Good News: Abortion Is No Longer Needed Posted: 04-06-07 17:33pm
Good News: Abortion is no longer needed -
Why following Jesus Christ is the only way
to end abortion
The ressurection of Jesus, the
Ressurection of the dead....God breathes
new life into man.... he is raised up,
Just as Jesus is raised up. Our old life
we shared with the Animals our new life we
share with God.
Humanity takes on the divinity of Christ
and the diginity and worth of Almighty
God...so all human beings become one with
Christ and share in the sacredness of
almighty God.
We are given a new dignity/our dignity is
RENEWED a divine dignity, our dignity is
ressurected and brought to a new life in
Christ and so what we do to the least of
our brothers (humanity) we do unto Christ
himself.
In Christ we share in such dignity and in
sin we scandalize Christ and degrade
ourselves, we abandon our divine dignity
and are reduced to animalistic human
nature which leads to the degrading of
fellow human beings and a reduction of
humanity once again to animal like status.
When we embrace Christ our human nature is
humbled before God and we are raised up to
a divine nature with Christ in a renewed
life.
A Christian does not discriminate or
persecute or reduce people to a less
status of divine dignity, we recognise
their worth as divine but do they
themselves recognise that in themselves?
For example a Christian does not reduce a
man who is attracted to other men to a
less status of divine dignity and if he
embraces Christ he humbles his human
nature before God embraces his divine
dignity.
But the man who rejects Christ and
embraces his human nature. In his sin he
abandons the dignity God has bestowed upon
him and is given over to animalistic
behaviour and becomes an enemy of God and
of divine human dignity.
A woman Caught in lust for another man
other than her husband who embraces Christ
humbles her human nature before God and
embraces her divine dignity.
However the woman who rejects god fails to
recognise her divine dignity and becomes
enflamed with passion and is given over to
animalistic behaviour which leads her to
her becoming an enemy of God and divine
human dignity.
Just as the sexual act carried out in
accord with Christ and with divine human
dignity often becomes manifest in the
flesh with the birth of a loved Child. So
too the sexual act carried out in
rejection of Christ and rejection of
divine dignity often becomes manifest in
the flesh with the abortion of a unwanted
Child.
All these human beings the Man with an
attraction to another man, the woman with
lust for another man other than her
husband and the unborn Child all share in
the dignity of Christ, just as all of us
share in this divine dignity too but not
everyone recognises their own dignity or
the dignity of others.
christians recognise our own dignity in
Christ and we recognise in others their
divine dignity in Christ also and moved by
the love of God we want to help others
discover their divine dignity and are
compelled to defend those who for whatever
reason are not being granted their divine
dignity by others.
Just as God breathed life into Adam, the
father of humanity
We were raised to a new life in Christ, he
breathed a new life into us a renewed
spiritual life we lost at the fall of
humanity "he breathed on them and said
recieve the holy spirit" he came so we
could have life and life abundently, a
divine life with him, a God who leads
humanity to a culture of life
those who reject Christ do not embarce the
new life and seek to destroy the life that
is in others just as they saught to
destroy the lifegiver on that fateful Good
Friday, today we still face that same
primary evil that crucified our lord, the
same primary evil that leads humanity to a
culture of death.
Points of reflection:
Think of a world where all mankind share
in the dignity of god and recognise that
Then Think about the consiquences of
mankind embracing sin... of mankind
without divine dignity
For the wages of sin is death, but the
gift of God is eternal life in Christ
Jesus our Lord.
Satan was a lier and a murderer from the
begining
each person is tempted when he is drawn
away and enticed by his own evil desires.
Then after desire has conceived, it gives
birth to sin, and when sin is fully grown,
it gives birth to death.
GOD SENT HIS ONLY SON NOT TO CONDEMN THE
WORLD BUT TO SAVE THE WORLD THROUGH HIM
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Carifairy
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Posted: 04-06-07 23:00pm
SO god and jesus are going to give us
abortions??
YIPPPPEEEEE free abortions!
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Sunflower_pie81
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Posted: 04-07-07 07:30am
Carifairy
wrote:
SO god and jesus are going
to give us abortions??
YIPPPPEEEEE free
abortions!
I am sorry but grow up!!
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Birch
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Posted: 04-07-07 09:19am
Funny, I never got a deposit in my bank
account from jesus when I was pregnant.
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Posted: 04-07-07 11:58am
Hello..Sarcasm...
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Posted: 04-07-07 23:18pm
Izzy, is that you?
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Posted: 04-08-07 06:13am
Human beings in light of Christian
understanding are not insignificant
creatures. The christian understanding of
Mankind is that because of Jesus Christ we
share in the divinity of Christ and each
one of us are deserving to the respect(not
worship) that throughout history has been
atributed to God..."We were raised to a
new life." obviously such revereance for
humanity leads to a "culture of life"
Of course this is only one side of
Christianity that stems from faith in the
other side the spiritual the heavenly. we
are raised also to a new spiritual eternal
life and we have actually recieved the
Holy Spirit.
Just as Jesus is both God & Man, So
Christianity is both heavenly &
Earthly
Just as Jesus was God & man from his
conception in Our ladies womb - This
duality has also been a facit of
Christianity since our very conception.
In fact many of the early converts to
Christianity were rebuked by the apostles
for ignoring/denying the spiritual aspects
of Christianity.
1 Cor 15
"How can some of you say that there is no
resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is
no resurrection of the dead, then not even
Christ has been raised...... If only for
this life we have hope in Christ, we are
to be pitied more than all men. "
Today the Church is urging the layity on
in regards to the earthly side of
Christianity because Christianity over
recent years has in part somewhat
abandoned that facit of Christianity and
our hope in Christ is not just in the next
life but is also in this life.
We have come full circle from the early
christians, the circa 1500AD Idea of
"faith alone" had no other option but to
pull away from the earhtly aspect of
Christianity... just as God became Man and
Christianity is both Heavenly and Earthly
so is salvation both Faith in the next
life and Good works in this life... Amen!
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Carifairy
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Posted: 04-08-07 11:56am
CHRISTIAN understanding, you forget that
not everyone is a christian.
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Posted: 04-08-07 18:28pm
thank you guest for your posts. I was
watching the Passion movie the other day
when jesus was all this beaten up,
carrying the cross and mary goes to him
horrified at was happening to him and he
says to her " don't worry mom, I make
everything new". And that's just how it is
when one decides to follow god. It's like
a new life.
I agree we shall not loose hope for the
earthly life.
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Guest
Posted: 04-08-07 21:21pm
"Christian understanding, you forget that
not everyone is a christian. "
if you cant comprehend how iy changes the
entire world....never mind!
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Posted: 04-08-07 21:23pm
"I agree we shall not loose hope for the
earthly life. "
hope is as paul says eternal we shall not
and can not loose hope it is a gift from
god.
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Posted: 04-09-07 14:41pm
I am .highly .offended by this post.
I am not .christian.
I do not follow .christian .doctrine and I
deserve to not have it shoved down my
throat.
You are extrmely ignorant in that you
assume the only women who get abortions
are women who are not christian or who
don't "feel the love of jesus" in their
hearts. In fact, since christianity is the
dominant religion in america, most of
them women who abort are aready
christian. Clearly, the religion
has no bearing on their desicion to
abort.
Next: you are trying to use religion to
control these women. You
are trying to take away their rights. You
are trying to guilt them into being
breeding machines. You are trying to make
them forget the last century of civil
rights that women have attained.
Please take your religion out of this
scientific debate. Formulate your own
thoughts and your own feelings; don't
depend on a book to tell you how to feel
and act. Take responsibility for your
actions; don't blame bad deeds on a
"devil", but realise that it was your own
choices that caused it. When you can do
this, then suddenly all good human deeds
mean even more!
We will respect people who have their own
ideas; not those who are brainwashed into
thinking that only one idea is the right
solution.
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Guest
Posted: 04-09-07 18:38pm
"I am .highly .offended by this post."
That says more about you than the post!
"I am not .christian.
I do not follow .christian .doctrine and I
deserve to not have it shoved down my
throat. "
you dont have to read it, you dont have to
accept it.... so exactly how am I shoving
it down your throat?
"You are extrmely ignorant in that you
assume the only women who get abortions
are women who are not christian or who
don't "feel the love of jesus" in their
hearts. "
I didnt say that, a christian is also
tempted to sin.
"Clearly, the religion has no bearing on
their desicion to abort. "
Then clearly they have choosen to follow
their animalistic human nature over the
divine nature gifted to them by God.
"Next: you are trying to use religion to
control these women. You are trying to
take away their rights."
No I am not.
"You are trying to guilt them into being
breeding machines."
No I am merely pointing out that they have
a divine dignity.
"You are trying to make them forget the
last century of civil rights that women
have attained"
No I am telling them they and all human
beings are worth more than Animals.
"Please take your religion out of this
scientific debate. "
where does it say this is a "sicentific
debate"
"Formulate your own thoughts and your own
feelings; don't depend on a book to tell
you how to feel and act. "
Its not the book you should listen to but
your heart... Do you have the dignity of a
mere animal or a divine dignity from God?
"Take responsibility for your actions;
don't blame bad deeds on a "devil", but
realise that it was your own choices that
caused it. When you can do this, then
suddenly all good human deeds mean even
more! "
agreed!
"We will respect people who have their own
ideas; not those who are brainwashed into
thinking that only one idea is the right
solution."
Your Idea is you and humanity are worth
nothing more than an animal and unborn
children less than an animal so you act
like an animal. i will not respect people
for this but I will respect them for their
divine dignity that they have even if they
themselves dont want it.
"CHRISTIAN understanding, you forget that
not everyone is a christian."
But you also forget that it is not until
you know the christian understanding that
you can reject it or accept it.
you dont have to embrace the belief that
every human being should have the same
respect that is atributed to God, you are
free to believe that we are mere animals
and not worthy of such exahltation. But
others are free to believe that each human
being including ourselves are worthy of
the highest respect and honor and not to
be treated as peices of meat to be
exploited and enslaved.
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Guest
Posted: 04-09-07 19:11pm
It would be good if this were a place for
only scientific debate, since then all the
philosophy of what constitutes personhood
would be abandond and we would be only
left with the true sicentific reallity
that...
That , Z,E,F are infact human beings....
but it is not a sicentific only debate is
it errie?
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meggan
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Posted: 04-09-07 19:28pm
hey "guest" y dont you have a name it is
free to come on here! anyhow it can be
very offensive to put religous stuff on
here! i so get what your saying but it
cant be bothersome and it makes people
feel very disrespected.. ironically im
catholic`and understand you but others may
not.. try taking the thoughts of jesus and
interpreting it different.. i dont want to
upset you because you do speak very
strongly which is so great!! i just dont
want someone to offend you in return!
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Neat! Posted: 04-09-07 19:39pm
Interesting post! Apparently some people
are offended by the christian preaching,
and that is their choice, if they dont
like the fact there is christianity then
maybe they should come up with some facts
to disprove it instead of whinning about
being preached to. But they would be
wasting their time because there is
nothing in science that disproves the
existence of a god. Some would argue
science does, but where is the solid
facts, you cannot look at how things work
to prove it because god said he is the one
that created it in the first place, so its
impossible using matierial evidence to
disprove god. But go ahead and try if you
want a scientific debate with science vs
christianity. Use facts to support your
answer not an opinion.
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Re: Neat! Posted: 04-09-07 20:02pm
butterfly_blue
wrote:
Interesting post! Apparently
some people are offended by the christian
preaching, and that is their choice, if
they dont like the fact there is
christianity then maybe they should come
up with some facts to disprove it instead
of whinning about being preached to. But
they would be wasting their time because
there is nothing in science that disproves
the existence of a god. Some would argue
science does, but where is the solid
facts, you cannot look at how things work
to prove it because god said he is the one
that created it in the first place, so its
impossible using matierial evidence to
disprove god. But go ahead and try if you
want a scientific debate with science vs
christianity. Use facts to support your
answer not an
opinion.
I've been asking for a religion forum, but
no dough so far.
The burden of proof in religious debates
lies on the person claiming it to be true.
Can you do that?
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Posted: 04-09-07 22:32pm
Unfortunately when you base your
beliefs(or lack thereof) soley on science
then you are in fact limiting yourself
only to what you can prove/disprove. If
you believe in science then you should
check your facts;
Fact: No form of phorensic study and/or
evaluation has been able to contradict a
single event that took place in the
bible...not one...100%, 10/10, batting
1000...well you get the idea
Fact: The leading oposition to creationism
is evolution...whos founding author
denounced all of his theories and
teachings.
Fact: All respectable historians will use
the bible as a roadmap to ancient
timelines, none of them debate any of the
stories that took place from Exodus clear
to Jude. 64/66 or 97% is historicaly
acurate according to modern historians.
Faith: Jesus Christ was born of the virgin
Mary by imaculate conception, and is Gods
only begotten(sp?) son, died on the cross
to pay the blood sacrifice for the
attonement of mans sin, in whom we have
our eternal salvation and the promise of
eternal life.
You can't argue faith...it's imposible,
but if you only argue the facts any
resonably unbiased and educated individual
will come to the conclusion that the
universe has come to be, is, and will be
in existance because it was created.
This response is not one made in anger,
nor is it one of pride. The hope is that
by examining the facts the reader would
search his/her heart w/o the blind fold of
pride to seek the truth that will set you
free.
....I would also like to appalogizse for
the many gramatical and spelling errors
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Posted: 04-10-07 01:35am
guest who is too scared
to make an account
wrote:
But it is not a sicentific
only debate is it
errie?
I don't think I'm going to bother even
replying to you until you can spell my
name right.
Secondly...
No, you can't argue against faith because
it's like argung with a child who just
says "Nuh uh!!" to everything you say.
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Posted: 04-10-07 06:50am
Anonymous
wrote:
Unfortunately when you base
your beliefs(or lack thereof) soley on
science then you are in fact limiting
yourself only to what you can
prove/disprove. If you believe in science
then you should check your facts;
Fact: No form of phorensic study and/or
evaluation has been able to contradict a
single event that took place in the
bible...not one...100%, 10/10, batting
1000...well you get the idea
Fact: The leading oposition to creationism
is evolution...whos founding author
denounced all of his theories and
teachings.
Fact: All respectable historians will use
the bible as a roadmap to ancient
timelines, none of them debate any of the
stories that took place from Exodus clear
to Jude. 64/66 or 97% is historicaly
acurate according to modern historians.
Faith: Jesus Christ was born of the virgin
Mary by imaculate conception, and is Gods
only begotten(sp?) son, died on the cross
to pay the blood sacrifice for the
attonement of mans sin, in whom we have
our eternal salvation and the promise of
eternal life.
You can't argue faith...it's imposible,
but if you only argue the facts any
resonably unbiased and educated individual
will come to the conclusion that the
universe has come to be, is, and will be
in existance because it was created.
This response is not one made in anger,
nor is it one of pride. The hope is that
by examining the facts the reader would
search his/her heart w/o the blind fold of
pride to seek the truth that will set you
free.
....I would also like to appalogizse for
the many gramatical and spelling errors
You cannot use the bible to prove the
bible is true. It's called "circular
reasoning".
And now, for my next trick...I will use
the Lord of the Rings novels to prove
elves and orcs exist.
