregnancy testing was required for
most public jobs). Of course, these
draconian measures never did meet his
goals for the labor force and economy and
as a result the abortion rates (and
maternal death rates) skyrocketed.
Romanian women, though, began to see an
abortion as a right of passage and also a
cleansing ritual for their body. Even
though the dictator was overthrown and
birth control is now widely available,
these women still have abortions rates
that are four to six times higher than the
US and the UK. So, denying birth control
does have an affect on the
abortion rates!
Parts of russia, too, have high abortion
rates because for the longest time that
.w.a.s the only birth
control they had access to.
Quote:
But I guess what
I mean is if a woman who had a very
rebellious past had, let's say, six
abortions in her younger years and is now
ready to have a baby, are the risks
high?
No. She should be fine
as long as she did not experience a
complication with her earlier abortion and
as long as the abortions were performed in
a safe, sterile location. If she
experienced complications earlier (very,
very rare), she needs to
tell her doctor when she's thinking of
becomming pregnant so that they can decide
on the best course of action to ensure a
healthy, safe pregnancy. Even if she did
have a complication, it does not mean that
she cannot become pregnant or carry a
pregnancy to term. Many women who have
multiple abortions are shocked even more
when they become pregnant the second time
because they, too, had been misled on
abortion's safety.
The chances really are nil until she nears
20 or more abortions.
Quote:
I wouldn't have
thought so and I hate the way abortions
are portrayed to the public as unsafe,
life-threatening operation which can "mess
up your insides". I do believe some people
would be very surprised to know that birth
is more
health-provoking.
<
span class="postbody">People are surprised
when I tell them that labor and delivery
are 11 times more dangerous than obtaining
an abortion and that the chance of
infertility following delivery is much,
much more than the chance
of infertility because of an abortion.
They think that because they believe
abortion is evil (even for those who
believe it's a necessary evil) that it
therefore must cause harm but it simply
doesn't. When it is legal, safe, and
regulated, it is the safest procedure you
can undergo. As long as you aren't
relying on outdated statistics, the
numbers tell the real story far better
than anyone ever
could.
Pretty much what I thought before, just
needed to have it confirmed. I really do
hate the pro-life propaganda which is so
frequently spread to women. I am pretty
familiar with sky-high abortion numbers in
the former Soviet Union and read an
account of an expatriate in Armenia who
spoke to elderly ladies who had had twenty
termintions in the past.
Welcome to dictatorship.
And if I am not mistaken, the infections
that can be caught after any end of a
pregnancy (abortion, miscarriage, birth)
are are only 1% and can be treated right
away with safety and effect.
Kypros.
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Posted: 05-09-07 08:27am
needhelphere
wrote:
YOU HAD MANY ABORTIONS? WHY
PLAY GOD THIS TIME? IF YOU DONT GET
PREGNANT, AND WANT TO BE. BLAME YOURSELF.
SORRY IF IM RUDE, BUT IS THIS A GAME,
WHICH BABY LIVES? THIS IS THE SADDEST
THING I READ.....
MANY???
Because its her choice as to when
gestation is right for her. Hers alone.
Now it is right for her, before it wasn't.
Its that simple.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 05-09-07 10:51am
needhelphere wrote:
you had many abortions? Why play god this
time? If you dont get pregnant, and want
to be. Blame yourself. Sorry if im rude,
but is this a game, which baby lives? This
is the saddest thing I read.....
I agree. Why abort so many times. Because
it is her choice? Are there not any other
choices? What about the baby's choice.
What about adoption? I don't understand
how a person can just keep killing babies?
Because it is her choice seems like a cope
out ot me and pretty sad.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 05-09-07 16:21pm
meblonde01
wrote:
needhelphere wrote:
you had many abortions? Why play god this
time? If you dont get pregnant, and want
to be. Blame yourself. Sorry if im rude,
but is this a game, which baby lives? This
is the saddest thing I read.....
I agree. Why abort so many times. Because
it is her choice? Are there not any other
choices? What about the baby's choice.
What about adoption? I don't understand
how a person can just keep killing babies?
Because it is her choice seems like a cope
out ot me and pretty sad.
Meblonde01, you are not allowed to post in
the pro-choice forum... I think this topic
got moved here for some reason so if you
didn't post when it was in this forum then
I apoligize.
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Posted: 05-22-07 22:10pm
It's interesting to me that approximately
1 in 3 women in the us who give birth will
do so via cesarean section (thanks for
medicalizing birth...stupid docotrs).
There are many states in this country that
won't even let you attempt a vaginal birth
after a c-section has been performed
because of the significant stress and
impact a c-section has on a woman's body.
Abortion, since it is done vaginally, has
a much smaller impact on a woman's body
than does a cesarean delivery. I imagine
that an abortion would not have any more
impact than a spontaneous vaginal
delivery. Having many of those (say 10 or
more) can have an impact on the body. So
it would seem to me that having an
abortion would have no greater physical
effect on a woman than would a spontaneous
delivery, except for the fact that
carrying a baby to term can have negative,
long-lasting impacts as well.
Why abort so many times.
Because it is her
choice?
Yes.
meblonde01
wrote:
Are there not any other
choices?
Yes, there are. It doesn't mean that a
woman has to change her choice, though.
meblonde01
wrote:
What about the baby's
choice.
There is no baby, but the parasitic foetus
has no rights.
meblonde01
wrote:
What about
adoption?
Yeah, what about it? It is available, and
if she does not want to opt for it, she
does not have to.
meblonde01
wrote:
I don't understand how a
person can just keep killing babies?
Because it is her choice seems like a cope
out ot me and pretty sad.
She is not killing babies, she is having
abortions. Why do you not ask someone who
has had multiple abortions and see what
they say? Ask our very own Cari.
Kypros (PS. you can't post here as your
pro-life chummies were quick to inform me
when I posted in your forum).
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Tylanas
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Posted: 05-24-07 20:07pm
I wish I could post on the pro-life forum
to tell pro-choicers not to post there,
but the one time I did it, the pro-lifers
bitched at me for whatever
reason, so oh well.
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Posted: 05-24-07 23:04pm
I did not feel like having 3 babies, so I
had 3 abortions.
Pregnancy is a healthcare decision,
pregnancy chnages a womans body and health
status, and I chose not to have my health
or body change.
I did not feel like having 3
babies, so I had 3 abortions.
Pregnancy is a healthcare decision,
pregnancy chnages a womans body and health
status, and I chose not to have my health
or body
change.
Actually, out of my pure curiosity, how
did your husband feel about your
terminations (assuming that he was the
second founder of all your pregnancies)?
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Carifairy
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Posted: 05-25-07 13:24pm
Yes, my husband was the man that I slept
with, and in turn became pregnant from.
First and foremost, I would never date a
man that had children, or one that wishes
to have children in the future, which
makes things easier in the long run.
Communication is key. I would never date a
pro life man, or a man that wants
children, so it was never of an issue.
This is why so many women and men get into
trouble, because they do not find people
with similar views in life.
My husband was 100% okay with my
abortions. It was never a question of 'if'
I would have an abortion, but 'when'.
I discuss these issues before I even had
sex with him.
Yes, my husband was the man
that I slept with, and in turn became
pregnant from.
First and foremost, I would never date a
man that had children, or one that wishes
to have children in the future, which
makes things easier in the long run.
Communication is key. I would never date a
pro life man, or a man that wants
children, so it was never of an issue.
This is why so many women and men get into
trouble, because they do not find people
with similar views in life.
My husband was 100% okay with my
abortions. It was never a question of 'if'
I would have an abortion, but 'when'.
I discuss these issues before I even had
sex with him.
These are all good; it's nice to see such
a level-headed woman willing to wait, if
you like, for that person to come along.
SOrry to hear about your father, by the
way. I read another thread you posted. I
hope you and your family will overcome
this.
