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milletics
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Posted: 07-02-07 08:26am
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I guess thats the problem then.
You believe we are on equal plains with
animals.
I set us up on a little higher pole.
Aborting is responsible? Never ever will
it be responsible. Ever.
Its as unresponsible as one can get.
Who made me the arbiter of those worthy of
death?
Who made you or pro abortionists? You
think its ok to kill an innocent human. I
think its ok to kill a criminal who has
murdered.
Just a little different. No?
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I think humans are aliens. We're a virus
on the .earth. Raping the seas, pillaging
the forests, arrogant in our beliefs that
we are really somethin' special. If we
were this amazing, intelligent creature
"higher" than animals in the arrogance
totem pole, then we wouldn't be destroying
the only environment we live in.
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Posted: 07-02-07 11:35am
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| milletics
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Who made me the arbiter of those worthy of
death?
Who made you or pro abortionists?
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Your "god" did. when we were given free
will.
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milletics
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Posted: 07-02-07 12:22pm
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| sillyakchick
wrote: | | milletics
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Who made me the arbiter of those worthy of
death?
Who made you or pro abortionists?
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Your "god" did. when we were given free
will. |
So then you believe in God?
This is a good start 
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Posted: 07-02-07 12:37pm
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| meblonde01
wrote: | | sentient= Having sense
perception; conscious. I think that make
us very much non-animals! Set a part,
different!
"non-monkey!" |
If we're not animals, then what are we?
Plants? Rocks? Are we clouds, meblonde?
No. We're animals. We are mammals. We
lactate to feed our young and give birth
viviparously. We happen to have the mental
capacity to be aware of all this, but it
doesn't make us any more or any less of an
animal.
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Posted: 07-02-07 12:38pm
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| Birch
wrote: | | I think humans are aliens.
We're a virus on the .earth. Raping the
seas, pillaging the forests, arrogant in
our beliefs that we are really somethin'
special. If we were this amazing,
intelligent creature "higher" than animals
in the arrogance totem pole, then we
wouldn't be destroying the only
environment we live
in. |
Now now, some human cultures lived
peacefully with the land and respected
nature...
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milletics
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Posted: 07-02-07 12:39pm
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| Birch
wrote: | | I think humans are aliens.
We're a virus on the .earth. Raping the
seas, pillaging the forests, arrogant in
our beliefs that we are really somethin'
special. If we were this amazing,
intelligent creature "higher" than animals
in the arrogance totem pole, then we
wouldn't be destroying the only
environment we live
in. |
Thats how one dehumanizes us. By saying we
are the infection.
Its easy to agree with abortion then. "Hey
thats one less human to rape the planet".
It WILL lead to other things though.
Euthanasia possibly.
As someone who loves history, thats
exactly what occured in Nazi Germany.
Through the twenty's and into the thirties
leading upto WWII, Hitler and his henchmen
strategically put the Jews down. Telling
the people they werent human and actually
a subspecies. Over the years the people of
Germany believed them. Brainwashing? A
little. But more so of them convincing
themselves that the Jews were animals.
Lower than animals. Performing
unbelievable medical experiments. Not
saying that this will happen. But history
can repeat itself. Hitler was very big on
euthanasia. Started out with mentally
retarded and eventually led to elderly and
the insane and so-on.
One wrong WILL beget another if left to
itself. It will be accepted. Just like
abortion. Advocates say its a blob. That
it Cant think or reason. But it is
medically and scientiffically an
individual(which rules out the choice
argument).
Guys and gals no matter how you spin it,
Medically, scientifically, or religously
speaking; abortion is wrong.
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Posted: 07-02-07 12:49pm
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| milletics
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | | I think humans are aliens.
We're a virus on the .earth. Raping the
seas, pillaging the forests, arrogant in
our beliefs that we are really somethin'
special. If we were this amazing,
intelligent creature "higher" than animals
in the arrogance totem pole, then we
wouldn't be destroying the only
environment we live
in. |
Thats how one dehumanizes us. By saying we
are the infection.
Its easy to agree with abortion then. "Hey
thats one less human to rape the planet".
It WILL lead to other things though.
Euthanasia
possibly. |
I'm for euthanazia. If a terminal cancer
patient is going to die, I say he or she
has the right to pull the plug. If an old
person is in very bad condition, I say
they have the right to pull the plug. My
own great grandmother starved herself to
death on
purpose because doctors wouldn't
let her die any other way. Can you imagine
the will power needed to starve yourself
to death? Can you imagine the horror I had
to go through as a eight year old watching
my "super-gram" shrivel away? She hated
life. There was a more dignified way to
go: euthanasia.
| Quote: | | As someone who
loves history, thats exactly what occured
in Nazi Germany. Through the twenty's and
into the thirties leading upto WWII,
Hitler and his henchmen strategically put
the Jews down.
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Exterminating and entire race of people is
very different from choosing your own
personal death when faced with a terminal
condition. The jews, the gays, the
gypsies, none of them got a choice. True
euthanasia is a choice, and it's sickening
and degrading to everyone who suffered in
the holocaust that you dare compare the
two.
| Quote: | | [...] Just like
abortion. Advocates say its a blob. That
it Cant think or reason. But it is
medically and scientiffically an
individual(which rules out the choice
argument). |
It is neither medically nor scientifically
an individual. It is a developing animal
(no, it isn't an animal yet. Not an
animal, not a person) that is completely,
100%, irrevocably dependent on the host -
I mean, the mother's body.
It cannot think, it cannot reason at the
stages when most abortions are performed.
Later on in pregnancy, sure, it might be
able to. But that's not when most women
abort. At the time when most abortions
occur, the embryo or fetus cannot even
feel pain. It's like a worm or a bug.
Those animals are fully developed but they
can't feel pain either. Their nervous
systems aren't developed enough. They have
flight or fight responses, as seen when
you cut a worm on half, and when the
embryo or fetus is prodded. But this is
not a pain response. It's an animal
instinct. But wait!!! Humans aren't
animals!! We can't possibly have animal
instincts!!!
I'm sorry, but prenatal science proves you
wrong at every turn.
| Quote: | | Guys and gals no
matter how you spin it, Medically,
scientifically, or religously speaking;
abortion is
wrong. |
You haven't proven anything.
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Posted: 07-02-07 14:26pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | meblonde01
wrote: | | sentient= Having sense
perception; conscious. I think that make
us very much non-animals! Set a part,
different!
"non-monkey!" |
If we're not animals, then what are we?
Plants? Rocks? Are we clouds, meblonde?
No. We're animals. We are mammals. We
lactate to feed our young and give birth
viviparously. We happen to have the mental
capacity to be aware of all this, but it
doesn't make us any more or any less of an
animal. |
clouds would be nice.. 
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young Girl
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Posted: 07-02-07 14:29pm
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| meblonde01
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | meblonde01
wrote: | | sentient= Having sense
perception; conscious. I think that make
us very much non-animals! Set a part,
different!
"non-monkey!" |
If we're not animals, then what are we?
Plants? Rocks? Are we clouds, meblonde?
No. We're animals. We are mammals. We
lactate to feed our young and give birth
viviparously. We happen to have the mental
capacity to be aware of all this, but it
doesn't make us any more or any less of an
animal. |
clouds would be nice.. |
ha ha i was just thinking the same thing
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Posted: 07-02-07 16:14pm
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| milletics
wrote: | I guess thats the problem
then.
You believe we are on equal plains with
animals.
I set us up on a little higher
pole. |
You can set us up higher on the pole all
you want. The fact remains that we are
still animals regardless of where ever
your opinion and esteem place us. The
fact is that we are animals, the opinion
is that we are somehow worth more or
special.
| Quote: | Aborting is
responsible? Never ever will it be
responsible. Ever.
Its as unresponsible as one can
get. |
| Quote: | Who made me the
arbiter of those worthy of death?
Who made you or pro abortionists? You
think its ok to kill an innocent human. I
think its ok to kill a criminal who has
murdered. |
I can end my pregnancies as I so choose
because they are all dependent upon my
body and my body alone. A convicted felon
is not dependent upon anyone's body. The
dependency of the fetus makes it an
expendable part of the .woman's anatomy if
she decides she does not want to donate to
it any longer, much like a cancer, mole,
or her hair. The convicted felon is an
independent, live, sentient, human person
whose rights have been removed through due
process. The fetus does not have rights
to begin with again due to its nature and
relationship to the .woman and thus, due
process is not needed to end the
pregnancy.
You presuppose and hold as fact that fetus
= human person and yet have not proven
your assertion. As such, it is simply an
opinion.
| Quote: | | Just a little
different.
No? |
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 07-02-07 16:21pm
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| milletics
wrote: | I guess thats the problem
then.
You believe we are on equal plains with
animals.
I set us up on a little higher
pole. |
That isn't the problem. No one said we
were equals with animals. We are superior
to animals in many ways, that is obvious.
We are mammals though. And killing is
still killing. It isn't up to you whether
or not one is just as bad as the other.
| milletics
wrote: | Aborting is responsible?
Never ever will it be responsible. Ever.
Its as unresponsible as one can
get. |
Not really. But if you think so, use some
logic and reason while stating that.
| milletics
wrote: | | As someone who loves
history, thats exactly what occured in
nazi germany. Through the twenty's and
into the thirties leading upto wwii,
hitler and his henchmen strategically put
the jews down. Telling the people they
werent human and actually a subspecies.
Over the years the people of germany
believed them. Brainwashing? A little. But
more so of them convincing themselves that
the jews were animals. Lower than animals.
Performing unbelievable medical
experiments. Not saying that this will
happen. But history can repeat itself.
Hitler was very big on euthanasia. Started
out with mentally retarded and eventually
led to elderly and the insane and
so-on. |
You're incredibly disrespectful.
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Posted: 07-02-07 16:25pm
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| milletics
wrote: | Thats how one dehumanizes
us. By saying we are the infection.
Its easy to agree with abortion then. "Hey
thats one less human to rape the planet".
It WILL lead to other things though.
Euthanasia
possibly. |
| Quote: | | Performing
unbelievable medical experiments. Not
saying that this will happen. But history
can repeat itself. Hitler was very big on
euthanasia. Started out with mentally
retarded and eventually led to elderly and
the insane and
so-on. |
| Quote: | | One wrong WILL
beget another if left to
itself. |
| Quote: | | It will be
accepted. |
| Quote: | | Just like
abortion. Advocates say its a
blob. |
| Quote: | | That it Cant
think or
reason. |
| Quote: | | But it is
medically and scientiffically an
individual(which rules out the choice
argument). |
| Quote: | | Guys and gals no
matter how you spin it, Medically,
scientifically, or religously speaking;
abortion is
wrong. |
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milletics
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Posted: 07-02-07 20:29pm
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Im disrespectful for comparing it to the
Nazi's. I never once lessened what
happened then. You did.
We murdered 47+ million babies.
God save our souls.
It amazes me how you are fighting for the
right to kill.
Blows my mind.
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Posted: 07-02-07 20:33pm
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| milletics
wrote: | Im disrespectful for
comparing it to the Nazi's. I never once
lessened what happened then. You did.
We murdered 47+ million babies.
God save our souls.
It amazes me how you are fighting for the
right to kill.
Blows my
mind. |
yeah it amazes me too
its never ending though
and it always will be
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Posted: 07-02-07 21:27pm
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| milletics
wrote: | Im disrespectful for
comparing it to the Nazi's. I never once
lessened what happened then. You did.
We murdered 47+ million babies.
God save our souls.
It amazes me how you are fighting for the
right to kill.
Blows my
mind. |
You are disrespectful for comparing
something like abortion to the deaths of
so many people who truly did suffer.
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Posted: 07-02-07 21:30pm
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| Jude-Love
wrote: | | milletics
wrote: | Im disrespectful for
comparing it to the Nazi's. I never once
lessened what happened then. You did.
We murdered 47+ million babies.
God save our souls.
It amazes me how you are fighting for the
right to kill.
Blows my
mind. |
You are disrespectful for comparing
something like abortion to the deaths of
so many people who truly did
suffer. |
no hes simply giving a comparison
with abortion people do suffer
10 years later a woman realizes she made a
mistake
an innocent life is taken away form
something that could have had a chance and
been great
what hes saying is theres no point fighing
over killing!!!!! thats what it is!!!!!!!
it has a heartbeat. therfor its alive
it needs water and nutrients to survive
therefor its alive
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Posted: 07-02-07 22:06pm
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| the_girlfreind
wrote: | | Jude-Love
wrote: | | milletics
wrote: | Im disrespectful for
comparing it to the Nazi's. I never once
lessened what happened then. You did.
We murdered 47+ million babies.
God save our souls.
It amazes me how you are fighting for the
right to kill.
Blows my
mind. |
You are disrespectful for comparing
something like abortion to the deaths of
so many people who truly did
suffer. |
no hes simply giving a comparison
with abortion people do suffer
10 years later a woman realizes she made a
mistake
an innocent life is taken away form
something that could have had a chance and
been great
what hes saying is theres no point fighing
over killing!!!!! thats what it is!!!!!!!
it has a heartbeat. therfor its alive
it needs water and nutrients to survive
therefor its
alive |
A woman who realizes she 'made a mistake'
has no one to blame but herself then. She
made the decision. No one put a gun to
her head and made her sign any consent
forms.
Fetuses need water? Funny, I never knew
that. It's a wonder how they've been
surviving gestation without it for ages.
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Posted: 07-02-07 22:08pm
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Um,
Have you ever once seen any one of us
claim that the embryo/fetus is not alive?
You haven't seen us claim that, because
its not true. So before you go flying off
the handle, realize one important thing:
Pro-choice is aware that the zef is
"alive". How can it not be? An egg is
alive and a sperm is alive. Two living
things doesn't equal something dead.
However, pro-choice is capable of
realizing when someone's life is worth
more than another's.
Just as I don't think humans are above
animals... Do you think your life is worth
more than a cow's? I bet you do,
especially if you're not vegetarian. But,
you still know "I need food to eat. I cn
kill a cow, or starve". I'm simplifying.
Let's pretend you're alone in the wild.
Fish, which you can catch, make a good
meal. Is their life worth more than yours?
That argument goes for every single
carnivore and omnivore (that's the kind of
animal humans are) in the world.
Moving on, most women don't
regret their abortions.
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Posted: 07-02-07 22:11pm
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| Jude-Love
wrote: | | the_girlfreind
wrote: | | Jude-Love
wrote: | | milletics
wrote: | Im disrespectful for
comparing it to the Nazi's. I never once
lessened what happened then. You did.
We murdered 47+ million babies.
God save our souls.
It amazes me how you are fighting for the
right to kill.
Blows my
mind. |
You are disrespectful for comparing
something like abortion to the deaths of
so many people who truly did
suffer. |
no hes simply giving a comparison
with abortion people do suffer
10 years later a woman realizes she made a
mistake
an innocent life is taken away form
something that could have had a chance and
been great
what hes saying is theres no point fighing
over killing!!!!! thats what it is!!!!!!!
it has a heartbeat. therfor its alive
it needs water and nutrients to survive
therefor its
alive |
A woman who realizes she 'made a mistake'
has no one to blame but herself then. She
made the decision. No one put a gun to
her head and made her sign any consent
forms.
Fetuses need water? Funny, I never knew
that. It's a wonder how they've been
surviving gestation without it for
ages. |
to grow a fetus needs water and nutrients
duh
thats how babies form.
abortions on some states could be done up
to 13 weeks of pregnancy. do you know by
13 weeks a fetus actually LOOKS like a
formed baby?
a woman whos made a mistake shouldnt beat
herself up over it for the rest of her
life
i think its a choice that parenst have to
make :keep it or not
its no ones decition but theres
and everyone has their own opinions
it will always be an ongoing thing and
never end with one agreement
like polotics
that what abortion is is politics
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