Pro Lifers to Pay For Abortions

I don't want to have to pay for lazy slobs to sit around on their arses all day drinking beer and claiming benefits but unfortunately, we can't pick and choose where our tax money goes

Eh, don't worry, the GOP isn't going to win the pres in 08. This is Guiliani's attempt at looking less like a traditional conservative so he can rope in the folks who are disturbed with the current administration and want a change. If he looks like a liberal leaning republican, he might have a chance.

So he thinks...

Edit: If finances are your concern, it's cheaper to pay for abortion than long term welfare benefits.

I mean really!

300-400$ IS AN ABORTION, 20,000+ is prenatal care and delivery...

IF cost is really your concern, then abortion is more cost effective.

I have a feeling that cost is not the concern though, but 'morality' is instead.

Sorry, MY morals sat that it is wrong to expect the government to pay for women to have babies, they should either pay for their own care, or go without. Like many millions of uninsured americans.

so we should also pay for every depressed infertile woman to have ivf treatment should we?
I mean after all depresion is a medical condition right you don't want the baby you claim your depressed they abort for you under medical grounds so therefor you want a baby and can't have one become depressed then they should get free ivf on medical grounds i'm sure you wil agree after all medical grounds are medical grounds .

IVF is like plastic surgery, it is a lifestyle medical expense, and could(should) be covered under certain circumstances I am sure...

You see, medicaid covers cosmetic surgery under certain circumstances, much like health insurance does.

Many health ins companies cover an abortion.

Diamond splinter, why should only rich women be allowed to have abortions?

If you don't allow equal opportunity for all to receive medical care, you create fissures between socioeconomic classes.

Do you think that you should be able to decide if poor women (on medicaid) get certain medical procedures? Do you want to review each case and determine if a poor woman needs a mole removed, a heart transplant, or psychiatric care?

Many prolife people accuse prochoice people of discrimination, yet here is an example of class discrimination by a prolife person.

Think about the implications of what you say.



I think what jenn is getting at (not that she needs me to explain, sorry if I step on toes) is that diamond splinter doesn't think society needs to pay for abortions period; she did not delineate between reasons for abortions. So it is apparent that she thinks poor women with etopic pregnanies or other life threatening conditions who cannot afford abortions should die rather than have the public pay for her abortion.

Many people are under the false belief that those who seek abortion are "destitute, uneducated women who are not motherly, are unwed, and have no recourse". many assume that women who become unintentionally pregnant did so due to a lack of self control or ethics. I think that this is the reason that people do not want abortion to be publicly funded. As stated above by others, Medicaid has no problem covering prenatal, maternity and postnatal care for uninsured mothers. Furthermore, insurance and medicaid covers gastric bypass surgery for obesity caused by the inability to curb one's appetite over time. It covers cardiac surgery for those who are not able to make the dietary choices necessary to avoid high cholesterol problems leading to clogged arteries. There are many other examples.

The reason this is a hot button is because it involves sex, which for whatever reason people like to try to dictate moral solutions about. All I can tell you is that I paid OUT OF POCKET to have a tubal ligation after the birth of my second child because my insurance would not pay for it. The reason I did this is because my post partum was so horrible, I knew i had no business having another child.

If I should happen to be the .01 percent or whatever who get pregnant despite sterilization surgery, i can pretty much guarantee that I would seriously consider an abortion for the sake of my own sanity. If abortion were made illegal, or if i had to prove medical grounds for insurance to pay, I would then have to fight for my right and prove in a court of law that it was for "health reasons" even though my physical health would not be directly in jeopardy. Do you see how dictating the conditions under which a woman should be granted "access" to a life-saving procedure becomes dangerous? Think of Andrea Yates.