Post From Pro-life Forum

Perhaps he means that 'homicide' is a legal term...Not that abortion actually is homicide....

Abortion is classed as homicide by law, just depends on what you mean by "law"

Not all killing is murder. Murder is actually a small subset of all killing, which includes accidental homicide, killing in self-defense, suicide, euthanasia, etc. When pro-life activists call abortion "murder," they are suggesting that abortion fits the definition of murder; "The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice" abortion doesn't fall into the definition for two reasons. Abortion is not illegal, and normally mothers don't feel malice towards their unborn children.

"Not all killing is homicide. homicide is actually a small subset of all killing, which includes accidental homicide, killing in self-defense, suicide, euthanasia, etc. When pro-life activists call abortion "homicide," they are suggesting that abortion fits the definition of homicide; "the unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice" abortion doesn't fall into the definition for two reasons. Abortion is not illegal, and normally mothers don't feel malice towards their unborn children. "

That is your belief about what homicide is, many other people even see killing animals as homicide.

"the unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice" abortion doesn't fall into the definition for two reasons. Abortion is not illegal, and normally mothers don't feel malice towards their unborn children. "


But arnt you defining for yourself what is law and what is not law?

who says abortion isnt Ilegal and why should you listen to them....because they are stronger than you and can put you in prison if you dont?

What is law and where does it come from?

When a pro lifer calls an abortion homicide you are correct they are saying
that abortion fits the definition of homicide; "The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice" perhaps its not the deffinition of homicide we disagree on but the legality of abortion and the definition of law.

We have State law, federal law, International law, human law, Moral law, social law, divine law, natural law.

Just because it isnt ilegal in according one set of laws dosnt mean it isnt Ilegal in other sets of laws...so which law is the supreeme law?

It cant be state or federal law since, well it maybe legal in america but ilegal in Ireland...lawful killing in the USA but homicide in Ireland... so which law is the supreeme law?

the one weilding the axe..... and you call yourself free?

"the one that is going to make a difference in my life if i do something wrong...like jail or even being sentinced to death."



"the one weilding the axe..... and you call yourself free?"

"We have no idea who you are talking about."

Well sunflower has demonstraited that the only law she adheres to is the law that is enforced, in that she demonstraites she does not respect the law but fears the law.

She does not respect the law that homicide/stealing/violence is wrong but rather complies with the law simply because she fears that she may be punished if she does not.

Hence she is afraid of those who weild the Axe.... how then can she be free?

I on the other hand do not fear those who can put me in prison or put me to death, I respect the law that says homicide/stealing/violence is wrong, not because of the threat of police action but because I believe in a number of laws that are a higher law than state, federal, internation laws. The law of Nature, the moral law, human law, and dinvie law aka the law of love.

I am free while sunflower is enslaved.

"Guest" - -please read the link wher I have explained the law here and Jenn explained it in the states - abortion is not homicide, regardless of whether your pro-life or pro-choice and it's the government (and subsequently the peoplesaying as we live in democracies) that decide that. It has never and will never be homicide.

Man made law is hypocritical i choose to abide by divine law
Another thing if you are in a court room and have to swear on the bible should you not then follow the laws of the bible not of man?

I think an eye for an eye is a bloody good law as long as you also follow thou shall not kill.

you take my eye i will take yours fairs fair

Where the hell did you get my jesus from i don't even beleive in no diety
I just beleive (which i have had pointed out isn't true) that if you have to swear on the bible you should then be allowed to follow the laws of the bible

If you believe that someone who swears on the bible should follow its laws, then maybe you should actually read all of the horrible laws that are a part of the bible. I certainly wouldn't want anyone following those laws.

"thanks so much for the enlightenment. But dear, I am not enslaved!! No one weild's the axe over me...I can controle who holds that axe over my head by obeying the law."

Exactly... by obaying the law!

would you obay the law if you did not fear the punshiments?

"I Don't do it because because i have morals. i believe in devine law, but the laws of the state, federal and internation laws seem to out weigh the laws of nature and the laws of love."

why because they hold an axe over you?

"Any human can see that if you touch the boiling water you will get burned. that is why there are laws, live by them and you won't pay the price for them. "

thats the law of physics, if you touch something hot your going to get burned....but I am being deliberatly obtuse! I know what you mean.

whatever happened to upholding the law because it the law reflects the moral law and is the right thing to do...where has that gone in todays society?

Remember I talked about respecting the law and that you merely fear the law, If you rely on such and abandon the moral law, the natural law, the divine law then increasingly there is going to be crime and that is what is happening today, less and less people have respect for these laws many dont even know they exist and crime abounds....simply because many are not affraid of law enforcement agencies or even respect the government and laws they make.

The rich man passes a law "dont steal" the poor man with no food why should he respect such laws made by rich people?

Why shouldnt the poor man make his own law.... take as much from the rich as you like in order to feed himself and the poor family?



Why wouldnt he do that,.... because the rich and powerful employ men to enforece there laws, the poor can not afford such bullies

when crime abounds, there is no respect and no fear

what is the answer make penalties harsher or return to teaching a higher law than the government?

How far do you want to take it, how much freedom are you willing to sacrafice?