Fruit Related Interogation For Stan Or Everyone ! Posted: 04-09-07 11:39am
On your diet you avocate eating really
small portionns of low sugar fruit with a
respectable amount of protein. I was
wondering why would you suggest fruit more
then complex carbs like integral bread ,
100% whole weath cereal. In my opinion
those release sugar much slower then any
fruit , and since its not recommended for
an hypoglycemique to eat more then 1-2
portions of fruit every day and no fruit
at all after 4 o clock ( based on the
winning the war agains hypoglycemia book )
its a french book.
I am wondering were you get you short term
energie and carbs if its not from fruits.
I am assuming that a portion of 100 %
integral bread release sugar slower then
any fruits , why would they be bad ?
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Posted: 04-10-07 09:06am
As I'm sure you've noticed, these things
aren't working for you. This is because
you have saw-tooth curve reactive
hypogylcemia. What I suggest is the only
way to get around it if you have this
problem. If your sugar drops every two
hours, you may be able to have an adequate
amount of complex carbohydrates, but it
doesn't sound like it's doing anything for
you. Mine drops every hour, and I learned
through trial and error the only way
around it is to get all of your
carbohydrates through vegetables, very
small amounts of fruit eaten throughout
the day, and increased protein intake. My
fruit portions are very small, only half
an apple slice with each meal (if you're
eating 8 meals a day). The majority of
the energy comes from protein. You'll
find yourself not taking any naps after
awhile with a ton more energy than before.
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ET_mtl
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Posted: 04-10-07 10:19am
Hey Stan ,
Thxs for the answer. I will try cutting of
the milk.
Heres a typical day for me
Waking up between 7-8 i need to work
harder on that leaning towards the 8- 8h30
lately
Then i take a liver desintoxication with
cleansmart (1 month programm, has caused
no problem)
Breakfast: Usually something like this 2
small 100 % grain toast , 1with peanut
butter (organic additive free) the other
one with low fat cheese (good quantitie of
cheese) + 1 soymilk glass for extra
protain + (omega 3 pill, and 2 pill that
help the liver function and digestion)
then i eat a snack : 1 bread + nuts or any
protein
The rest of the day is the same i always
try to eat 3-4 proteins portions for a
ratio of 1-2 glucide ( but from what you
say , i might be eating to much glucide)
- i also eat lots of green vegetable
Basically anything i do , nothing will
stop the 4-5 oclock drop of energie and
need for a nap , i cant even watch a movie
sometimes . Then i wake up feeling like
hells (feel like i just sleep for 20 years
and need another 20) , eat dinner and i
slowly get better then i can exercice.
One problem i have is with feeling like
crap in the morning , is there anything i
can do with that , do you eat before going
to bed, i usually take a snack high in
protein around 9-10 and then i go to bed
for eleven (sometimes a little bit later
but usually im sleeping by 11h30 12h. I
sleep good but when i wake up i feel
everytime like ive been hit by a 18
whellers , then i wake eat and slowly get
better.
I have no problem with the alcool , in 1
year i can count on my figertips number of
time i took a drink and now i stopped
completely for over a month now. The
problem i have is I dont feel free of
doing wathever i want , Sometimes i wish i
could just travel (with a pack sac without
worrying abouth food ) go out with friends
, have a huge windsurfing session in the
afternoon , but i know its not possible.
Generally how do you feel , you have
anergy troughout the day , can you do lots
of sports in the afternoon? how is the
everyday life ?
I would like to know from other people
that are controlled how they feel.
I sometiem wonder if eating every 2 hour
isnt making my body lazy or something.
Anyways , happy i found this forum , looks
liek a good place to share infos.
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Posted: 04-10-07 17:37pm
Before you're sure the liver thing is
okay, post a link here so I can see the
ingredients. There are some sneaky herbs
and such that have a significant blood
sugar lowering effect that may be
contributing to your problem. Since it's
a liver pill, I'm going to guess something
like licorice root might be in there,
which lowers blood sugar. Give me a way
to see the ingredients or list them. Add
two or one fried in organic cultured
butter free range, organic egg(s) to your
breakfast. Every diet I've read, even
those that advocate higher carbohydrates,
always say to never eat more than two
pieces of whole grain bread per day, one
to start, so that might be doing something
right there. Soy milk is worthless.
First off, please check the label. There
was someone on here awhile ago that didn't
understand why she was getting sick until
she read her soymilk label and saw that it
had something like molasses or perhaps it
was called evaporated cane juice in it.
Just sugar. Organic, natural companies
will make foods taste better just like
processed foods, by adding sugar,
regardless of how natural it may be it's
usually in there. If it doesn't say
unsweetened on the box, you just
discovered you've been drinking plain
sugar every morning. In addition, soymilk
is bad for another reason. Every now and
then it may be okay, but not that much.
Why? Well, soy has a protein content that
is significant and Asians eat it all the
time. However, they eat it as a
condiment, not as a staple food source.
This means just a little bit of tofu or
something in a larger meal with meat and
rice. It's just like adding a pickle.
People, especially vegetarians, figured
that soy would be an excellent substitute
for meat, which it isn't. Why? Well,
aside from the protein content, it
contains enormous levels of something
called phytic acid, which our bodies are
not designed to break down. Thus, high
levels of soy require your body to get rid
of it somehow because we don't have the
enzymes required to digest it. What does
it do? It strips nutrients and vitamins
in your body and in the food you eat to
essentially create a casing for the phytic
acid so you can get rid of it. Don't
drink it. Nuts are generally great, but I
recommend eating only walnuts at first and
steering clear of peanuts for awhile
because they're actually legumes, not
nuts, and these can effect blood sugar
much differently. What is glucide? What
kind of green vegetables are you eating?
The sleep thing is very tough to get past.
Here's why. It's usually very easy to
get sleeping down because by the end of
the day your sugar is stable anyway, so
it's easy to sleep. However, since you're
not eating while you sleep, when you first
eat in the morning your body drops the
sugar down but there isn't anything there
to keep it level so hypoglycemics
typically feel like crap until around 12
noon. Adding a whole avocado to your
breakfast should clear that up pretty
quick, I hope. The travel thing is tough,
I know what you mean. I used to get
pretty depressed because to travel you
need to bring this huge cooler with you or
find out if certain stores that carry what
you need are in the area you're going to.
This, unfortunately, cannot be avoided
until you can eat different foods and
spread your time out. After about one
year of finally eating right, I think I am
ready to start eating less frequently.
So, considering that, you have to work for
it, but you really shouldn't feel too bad
because it shouldn't take longer than a
year and a half to be able to eat less and
still feel good, perhaps occasionally
having a little something bad. I feel
very good now. I found that taking a
vitamin c tablet (1g per day spread out)
increased my rate of recovery, so you may
want to try that. I rarely get tired, and
if I do it seems to just be normal like
anyone else would. I work out more now
than I did even before I was sick and have
even, finally, started to add back in my
morning exercise routine after almost two
years of not doing it. Every day life is
great. It's hard to believe some of the
problems I had all because of sugar,
really amazing if I think about it.
Sometimes I would worry about the eating
every two hours thing, but always
remember, you won't be doing this forever
so it won't harm you. The only potential
side effect I've noticed is that you'll
obviously go the bathroom more and you
may, though rarely, be a little more prone
to getting hemroids, but I haven't heard
anyone say anything about this so it's
just a theory since you're going more than
usual. Eating every two hours, in fact,
actually increases your body metabolism,
making your body anything but lazy.
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ET_mtl
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Posted: 04-13-07 10:32am
Hey stan ,
I dont know if I have saw tooth
hypoglycémia , heres my test resutl
7:00: Blood sugar with 0 intake = 4.1mg/l
Drink of a higly concentrate sugar drink
7:30 = 6.9 mg/l
8:00 = 5.1 mg/l
8:30 = 3.7 mg/l ( low value )
9:00 = 3.3 mg/l (low value)
9:30 = 3.7 mg/l (like if my sugar level
wanted to get back up but couldnt)
10:00= 2.1 mg/l (boom, really low)
11:00= 4.2 mg/l
12:00 = 4.2mg/l
Anyways hope this is helpfull
As for the supplement i am taking , here
they are
I am almost done the liver detox , its a 1
month programm and then i see the doctor
again (who is a classic doctor as well as
a naturopathe, homeopathe)
- hes really open is there any supplement
i should talk to him abouth.
Note that ive only start the products 2
months ago and he follow me every month to
adjust and try new things, they havent
worsen anything but they didnt help as
much as I would have hope (tought maybe
more then I think , hard to really know
due to the constant changes troughout the
day)
Anyways i cut half the carb i was eating ,
and yes the bread is 100 % as well as
every other bread like product i may use.
I started this morning with a half avocado
, 2 organic egg(with little bit of chees)
+ half bread piece breakfast.
Thanks for the info you seem really
dedicated , if i can clear my symptoms me
to might help.
Have good day thx for infos
Etienne
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Posted: 04-14-07 08:09am
That looks more like a dull curve, a curve
that drops low quickly and doesn't really
return to normal for a few hours or so.
About the liver detox:
2. Dandelion root is also believed to
increase insulin levels, though only one
experiment on animals thus far has proved
this.
3. Artichoke leaf causes the liver to
convert its stores of glycogen into sugar,
so there's a reason why your liver is not
storing everything it gets.
4. Turmeric, I know from experience, is a
powerful hypoglycemic herb that will lower
your sugar quick. Here is a short exert
from a site about it: Because turmeric
may decrease blood sugar levels, taking it
with other blood sugar-lowering herbal
products may result in hypoglycemia -
blood sugar that is too low.
The other supplements are fine, but these
things can make you sick and may be
contributing to your problem. You already
have an unstable sugar level that takes
awhile to come back up, and taking
something like this will keep it down
pretty good. How many grams of
carbohydrates are you eating per day?
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ET_mtl
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Posted: 04-14-07 11:05am
Ok so i guess the liver detox wasnt so
good after all. I have couple of days
left. I will se the doctor in 2 weeks or
so , is there anthing , supplement i
should ask for.
Yep the main problem with me is that i
always feel tired and in between most of
the day , it only get better after supper
and late at night.
I dont know abouth the nb. of mg of carbs
but i would say i eat maybe 1 and a half
piece of bread + some vegetables (mostly
green) 1 tomatoes and some carrots
sometime too. I use to eat much more then
that , but since a couple of days my
symptoms have worsen and i wake up really
really bad in the morning , this is
getting frustrating because ive been
really carefull during the week anyways to
stop that ?
I have a business to run this summer and
everytime i go to bed at night i feel
encourage , full of new ideas , and when i
wake up in the morning i am a mess,
sometimes i just feel like giving up and
becoming a monk for a while !
Where a re you from , and whats your job
??
Anyways thanks for the answers
good luck
Etienne
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Posted: 04-14-07 17:09pm
I'm from Pennsylvania, currently living in
Virginia to get my PhD. I would bet those
ingredients in the cleanse are causing you
the most problem. May take a week or so
for it to flush out of your system,
however. Your main problem is that you
need to keep the sugar stable with the
proper diet. I need to absolutely know
how much you're eating, so you're going to
have to measure it out. What kind of
green vegetables are you eating and how
much? You need to know this. Carrots and
all root vegetables can cause problems for
some people, so that may be an issue for
you as well. The only way to stop your
morning problem is to find the diet that
is going to work. Going to be hard to
tell that until you finish those dumb
pills. If they worked for the liver,
fine, but your doctor should have had you
research the ingredients first.
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ET_mtl
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Posted: 04-14-07 17:51pm
Hey,
Thx for the answer
I will stop those pills now , i had 3 days
left anyways.
I can give you an example of what a normal
day may look like
8:00 breakfast: 2 organic eggs + s little
bit of chees + half avocado (new adition)
and half 100 % grain toast
10: 00 - 10:30 : 30g of oatmeal cook with
a little bit of milk (should probably cut
that) + some walnuts
12h30: Salmon salad with tomatoes,
(vinegar mixed with olive oil for
dressing)
could also be
Half an artisanal pizza made for very thin
crust (100% organic) + salad + cheese +
some nuts
Basically i try to stick to what ive learn
here from a specialist in hypoglycemia ,
and she basically says mostly same things
as you but she
says i should eat a proportion of 1
portion(glucide, maybe carbs for you)-2
portion (proteins) . What correspond to 1
portion of glucide is ( piece of bread
100% only, 30g of natural oatmeal, 30g of
shreded weath 100 % cereal, also fruits,
tomatoes, carots) But she told me not to
go with fruit for now and i could had it
later she says wheat bread and oats are
slower release then fruit.
If I had to take fruit the best are
bluberries , strawberries , blackberries
like you said.
For bigger meal like dinner or supper i
should be eating 2 portion of glucide
mixed with 3-4 portion of proteins.
I try to stick to that.
I try to eat as many green low carbs
vegetables(salad, cucumber brocoli , i
can for dinner and supper and generally
count them as half a glucideunless ive
taken tomatoes)
Anyways i will diminish my carbs ( i think
i was eating to many anyway , not
considering ones present in vegetables)
I will go with this for a week or so and I
will let you know how it feels.
Might get better cause before I had
tendencie to over eat and eat to fast and
also a week ago i had a diner were i didnt
eat perfectly ( tought i did not eat
desert or anything soo bad)
Also i take 1 homeopatic remedy once a
week , idbe surprise if it had any
influence, but you never know i was
already surprised once (called natrum
muriatic).
Lastly , how long before bed do you eat
your last meal ?? and what is it ?
were did you get all this knowledge any
good websit or book to recommend?!
Thx for all the answer
Have a good week end
ciao
Etienne
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1. Eat a whole avocado, that will keep you
going. Maybe increase some of that cheese
portion too.
2. Try apple cider vinegar, organic if
possible (it's actually very cheap) ad mix
that with the oil, pretty amazing.
3. The pizza is undoubtedly bad for you,
no reason to comment.
4. You are likely eating too much bread,
perhaps try to have a small serving of
rice later in the day (only whole grain,
wild rice or unbleached brown rice)
instead of the bread.
5. Carrots are root vegetables, you should
probably avoid them, potatoes and beets.
6. Eat some italian cut or regular green
beans, they have a decent amount of carbs
and have a sugar that goes straight to the
brain and does not seem to activate the
pancreas. Also, make sure you're only
eating romaine or green leaf lettuce.
Don't even bother with iceberg head
lettuce, it has like no nutritional value
whatsoever.
7. Try for around 80-100g of carbs per day
or a little more if you feel like you need
it.
8. I go to bed no more than an hour after
eating my last meal, usually. This,
according to chinese medicine, is good
because the major flow of chi during
digestion occurs for the first 30 minutes
after eating.
9. Their really aren't that many good
books out there. The two best are the one
by Saunders and the one by Paavo something
rather, I forget how to spell it. It's
called Hypoglycemia: A Better Approach.
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vmiller
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Posted: 04-17-07 08:25am
Stan Stepanic
wrote:
9. Their really aren't that many good
books out there. The two best are the one
by Saunders and the one by Paavo something
rather, I forget how to spell it. It's
called Hypoglycemia: A Better
Approach.
Have you read "The Low Blood Sugar
Handbook" by Ed Krimmel or "Hypoglycemia
for Dummies"?
The "Low Blood Sugar Handbook" I found to
be a great resource for taking
hypoglycemic precautions to the max. It's
a very strict regimen that I am still
trying to determine if I need to go to
that extent.
"Hypoglycemia for Dummies" is a little
more lax on what to eat and what to do,
but it is very informative about the
condition itself and some of the factors
that effect it.
I have the Saunders book at home but
haven't had a chance to read it yet.
You've inspired me to get on it.
I really wish there were more resources
available for hypoglycemic athletes.
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Posted: 04-18-07 08:21am
Yeah, I was planning on writing something
that gave like five different types of
diets for hypoglycemics to try based on
body type and activity level, but the
problem is I probably wouldn't be able to
legally post anything here anymore. I'd
rather help people for free.
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vmiller
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Posted: 04-18-07 09:17am
The help you provide here is very
commendable.
I think you should consider pursuing your
writing interests. Not only will you
probably reach more people with published
material, but it is also pretty easy to
set up your own message board where you
would still be able to help people for
free. Besides, I'd love to see different
variations of the hypoglycemic diet for
different activity levels.
