Good News: Abortion Is No Longer Needed

Hm, you're right on the count that a parenting debate forum is no more about heath than a religious debate or a homosexuality debate... Hm!!!

Actually, I haven't seen a good excommunication lately. Can we, huh? Can we?

This thread is the bumping bane of my existence.

Actually, Lonestar, we did have a good excommunication recently lol.....

Crap! Another thing I missed. Sorry the thread is such a trial, Georgia. These are dark times, especially in the abortion wars.

I'll recover

Not all pro-life people are religious. However I commend your own comfort in your convictions.

Christianity is NOT the ONLY path to dignity (Oh, wait, I thought this was about adoption...hmmmm). I DO agree that if we valued ourselves more we would have far fewer teen pregnancies, etc. This is a failure of parents to instill mostly GIRLS with self-esteem (dignigty.) It's a cutlural trend, but I don't think going back to the social conventions that existed 2,000 yrs ago is the answer...LMAO

And lonestarguy, we actually had 6 nuns get excommunicated here a while back. Yeah, they refused to give up some unsanctioned belief or other...I forget. But it DID make the news (small state and all...lol)

So the problem is really us evil parents not making our girls all be Xena warrior princess taht is the problem.. *Rolls eyes* what ever...

I think it's a failure of society in general. So much emphasis is put on being thin and pretty and having a boyfriend (and therefore a sex life) that it's easy for young girls to lose their sense of self in all the pressure to conform.

Zena??? I dont' really understand the reference, jincks, but I certainly wouldn't want my kid to be what MY impression of Zena is...You amy not be an "eveil" parent...but I don't see how you coudl deny that girls worship the worng things...like cheeleading instead of getting A's...stuff like that. (Not to imply in ANY way tha twe are LL alike, but some on...I would bet that most people never use cheerleading skills after higschool, but good grades can help get you lots of good places.)

And yes, Roddge, I do mean it's a very cultural thing..I think perhaps some posts disappeared? The idea that paris Hilton shuold be in the news, when all she's done so far is drive drunk and be on tv for going to parties?? Oh yeah, and the "reality" shows...

I don't know about your girls schools Daff but in my daughters school higher grades are REQUIRED to be a cheerleader or on the football team. Now think for a microsecond about what skills cheerleading might teach. Cooperation, teamwork, timing, concentraition.
Why do you pretend cheerleaders are brainless bimbos?

As for Xena (note the X not at Z) I loved that show; she was tough, smart and sexy. She battled continually with right and wrong. It dealth well with the thought that people can change if they want to. What wasn't to like?

So, Jincks, I'm guessing your daughter is a cheerleader?

lol!

Yeah, and I'm sorry, a character on a tv show (which I wasn't into, hence the misspelling, sorry)...like I said (though perhaps did not type out very well!!), we are not ALL alike (meaning, not everyone is or even NEEDS to be an academic scholar...we need car mechanics and bus drivers, too.) But don't kid yourself, kids in the popular crowd (generally to include this illustrious group of football-playing, cheerleading kids with terrific grades--come on now, you know it's true) tend to be the ones who face some of the the MOSt instense pressure to "be liek the others" and therefore experiement with sex/drugs. They REALLY need parents who can make them strong emotionally and psychologically...and thoughYOU may do it for your kid, you know they aren't ALL doign it.

In fact, I mis-read the initial post!! I thought you said "MAKING all our daughters LIKE Xena," as if that were BAD, that type of thing. Instead you meant precisely the opposite.

daffodil, I used to think the same way about teen pregnancy and self-esteem as you do. However, I have learned recently that there is more to this problem. Many of the teen pregnancies are occurring ON PURPOSE! Go to the ehealth teen pregnancy board and read some of my posts (I provide articles/studies/links showing this trend.).

Girls choose to become teen moms because they feel like they have no other life options, among other reasons, like escaping a bad home life, etc. YIKES!

It is sad, and what's even more sad is many times their parents did the exact same thing, so they serve as poor role models.

check out the teen pregnancy board on ehealth to see first hand.