sillyakchick
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Posted: 04-16-07 13:08pm
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| meblonde01
wrote: | | The bottom line in this
conversation will lead into another topic.
The truth of the matter is. If you want to
go to hell Kill your baby! One that is
either already born or one that is not. It
is still killing. If a fetus was not
killed it would turn into a living human
being.. Thus you are taken a life.. No
if's, ands, or buts about that
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Wasn't there a Monty Python skit "every
sperm is sacred"? where do you draw the
line? Is protected sex the same as
homicide? After all, you are denying life
to an organism which could have become a
child. If you use a condom, you are
preventing the birth of something that
would have turned into a living human
being.
Why do you care whether I go to Hell or
not? There would be more room in "heaven"
for you. On the other hand, since your
very own Bible indicates that you should
"judge not, lest ye be judged", then
aren't you bound for damnation right along
with me?
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Kypros
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Posted: 04-16-07 13:20pm
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| Dannzibelle
wrote: | | Kypros
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | Hell does not
exist. |
Sorry to be pedantic, but that's a
completely false statement. How do you
know that Hell does not
exist? |
Nobody knows if it does or doesn't it is a
matter of personal belief in my
opinion |
Yeah, exactly. But saying "Hell does not
exist" indicates it is a fact, which
nobody knows.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 04-16-07 13:30pm
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The sperm is not a child nor can be a
child on it's own Big diff,, I am not
judging. I am quoting one of the ten
commandments and that is not judging. If
one believes in God. And they take a life
They are going to go to hell. That is not
judging that is the word of God.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 04-16-07 13:38pm
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I knew this would get off the topic. Maybe
we could get back to abortion debate and
put this heaven or hell topic into another
forum..
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Birch
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Posted: 04-16-07 13:42pm
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| meblonde01
wrote: | | I knew this would get off
the topic. Maybe we could get back to
abortion debate and put this heaven or
hell topic into another
forum.. |
What clued you in that it would get off
topic?
Maybe it's when you said "The bottom line
in this conversation will lead into
another topic. The truth of the matter is.
If you want to go to hell Kill your
baby!"

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sillyakchick
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Posted: 04-16-07 13:46pm
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| meblonde01
wrote: | | The sperm is not a child nor
can be a child on it's own Big diff,, I am
not judging. I am quoting one of the ten
commandments and that is not judging. If
one believes in God. And they take a life
They are going to go to hell. That is not
judging that is the word of
God. |
Some would consider them to be one and the
same. I see no difference between sperm,
ova, and zygote. They are cells with
human potential. They must have the
proper conditions in order to be birthed
and become children.
But I am glad that the only people who
will go to Hell are those who believe in
God. Which makes me safe.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 04-16-07 16:03pm
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Happily married people, like myself, have
abortions because we do not want to be
pregnant.[at that time]
Women in monogamous relationships have
abortions.
Women of all religions, races,
socioeconomic backgrounds, and income
levels, have abortions.
I work in an abortion clinic, so I know
full well the types of women that choose
an abortion.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 04-16-07 16:30pm
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| Birch
wrote: | | meblonde01
wrote: | | I knew this would get off
the topic. Maybe we could get back to
abortion debate and put this heaven or
hell topic into another
forum.. |
What clued you in that it would get off
topic?
Maybe it's when you said "The bottom line
in this conversation will lead into
another topic. The truth of the matter is.
If you want to go to hell Kill your
baby!"
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Good observation Birch.. I sort of think I
knew that one.. Duh..
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Tylanas
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Posted: 04-16-07 17:51pm
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Your belief that hell exists means you
must now prove its existance and where it
is and you must account for all of the
souls in it.
Please start now.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 04-16-07 20:33pm
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| sillyakchick
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But I am glad that the only people who
will go to Hell are those who believe in
God. Which makes me
safe. |
it's viceversa. The ones who believe in
god are the ones safe. The ones who don't
are the ones not safe.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 04-16-07 21:14pm
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | sillyakchick
wrote: |
But I am glad that the only people who
will go to Hell are those who believe in
God. Which makes me
safe. |
it's viceversa. The ones who believe in
god are the ones safe. The ones who don't
are the ones not
safe. |
Apparently, you have to be "born again" in
order to go to heaven. Simply believing is
not good enough. Sorry, nightangel. You're
doomed with me!
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Birch
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Posted: 04-16-07 22:08pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | sillyakchick
wrote: |
But I am glad that the only people who
will go to Hell are those who believe in
God. Which makes me
safe. |
it's viceversa. The ones who believe in
god are the ones safe. The ones who don't
are the ones not
safe. |
Apparently, you have to be "born again" in
order to go to heaven. Simply believing is
not good enough. Sorry, nightangel. You're
doomed with
me! |
She is waiting until after her wedding so
her spiritual hymen can be "born again" as
well. 
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Tylanas
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Posted: 04-16-07 22:30pm
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| Birch
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | sillyakchick
wrote: |
But I am glad that the only people who
will go to Hell are those who believe in
God. Which makes me
safe. |
it's viceversa. The ones who believe in
god are the ones safe. The ones who don't
are the ones not
safe. |
Apparently, you have to be "born again" in
order to go to heaven. Simply believing is
not good enough. Sorry, nightangel. You're
doomed with
me! |
She is waiting until after her wedding so
her spiritual hymen can be "born again" as
well.  |
Haha XD
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nightangel73
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Posted: 04-16-07 22:41pm
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| Birch
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | sillyakchick
wrote: |
But I am glad that the only people who
will go to Hell are those who believe in
God. Which makes me
safe. |
it's viceversa. The ones who believe in
god are the ones safe. The ones who don't
are the ones not
safe. |
Apparently, you have to be "born again" in
order to go to heaven. Simply believing is
not good enough. Sorry, nightangel. You're
doomed with
me! |
She is waiting until after her wedding so
her spiritual hymen can be "born again" as
well.  |
that's right, only six months away for my
hymen to be born again! 
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jemmini6
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Posted: 04-28-07 01:05am
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I don't know why people can't just keep to
their own beliefs and not try to push
their versions of the truth on every one
else. To start off, I think that whatever
you believe is what will be true for you.
If you believe there is a heaven or a
hell, then in your afterlife, you go to
whichever you believe you are supposed to
go to. If you believe that death is the
end of everything and there is nothing
after you die, then there will be nothing
for you after you die. No matter how much
the two argue, the person that believes in
heaven cannot make the other believe in it
too and vise versa.
This premise applies to abortion. If you
do not believe in abortion, then if you
get pregnant, it is a wonderful blessing
that you can have with out aborting it.
However, if you believe in the right to
choose, then if you get pregnant, you can
decide if it is the right time to have a
baby and choose to keep it or not. But
why does everyone always have to push
their beliefs on everyone else. People
need to accept the fact they are not
always "right" because what you may think
is right for you...is not always going to
be right for someone else.
I'm just thankful that in this country, we
have the right to choose. I myself
thought I may have been pregnant recently,
and if that was the case, abortion would
be the choice I would make at this point
in my life. I am not in the position
currently where I could raise a child, or
even carry a pregnancy to term.
I do think, however, that abortion should
not be used as casually as a birth control
method as some women do. Prevention
should always be the first step, but
accidents happen and we should be able to
have options in that case.
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Jincks013
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Posted: 04-28-07 08:13am
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I am 38, in a stable relationship with a
good career and my tubes tied. If I were
to have a 'miracle' pregnancy I assure you
I would not hesitate to abort said
unwanted gestation.
I am to old IMO to raise another child. I
have one daughter heading to college this
fall and the other into her second year of
middle school.
I am not a poor underemployed woman that
PFL can try to bully.
Where does this misconception that women
who abort are all middle income single
women come from? I assure you that as much
as sterotyping can be entertaining to read
it is not very accurate.
At this stage of my life, as in my early
20's, I will not hesitate to abort and
unwanted pregnancy.
Its my body and my choice.
Don't try 'moral' or the heaven and hell
arguement unless you are willing to go to
a philosphy forum and discuss it with me
there.
Many religions over time have their own
versions of heaven called Valhalla, Summer
fields, Elysian Fields, yada yada yada..
same for hell.. Dante actually gave the
image of a fiery hell, the vikings
believed hell was a place of extreme
cold.. so lets not go there atm.
Abortion is something women do, outlawing
it will not in fact make it stop.
But I've a question for you..
What makes you think gestating will solve
the problems that are most often quoted as
the primary reasons women choose
abortion?
How does gestating fix the most common
reasons women consider abortion?
- Birth control (contraceptive) failure.
Over half of all women who have an
abortion used a contraceptive method
during the month they became pregnant.
- Inability to support or care for a
child.
- To end an unwanted pregnancy.
- To prevent the birth of a child with
birth defects or severe medical problems.
Such defects are often unknown until
routine second-trimester tests are done.
- Pregnancy resulting from rape or
incest. Every year, about 13,000 women
choose abortion after suffering rape or
incest.9
Physical or mental conditions that
endanger the woman's health if the
pregnancy is continued.
Tell me what magic wand is waved to fix
any of these issues by gestating.
Pony up.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 04-29-07 19:05pm
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| Jincks013
wrote: | I am 38, in a stable
relationship with a good career and my
tubes tied. If I were to have a 'miracle'
pregnancy I assure you I would not
hesitate to abort said unwanted gestation.
I am to old IMO to raise another child. I
have one daughter heading to college this
fall and the other into her second year of
middle school.
I am not a poor underemployed woman that
PFL can try to bully.
Where does this misconception that women
who abort are all middle income single
women come from? I assure you that as much
as sterotyping can be entertaining to read
it is not very accurate.
At this stage of my life, as in my early
20's, I will not hesitate to abort and
unwanted pregnancy.
Its my body and my choice.
Don't try 'moral' or the heaven and hell
arguement unless you are willing to go to
a philosphy forum and discuss it with me
there.
Many religions over time have their own
versions of heaven called Valhalla, Summer
fields, Elysian Fields, yada yada yada..
same for hell.. Dante actually gave the
image of a fiery hell, the vikings
believed hell was a place of extreme
cold.. so lets not go there atm.
Abortion is something women do, outlawing
it will not in fact make it stop.
But I've a question for you..
What makes you think gestating will solve
the problems that are most often quoted as
the primary reasons women choose
abortion?
How does gestating fix the most common
reasons women consider abortion?
- Birth control (contraceptive) failure.
Over half of all women who have an
abortion used a contraceptive method
during the month they became pregnant.
- Inability to support or care for a
child.
- To end an unwanted pregnancy.
- To prevent the birth of a child with
birth defects or severe medical problems.
Such defects are often unknown until
routine second-trimester tests are done.
- Pregnancy resulting from rape or
incest. Every year, about 13,000 women
choose abortion after suffering rape or
incest.9
Physical or mental conditions that
endanger the woman's health if the
pregnancy is continued.
Tell me what magic wand is waved to fix
any of these issues by gestating.
Pony up. |
It's not that gestating will solve the
problems. Nor is killing humans. Any woman
who gets pregnant can find a way out
having the baby. We all do find a way out
when faced through difficult situations in
life. You just need to believe in yourself
that you can do things and things will
happen. That's it.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 04-29-07 19:23pm
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Women who abort do believe in themselves
and things do happen.
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Jincks013
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Posted: 05-04-07 08:11am
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You ((PFL)) still fail to answer the
question.. how does gestating solve the
problems the women most quote as the
reason they decide to abort?
Sidestepping isn't going to work here
I want proof.
Does forced gestation make someone
automatically ready to parent?
Does forced gestation make someone
automatically financially stable enough to
support a child?
Does forced gestation ensure all
contraceptives are 100% reliable?
Does forced gestation automatically mature
those to young to gestate? Does it repair
all broken relationships? Does it cure
severe medical problems? Does it make
rapes, molestations or acts of incest
magically not have happened? Does it make
childcare immediately affordable? Does it
stop abusive situations?
Can you prove to me that forced gestation
has a positive impact on any of these
issue and if so.. post it.
Pony up.
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| Critizin
wrote: | guest..... when a fetus is
not fully grown it has no feelings it has
no pain it is fact a parasite living off
you.... -_-
good day! |
i'm sorry, but obviously you don't know
anything about babies, pregnancy, or
abortion. ask a doctor who has performed
an abortion and if they tell you the truth
they will tell you that when a
partial-birth abortion is preformed, the
baby does indeed scream and cry. it does
feel pain. it does have emotions. this
may be hard for you to understand if you
have never been pregnant, but that 'fetus'
growing inside is a baby. not a parasite.
not an alien. look up pictures of aborted
'fetuses' and then try saying that it
isn't a baby. also, how can something
growing inside be a parasite/alien but
once it's been born it's a baby? that's
about as dumb as saying a flower just
sprouting isn't a flower until it's fully
grown.
in reply to Jincks013: no, not everyone
is able to support a child, but having the
baby and giving it up for adoption is a
much safer choice than having it aborted.
it's simple to give up a baby for
adoption. you can even just drop it off
at a police station and they won't ask any
questions. how easy is that? if someone
just doesn't want to go through the
pregnancy process, well they should learn
to live with it because abortion is
homicide. you are ending a baby's life,
and that it is not your right to choose
whether or not that baby should live when
it can't even speak for itself yet.
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