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"You cannot use the bible to prove the bible is true. It's called "circular reasoning". "

Please read the post, make sure you understand it, then formulate a response....don't skip the middle man

Sorry about the confusion.

"Unfortunately when you base your beliefs(or lack thereof) soley on science then you are in fact limiting yourself only to what you can prove/disprove. If you believe in science then you should check your facts;

Fact: No form of phorensic study and/or evaluation has been able to contradict a single event that took place in the bible...not one...100%, 10/10, batting 1000...well you get the idea

Fact: The leading oposition to creationism is evolution...whos founding author denounced all of his theories and teachings.

Fact: All respectable historians will use the bible as a roadmap to ancient timelines, none of them debate any of the stories that took place from Exodus clear to Jude. 64/66 or 97% is historicaly acurate according to modern historians.

Faith: Jesus Christ was born of the virgin Mary by imaculate conception, and is Gods only begotten(sp?) son, died on the cross to pay the blood sacrifice for the attonement of mans sin, in whom we have our eternal salvation and the promise of eternal life.


You can't argue faith...it's imposible, but if you only argue the facts any resonably unbiased and educated individual will come to the conclusion that the universe has come to be, is, and will be in existance because it was created.

This response is not one made in anger, nor is it one of pride. The hope is that by examining the facts the reader would search his/her heart w/o the blind fold of pride to seek the truth that will set you free.


....I would also like to appalogizse for the many gramatical and spelling errors "


That was me, and the last post was in response to Birch.

I assume that the person who has lately been posting under "Guest" is now "Butterfly_blue". Is that correct? If so, thank you very much for joining up because, while it is true that one's name is not important as such, it really does help avoid confusion in the debating process because if everyone posed as a "guest" then no-one would know who was talking to whom!

Sorry, but Jesus's birthday is NOT December 25th. Even the most bible-thumping religious people I know agree on that. And yet, we have this poisonous pedegogy of false Christians who believe that they should Judge Not, yet they do at every turn. We live in a society which separates church and state, but not really. I. Am.Not. Christian> but I am constantly being subjugated to Christian values and morals. Even in our very laws (ex: polygamy is against the law. Why? Religion. Homosexual marriage. Against the law. Why? Religion.) Abortion is a very hot topic (oh yeah back to that topic) and using religion as a reason for it being illegal or frowned upon is fine--IF you subscribe to that religion. However, for me the argument holds no clout, as I am NOT CHRISTIAN!!! Should I damn you for stepping on ants because they are reincarnations of my ancestors?

I definetly subscribe to the christian religion.

dear lord you are my king and to you I give my soul. I believe in .Y.O.U

"Sorry, but Jesus's birthday is NOT December 25th. Even the most bible-thumping religious people I know agree on that."

where does the bible state it is

here is a website you can search the bible for "december 25th"

www.crosswalk.com

"we have this poisonous pedegogy of false Christians who believe that they should Judge Not, yet they do at every turn. "

how does the failure of humanity disprove a book?

"We live in a society which separates church and state"

but thankfully not state from church, in other words the church is seperated from the state in that the state can not exersize control over the church, however it does not say that the state is seperated from the church!

"However, for me the argument holds no clout, as I am NOT CHRISTIAN!!! "

why not? because you somehow have deluded yourself into believing you have proved the bible wrong?

My birth day is december 24.

Jesus's birth day was set as december 25th because then it coinceded with the irish pagan winter solstice holiday. The early christians were all about adopting and cajoling the pagans into joining them, so they said "heeey look! Our holiday is at the same time as yours! How convenient!"

Same thing happened with a couple of other christian holidays and traditions; they have pagan sources.

I don't deny that Jesus lived. he lived well. He had good ideas about peace, love, harmony, caring for thy neighbor, etc. I do have a problem with the whole son of god thing. We are all sons or daughters of god if you really think about it. But look at what happened to these great ideals expoused by this enlightened individual...I give you The Holy Wars, The Spanish Inquisition, and The War In Iraq.

"Do not think I have come to bring peace, I have not come to bring peace but a sword" - Jesus Christ

"taking a whip to them he cried "this is a house of prayer but you have made it into a den of theives" - Jesus Christ

JC is not about peace as the world understands it.

"well, I am about peace love and understanding. If jesus isn't about that, then I don't need any of it. Thank you for turning me into less of a "christian" than I was. "

I didnt turn you into less of a Christian, even if the whole concept of what you previously believed Christianity somehow moved you towards chriatianity...you would not have been a christian in the truest sense of the word. It is better that you do not become a christian at all than become a "false prophet"

"So...he's about violence and fear mongering?"

no you dont understand... the message that JC taught was never going to bring peace to the world because of humanities failure not Gods.... but none the less it was the truth that needed to be proclaimed in order that those who understood would believe... the church the "eklasia" the "called out ones"

Christians are not at peace with the world, your a fool to think so, the world is our enemy (love your enemy) we live in the world but we are not part of the world, the world is not part of us we have been in conflict for over 2000 years. Christianity is a rejection of what the world offers...fast cars, fast women, fast money ect and upholds and promotes the eternal things, things that perhaps you would consider part of the world but in actuality are not, the family, love, community, charity, hope etc

Okay okay, we know already that christians are a horribly violent sect; a religious cult!!

Most of us know that.

What none of you know is this:

My bf asked me to marry him :3 !!! I'm so happy ^^ I said yes, of course! He kneeled and everything, god... it was perfect!