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Local News From My Area
Posted: 04-10-07 12:06pm
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http://news10now.com/content/top_stories/
default.asp?ArID=101491
The article doesn't have any details, it's
only 5 lines long.
Basically, it seems that self-abortion is
a misdemeanor in ny state.
In my opinion, that's like saying "fixing
your own faucet is a mis-demeanor!"
Is setting your own bones a misdemeanor?
No; but it can certainly be harmful to
yourself; and I assume that's part of ny's
excuse for making self-abortion a
misdemeanor. Suicide is a crime... are
lawmakers trying to compare a
self-abortion to suicide!?
Shouldn't bodily care be the choice of the
person? I can't think of any other case
where caring for your body is a
misdemeanor. Can anyone else?
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Posted: 04-10-07 12:49pm
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I don't think it should be a crime because
the person has to be pretty desperate to
try to carry out an abortion on themselves
so i say they have suffered enough from
the ordeal of doing it to themselves and
don't deserve to be punished any more
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Sunflower_pie81
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Re: Local News From My Area
Posted: 04-10-07 14:51pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | http://news10now.com/content
/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=101491
The article doesn't have any details, it's
only 5 lines long.
Basically, it seems that self-abortion is
a misdemeanor in ny state.
In my
opinion, that's like saying "fixing your
own faucet is a mis-demeanor!"
Is setting your own bones a misdemeanor?
No; but it can certainly be harmful to
yourself; and I assume that's part of ny's
excuse for making self-abortion a
misdemeanor. Suicide is a crime... are
lawmakers trying to compare a
self-abortion to suicide!?
Shouldn't bodily care be the choice of the
person? I can't think of any other case
where caring for your body is a
misdemeanor. Can anyone
else? |
I don't think that fixing your own faecet
is hardly comparable. could be wrong
though.
I don't think that they are comparing
self-abortion to suicide at all. I just
think that they are looking out for the
person...but does this mean that being
prescribed the abortion pill other know as
the ru-486, as self-abortion? Or is
sticking a hanger up your ummm cooch more
of the meaning of self abortion? the
artical wasn't clear as to what
medications she took, "ingested several
over-the-counter and prescription
medications" this tells us nothing. And
taking a bunch of medications would most
likely kill her and the baby...but if it
didn't kill her I don't see how it would
kill the baby.
so i don't know.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 04-10-07 20:58pm
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| Dannzibelle
wrote: | | I don't think it should be a
crime because the person has to be pretty
desperate to try to carry out an abortion
on themselves so i say they have suffered
enough from the ordeal of doing it to
themselves and don't deserve to be
punished any
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That's generally what I feel.
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Re: Local News From My Area
Posted: 04-10-07 20:59pm
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| Sunflower_pie81
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | http://news10now.com/content
/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=101491
The article doesn't have any details, it's
only 5 lines long.
Basically, it seems that self-abortion is
a misdemeanor in ny state.
In my
opinion, that's like saying "fixing your
own faucet is a mis-demeanor!"
Is setting your own bones a misdemeanor?
No; but it can certainly be harmful to
yourself; and I assume that's part of ny's
excuse for making self-abortion a
misdemeanor. Suicide is a crime... are
lawmakers trying to compare a
self-abortion to suicide!?
Shouldn't bodily care be the choice of the
person? I can't think of any other case
where caring for your body is a
misdemeanor. Can anyone
else? |
I don't think that fixing your own faecet
is hardly comparable. could be wrong
though.
I don't think that they are comparing
self-abortion to suicide at all. I just
think that they are looking out for the
person...but does this mean that being
prescribed the abortion pill other know as
the ru-486, as self-abortion? Or is
sticking a hanger up your ummm cooch more
of the meaning of self abortion? the
artical wasn't clear as to what
medications she took, "ingested several
over-the-counter and prescription
medications" this tells us nothing. And
taking a bunch of medications would most
likely kill her and the baby...but if it
didn't kill her I don't see how it would
kill the baby.
so i don't
know. |
That's why I included the parts about
fixing your own bones, since that relates
directly to your body...
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Posted: 04-11-07 07:07am
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yes it should be illegal but it shouldn't
carry a prison sentence more a visit to
the local phsyc ward the same as they
would/do with a attempted suicide
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Re: Local News From My Area
Posted: 04-11-07 08:10am
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| Eiri
wrote: | | That's why I included the
parts about fixing your own bones, since
that relates directly to your
body... |
Yeah but i think that fixing your own
bones is different than ingesting a whole
bunch of pills. (and they aren't trying to
kill themselves by fixing a bone.)the
chances of this killing yourself is more
likely than setting a bone...which most
people don't have the pain tollerance to
do anyway. consuming pills is an easy
thing to do. She was risking her own life
trying to abort her fetus.
I am still on the bar with this one.
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Posted: 04-11-07 12:40pm
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This is tough...
If making self abortion illegal will
promote the values of safety and health
for women, then I support it.
However, nothing is ever this simple.
I agree with diamond splinter 
that it should be illegal--- but a trip to
the psych ward or jail not
required. A trip to the hospital to see
if you are medically clear is in order.
Sure, there may be other psychiatric
issues, but just because a woman wants to
abort and she may have barriers to that
doesn't mean she's mentally ill.
So if we make it illegal, then something
has to balance this; because women would
not self abort if they had adequate
resources. So we need to promote these
resources, thus eradicating even the need
for the law. Which is hard to enforce
anyways.
Does any of that make sense?
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Re: Local News From My Area
Posted: 04-11-07 13:09pm
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wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | That's why I included the
parts about fixing your own bones, since
that relates directly to your
body... |
Yeah but i think that fixing your own
bones is different than ingesting a whole
bunch of pills. (and they aren't trying to
kill themselves by fixing a bone.)the
chances of this killing yourself is more
likely than setting a bone...which most
people don't have the pain tollerance to
do anyway. consuming pills is an easy
thing to do. She was risking her own life
trying to abort her fetus.
I am still on the bar with this
one. |
you're missing the point.
I was talking about medically caring for
yourself. Setting your own bones, making
your own casts, sewing stitches... all of
these activities are dangerous and easy to
do wrong, that's why they should be done
by professionals. Yet, it's not illegal to
do them yourself. However, self-aborting
is
illegal, and the only reason this is so is
because the fetus is involved; the law
doesn't care about the mother at all;
otherwise it wouldn't punish her.
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Posted: 04-11-07 13:19pm
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Women that attempt self abortion are
typically poor and poverty stricken, so
why not have funding for abortion for
these women?
It seems that our medicaid system is more
than happy to shell out 20,000$ plus for
prenatal care and L&D charges, but
they are not covering a 400$ procedure.
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Re: Local News From My Area
Posted: 04-11-07 13:22pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | Sunflower_pie81
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | That's why I included the
parts about fixing your own bones, since
that relates directly to your
body... |
Yeah but i think that fixing your own
bones is different than ingesting a whole
bunch of pills. (and they aren't trying to
kill themselves by fixing a bone.)the
chances of this killing yourself is more
likely than setting a bone...which most
people don't have the pain tollerance to
do anyway. consuming pills is an easy
thing to do. She was risking her own life
trying to abort her fetus.
I am still on the bar with this
one. |
you're missing the point.
I was talking about medically caring for
yourself. Setting your own bones, making
your own casts, sewing stitches... all of
these activities are dangerous and easy to
do wrong, that's why they should be done
by professionals. Yet, it's not illegal to
do them yourself. However, self-aborting
is
illegal, and the only reason this is so is
because the fetus is involved; the law
doesn't care about the mother at all;
otherwise it wouldn't punish
her. |
I am not missing the point. I realize
that self aborting is illegal!!!!!!!!! I
am just giving my views of the topic.
there isn't a point to be missed. I dont'
think that the only reason is that there
is a fetus involved...I belive that there
are other reasons. I am sure that if they
didnt' care about the mother at all then
abortion would be illegal regardless.
Your point is your views and because i
don't see it that way i am wrong...right?
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Posted: 04-11-07 14:40pm
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| Birch
wrote: | | it should be illegal--- but
a trip to the psych ward or jail not
required. A trip to the hospital to see if
you are medically clear is in
order. |
Well, what's the point in it being
illegal, then, if you are not going to be
punished for it  ?
And to keep it suckers as I can, I believe
that self-induced abortions should not be
a punishable crime. Alcoholics who consume
extremely heavy amounts of alcohol on a
daily basis are not prosecuted (and
rightly so), thus why should these women?
I know if someone, for example, attempts
an abortion via the old coathanger method
(obviously a very desperate person, but
that's not the issue I'm highlighting),
then they have the right to. I believe
that people should have the right to do
whatever they want with their own bodies
(good or bad). End of.
Kypros.
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Re: Local News From My Area
Posted: 04-11-07 16:57pm
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| Sunflower_pie81
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | Sunflower_pie81
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | That's why I included the
parts about fixing your own bones, since
that relates directly to your
body... |
Yeah but i think that fixing your own
bones is different than ingesting a whole
bunch of pills. (and they aren't trying to
kill themselves by fixing a bone.)the
chances of this killing yourself is more
likely than setting a bone...which most
people don't have the pain tollerance to
do anyway. consuming pills is an easy
thing to do. She was risking her own life
trying to abort her fetus.
I am still on the bar with this
one. |
you're missing the point.
I was talking about medically caring for
yourself. Setting your own bones, making
your own casts, sewing stitches... all of
these activities are dangerous and easy to
do wrong, that's why they should be done
by professionals. Yet, it's not illegal to
do them yourself. However, self-aborting
is
illegal, and the only reason this is so is
because the fetus is involved; the law
doesn't care about the mother at all;
otherwise it wouldn't punish
her. |
I am not missing the point. I realize
that self aborting is illegal!!!!!!!!! I
am just giving my views of the topic.
there isn't a point to be missed. I dont'
think that the only reason is that there
is a fetus involved...I belive that there
are other reasons. I am sure that if they
didnt' care about the mother at all then
abortion would be illegal regardless.
Your point is your views and because i
don't see it that way i am
wrong...right? |
I was referring to this part:
"She was risking her own life trying to
abort her fetus."
and to the fact that it should't make a
difference. Her body, her choice; there
are many more dangerous activities that
are totally legal. I firmly believe this
has only to do with the fetus.
I said nothing about your views.
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Posted: 04-11-07 17:01pm
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then why is suiside illegal? If it's all
about the fetus and not about the person
carrying?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 04-11-07 17:14pm
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| Sunflower_pie81
wrote: | | then why is suiside illegal?
If it's all about the fetus and not about
the person
carrying? |
Because suicide counts as the murder of a
born person.
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Posted: 04-11-07 19:03pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | Sunflower_pie81
wrote: | | then why is suiside illegal?
If it's all about the fetus and not about
the person
carrying? |
Because suicide counts as the murder of a
born person. |
I did a little internet research and i
didnt' see anywhere that suicide was
compaired to homicide...do i need to
remind you of the defintion of murder?
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Posted: 04-11-07 22:23pm
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| Kypros
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | | it should be illegal--- but
a trip to the psych ward or jail not
required. A trip to the hospital to see if
you are medically clear is in
order. |
Well, what's the point in it being
illegal, then, if you are not going to be
punished for it ?
And to keep it suckers as I can, I believe
that self-induced abortions should not be
a punishable crime. Alcoholics who consume
extremely heavy amounts of alcohol on a
daily basis are not prosecuted (and
rightly so), thus why should these women?
I know if someone, for example, attempts
an abortion via the old coathanger method
(obviously a very desperate person, but
that's not the issue I'm highlighting),
then they have the right to. I believe
that people should have the right to do
whatever they want with their own bodies
(good or bad). End of.
Kypros. |
The point of it being illegal is to deter
women from doing it. I think making it
illegal forces the issue to rise that not
all women have adequate resources
available, that self abortion does occur,
and that we need to find ways so that
women do not have to go to this extreme
measure to do what is legally within their
rights. Of course I realize the
ridiculousness of enforcing the law. How
the hell you going to enforce that? but
maybe it'll keep one woman from doing it;
and thus protect her from potentially
deadly hazards, and that's worth it to
me.
I think it is ultimately the
responsibility of prochoice to promote
health and safety of women, as they choose
it . However ,the value of protection of
life trumps the value of autonomy (IMHO).
Thus, if a person is a mortal and
immediate danger to themself (perhaps by
performing a self abortion) then their
right to autonomy is secondary to getting
this person medically stable.
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Posted: 04-12-07 00:50am
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| Sunflower_pie81
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | Sunflower_pie81
wrote: | | then why is suiside illegal?
If it's all about the fetus and not about
the person
carrying? |
Because suicide counts as the murder of a
born person. |
I did a little internet research and i
didnt' see anywhere that suicide was
compaired to not a nice act...do i need to
remind you of the defintion of murder? |
I know that it is a law, whether people
"compare" it to murder is a
moot point.
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Posted: 04-12-07 07:02am
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| Sunflower_pie81
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It's no longer illegal here 
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