guest..... when a fetus is
not fully grown it has no feelings it has
no pain it is fact a parasite living off
you.... -_-
good day!
i'm sorry, but obviously you don't know
anything about babies, pregnancy, or
abortion. ask a doctor who has performed
an abortion and if they tell you the truth
they will tell you that when a
partial-birth abortion is preformed, the
baby does indeed scream and cry. it does
feel pain. it does have emotions. this
may be hard for you to understand if you
have never been pregnant, but that 'fetus'
growing inside is a baby. not a parasite.
not an alien. look up pictures of aborted
'fetuses' and then try saying that it
isn't a baby. also, how can something
growing inside be a parasite/alien but
once it's been born it's a baby? that's
about as dumb as saying a flower just
sprouting isn't a flower until it's fully
grown.
in reply to Jincks013: no, not everyone
is able to support a child, but having the
baby and giving it up for adoption is a
much safer choice than having it aborted.
it's simple to give up a baby for
adoption. you can even just drop it off
at a police station and they won't ask any
questions. how easy is that? if someone
just doesn't want to go through the
pregnancy process, well they should learn
to live with it because abortion is not a
nice act. you are ending a baby's life,
and that it is not your right to choose
whether or not that baby should live when
it can't even speak for itself
yet.
from what I have gathered from all of
there answers there in no other method
then to abort. Sad isn't it?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 05-08-07 17:42pm
_annabelle
wrote:
Critizin
wrote:
guest..... when a fetus is
not fully grown it has no feelings it has
no pain it is fact a parasite living off
you.... -_-
good day!
i'm sorry, but obviously you don't know
anything about babies, pregnancy, or
abortion. ask a doctor who has performed
an abortion and if they tell you the truth
they will tell you that when a
partial-birth abortion is preformed, the
baby does indeed scream and cry.
WHoah there doggy. it is clear that you are
the one who knows nothing about
abortions.
The abortion procedure you speak of is so
rare, it comprises less than 1% of all
abortions performed in america!! These
abortions are done only for fetal
deformity, or when the mother is going to
die.
Quote:
it does feel
pain. it does have emotions. this may be
hard for you to understand if you have
never been pregnant, but that 'fetus'
growing inside is a baby. not a parasite.
not an alien. look up pictures of aborted
'fetuses' and then try saying that it
isn't a baby. also, how can something
growing inside be a parasite/alien but
once it's been born it's a baby? that's
about as dumb as saying a flower just
sprouting isn't a flower until it's fully
grown.
There is something called viability, and
it's a concept that most pro-choicers
don't even understand. Early on, a fetus
has a tail, gills... can you call that
human? Early on, it has been physically
proven that a fetus does not feel
pain. DO you know why? It is because the
fetus' brain is not connected yet and so
it literally cannot feel pain!!
Born babies do not have the mental
capacity to smile and express - possibly
even feel - joy until several weeks old.
Quote:
in reply to
Jincks013: no, not everyone is able to
support a child, but having the baby and
giving it up for adoption is a much safer
choice than having it aborted.
Safer in what way? ABortion is safer for
the mother than birth, far far safer. You
are more likely to become infertile from
giving birth than you are from having an
abortion. Death rates are higher for
pregnancy than during an abortion.
Quote:
it's simple to
give up a baby for adoption. you can even
just drop it off at a police station and
they won't ask any questions. how easy is
that?
You are clearly a callous, emotional
woman. You clearly have never had to give
a child up for adoption.
Quote:
if someone just
doesn't want to go through the pregnancy
process, well they should learn to live
with it because abortion is not a nice
act.
No it isn't murder. Not by law, and not by
nature. A fetus is not a person. It is
human, but not a person.
Quote:
you are ending a
baby's life, and that it is not your right
to choose whether or not that baby should
live when it can't even speak for itself
yet.
It's not a baby. it's a fetus.
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bre_anne
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Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 67 Location: ca
Posted: 05-08-07 17:46pm
quick question for you if is not baby or a
human then what do you think it is...its
not like it can turn into a fish for a
lizard of course its a life i am 10 weeks
pregnant i seen my babies heart beat at 5
weeks on a ultra sound but you say that
its not a human but yet it has a heart
rate?
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Posted: 05-08-07 17:50pm
bre_anne
wrote:
quick question for you if is
not baby or a human then what do you think
it is...its not like it can turn into a
fish for a lizard of course its a life i
am 10 weeks pregnant i seen my babies
heart beat at 5 weeks on a ultra sound but
you say that its not a human but yet it
has a heart
rate?
Are you illiterate?
I said it is human. You clearly
cannot read. I'm done answering that
stupid question.
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bre_anne
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 67 Location: ca
Posted: 05-08-07 17:53pm
okay you said its a human not a person
same thing health question
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_annabelle
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Posted: 05-08-07 18:20pm
meblonde01
wrote:
_annabelle
wrote:
Critizin
wrote:
guest..... when a fetus is
not fully grown it has no feelings it has
no pain it is fact a parasite living off
you.... -_-
good day!
i'm sorry, but obviously you don't know
anything about babies, pregnancy, or
abortion. ask a doctor who has performed
an abortion and if they tell you the truth
they will tell you that when a
partial-birth abortion is preformed, the
baby does indeed scream and cry. it does
feel pain. it does have emotions. this
may be hard for you to understand if you
have never been pregnant, but that 'fetus'
growing inside is a baby. not a parasite.
not an alien. look up pictures of aborted
'fetuses' and then try saying that it
isn't a baby. also, how can something
growing inside be a parasite/alien but
once it's been born it's a baby? that's
about as dumb as saying a flower just
sprouting isn't a flower until it's fully
grown.
in reply to Jincks013: no, not everyone
is able to support a child, but having the
baby and giving it up for adoption is a
much safer choice than having it aborted.
it's simple to give up a baby for
adoption. you can even just drop it off
at a police station and they won't ask any
questions. how easy is that? if someone
just doesn't want to go through the
pregnancy process, well they should learn
to live with it because abortion is not a
nice act. you are ending a baby's life,
and that it is not your right to choose
whether or not that baby should live when
it can't even speak for itself
yet.
from what I have gathered from all of
there answers there in no other method
then to abort. Sad isn't
it?
it is sad that the only way to give up
you're own child without giving birth to
it is to abort it. i've been taught that
it's wrong and i believe it is, but i
understand that not everyone feels the
same way. it is, however, still much
safer to give birth and put the child up
for adoption rather than to have it
aborted. abortions scar
women....physically and often emotionally
as well.
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_annabelle
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 May 2007 Posts: 7
Posted: 05-08-07 18:42pm
Eiri
wrote:
_annabelle
wrote:
Critizin
wrote:
guest..... when a fetus is
not fully grown it has no feelings it has
no pain it is fact a parasite living off
you.... -_-
good day!
i'm sorry, but obviously you don't know
anything about babies, pregnancy, or
abortion. ask a doctor who has performed
an abortion and if they tell you the truth
they will tell you that when a
partial-birth abortion is preformed, the
baby does indeed scream and cry.
WHoah there doggy. it is clear that you are
the one who knows nothing about
abortions.
The abortion procedure you speak of is so
rare, it comprises less than 1% of all
abortions performed in america!! These
abortions are done only for fetal
deformity, or when the mother is going to
die.
Quote:
it does feel
pain. it does have emotions. this may be
hard for you to understand if you have
never been pregnant, but that 'fetus'
growing inside is a baby. not a parasite.
not an alien. look up pictures of aborted
'fetuses' and then try saying that it
isn't a baby. also, how can something
growing inside be a parasite/alien but
once it's been born it's a baby? that's
about as dumb as saying a flower just
sprouting isn't a flower until it's fully
grown.
There is something called viability, and
it's a concept that most pro-choicers
don't even understand. Early on, a fetus
has a tail, gills... can you call that
human? Early on, it has been physically
proven that a fetus does not feel
pain. DO you know why? It is because the
fetus' brain is not connected yet and so
it literally cannot feel pain!!
Born babies do not have the mental
capacity to smile and express - possibly
even feel - joy until several weeks old.
Quote:
in reply to
Jincks013: no, not everyone is able to
support a child, but having the baby and
giving it up for adoption is a much safer
choice than having it aborted.
Safer in what way? ABortion is safer for
the mother than birth, far far safer. You
are more likely to become infertile from
giving birth than you are from having an
abortion. Death rates are higher for
pregnancy than during an abortion.
Quote:
it's simple to
give up a baby for adoption. you can even
just drop it off at a police station and
they won't ask any questions. how easy is
that?
You are clearly a callous, emotional
woman. You clearly have never had to give
a child up for adoption.
Quote:
if someone just
doesn't want to go through the pregnancy
process, well they should learn to live
with it because abortion is not a nice
act.
No it isn't murder. Not by law, and not by
nature. A fetus is not a person. It is
human, but not a person.
Quote:
you are ending a
baby's life, and that it is not your right
to choose whether or not that baby should
live when it can't even speak for itself
yet.
It's not a baby. it's a
fetus.
yes...i
know it isn't performed as often, it was
just one example i was giving. and why
should you end someone's life just because
of a deformity they have? they still have
the chance to live.
oh my...so
ignorant. that 'tail' and 'gills' and
not actually a tail and gills. that
'tail' is the spine forming and the
'gills' are folds of skin. i know what
i'm talking about, i remember learning
this in biology. it takes time for the
body to develop. it doesn't just all
appear at once.
it most
definitely is not safer. more women
become infertile due to abortion than
those who become infertile due to birth.
i know several mothers with 3+ children
[meaning they didn't become infertile]. i
also know of at least two ladies who had
just one abortion and have been unable to
bare children ever since. abortion can
also cause the woman having the
'operation' to die...although i don't
think the rate of death during abortion is
very high. however, it does scar women.
a friend of mine is helping someone who
just had an abortion and the girl is
having a very, very hard time with
it
no, i
never have had to do that and i would
never want to. but how is it more callous
to give the child up for adoption as
opposed to killing it?! also, callous and
emotional do not go together...they're
opposites. that was contradictory
that
makes no sense. 'it is human, but not a
person.' a human is a person health
question. and it is homicide. it used to
be a law up until sometime in the 70s (i
think) that abortion was illegal because
it is homicide. but women were having
abortions in unclean places [such as
allies]. so, the government decided to
legalize it because women were doing it
anyway and decided that they should at
least have it done professionally and in a
clean environment.
a baby is
a fetus/a fetus is a baby. it is a human
being. after just a few weeks, you can
hear it's heart beat. after two months
you can see the definite form of a baby.
after three months you can see it's
gender. after four-five months it is
moving around in the womb. have you ever
been pregnant...for more than just a few
weeks? have you ever been far along
enough that your tummy protruded? by the
way you talk about this subject, i doubt
it. if you have been-then my mistake.
and if you have been and you had an
abortion...that is cold an heartless. if
your mother had aborted you, you would not
be here today. but wait...if
forgot...before you were born you were
just a fetus. you weren't you. you
didn't matter. you were just a blob -
according to scientists.
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jenn_smithson
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 808 Location: Texas
Posted: 05-08-07 19:16pm
bre_anne
wrote:
okay you said its a human
not a person same thing health
question
No, it's not. Human can
mean a lot of different things. Hair
follicles from your head are
human, toe nails you cut, skin cells you
shed, the lungs in your body, even cycsts
or, god forbid, cancers are
human. They are genetically members of
the homo
sapien species.
A "Person", however, can be (and is in
this conversation) something very
different than a human. A "person" is a
legal distinction provided to
some human beings, animals,
plants, and/or corporations.
Humans who are alive, independent, and
have reached certain levels of
consciouness are considered, under the
law, to be "persons." At birth, most
humans will attain personhood - the
legal distinction that they are protected
under the laws of that land.
However, some humans do not attain
personhood and some humans lose their
status of personhood. A fetus,
miscarriage, stillborn, hydatiform mole
(or molar pregnancy), cycts, and cancers
(because cancers do have their own, unique
dna) do not carry personhood from
conception, creation, or mutation. This
means that they are not protected under
the law as we are and that they are not
considered to be persons (because the term
"person" is a legal distinction).
Other humans may lose their status of
personhood through disease or injury in
which case the Persons responsible for
them can remove them from any support.
Some animals and plants that are
endangered can also be considered
"persons" under the law to protect them
from extinction.
Corporations can also be considered a
"person" for tax purposes.
What eiri posted is very true. In a human
pregnancy, the fetus is human
however it is not considered to be an
independent "person" until successful
live birth.
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jenn_smithson
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 808 Location: Texas
Posted: 05-08-07 19:43pm
_annabelle
wrote:
yes...i know it isn't
performed as often, it was just one
example i was giving. and why should you
end someone's life just because of a
deformity they have? they still have the
chance to
live.
Not in these cases, no
they don't, which is why this option is
exersized to begin with. If the fetus had
a chance at life, the doctor's would
simply induce labor or perform a
c-section. Obviously, there is another
legitimate reason as to why an
abortion must be performed
instead of going through a labor and
delivery or a c-section. In the vast
majority of D&X procedures, the pregnancy
was wanted! Something tragic which
necessitates the removal of the pregnancy
has occurred and thus, this option is
(was) used. A D&X can be medically
necessary.
Quote:
it most
definitely is not safer. more women
become infertile due to abortion than
those who become infertile due to
birth.
Several of us have
posted the relevant facts on this numerous
times. This simply is not true in any
region or nation.
Quote:
i know several
mothers with 3+ children [meaning they
didn't become infertile]. i also know of
at least two ladies who had just one
abortion and have been unable to bare
children ever since. abortion can also
cause the woman having the 'operation' to
die...although i don't think the rate of
death during abortion is very high.
however, it does scar women. a friend of
mine is helping someone who just had an
abortion and the girl is having a very,
very hard time with
it
Anecdotal evidence is
not reliable nor is it relevant in this
case since the real facts and rates on
abortion are monitored. You would be
served well to start with the guttmacher
institute. www.guttmacher.org
Quote:
but how is it
more callous to give the child up for
adoption as opposed to killing
it?!
She said that your attitude was callous,
not the act of adoption or abortion. Your
attitude toward women who must have
abortions to save their health and lives
is what is callous.
And, ending a pregnancy before
the fetus can feel pain can be more
compassionate than waiting for birth and a
slow death. If you do not disagree,
that's fine. Feel free to give birth to
deformed or diseased neonates and sit back
and watch them die in agony. For me, I
will choose to abort a failed or doomed
pregnancy before the fetus can feel
physical pain.
Quote:
that makes no
sense. 'it is human, but not a person.'
a human is a person health question. and
it is not a nice
act.
See my post above. Also,
abortion is not m-rder. Please look up
the definition of m-rder and educate
yourself.
[quote] it used to be a law up until
sometime in the 70s (i think) that
abortion was illegal because it is not a
nice act. but women were having abortions
in unclean places [such as allies]. so,
the government decided to legalize it
because women were doing it anyway and
decided that they should at least have it
done professionally and in a clean
environment.[/b]Abortion was criminilazed
in the late 1800's because .women were
dying (lack of antibiotics and such) and
leaving scores of young children at home
to fend for themselves (during this time,
the father had to work and could not
choose to stay home) or were shipped off
to orphanages or other family members.
Abortion
was criminalized to "protect" .women, not
because any legislature decided it was
m-rder to commit.
Further, with the discovery and
manufacture of antibiotics as well as
safer methods of abortion and more
knowledge about the female anatomy, these
rates dropped significantly. State
legislatures began legalizing abortion
because it was safe for women to engage
in. The supreme court heard from medical
experts on the issues and decided that the
constitution provided women the right to
choose an abortion as a private
medical decision.
Quote:
a baby is a
fetus/a fetus is a
baby.
No. A baby is a
colloquial term used by lay people to
describe a live, healthy infant or
neonate. Fetus is the term used to
describe a time of development within
gestation, typically 8 weeks gestation
until birth.
Quote:
it is a human
being.
It is a human organism,
but not a person.
Quote:
after just a
few weeks, you can hear it's heart
beat.
At six weeks. My
grandfather, at 87, had a massive stroke
and yet his heart still beat. We had to
remove him from support so that his
physical body could match his mental state
and pass away. Clearly, more than a
heartbeat is needed to gain protection
under the law and be a person!
Quote:
after two
months you can see the definite form of a
baby.
At 8 weeks, technically
two months, the form is .n.o.t anything
like a baby. A vestigial tail still
remains, a bulbous - almost alienlike head
is present, and most women could not pick
it out at an ultrasound if they tried.
The fetus is the size of a kidney bean and
if miscarried or aborted, the woman would
not be able to tell it from the other
blood clots present.
Hell, last month I experienced a bad month
with dysfunctional uteruine bleeding and
had blood clots bigger than any two month
fetus!
Quote:
after three
months you can see it's
gender.
This occurs, typically,
at 19 or 20 weeks - the end of the fourth
and beginning of the fifth month, to be
exact.
Quote:
if your mother
had aborted you, you would not be here
today. but wait...if forgot...before you
were born you were just a fetus. you
weren't you. you didn't matter. you were
just a blob - according to
scientists.
.f.i.n.a.l.l.y, something
correct!
And my mother, and eiri's (though she
doesn't need me to respond for her), .c.h.o.s.e to keep the
pregnancies that resulted in us. They
were not forced or compelled to do so
which means that I was wanted
and not just an obligation!!!
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Tylanas
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Posted: 05-08-07 20:04pm
bre_anne
wrote:
okay you said its a human
not a person same thing health
question
No.
It's not.
Legally, the fetus is not a person.
Even following the laws of nature and not
man, the fetus is nothing like a person.
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Posted: 05-08-07 20:36pm
Eiri
wrote:
bre_anne
wrote:
okay you said its a human
not a person same thing health
question
No.
It's not.
Legally, the fetus is not a person.
Even following the laws of nature and not
man, the fetus is nothing like a
person.
It has a heart beat and the complete dna.
Just not fully developed. Just like a
child is not fully developed. A
child/infant/baby is a person no matter if
it's body is not fully developed. So why
deny the fetus?
it's all about the development stages but
a fetus is sure is a person. It may be not
define by the law of the us government but
it's just plain common sense it is and it
is well defined in the law of god that it
is a person. I don't understand why
pro-choice is so obsessed about the word
person anyways when a fetus looks exactly
like a baby, exactly.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 05-08-07 20:44pm
nightangel73
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
bre_anne
wrote:
okay you said its a human
not a person same thing health
question
No.
It's not.
Legally, the fetus is not a person.
Even following the laws of nature and not
man, the fetus is nothing like a
person.
It has a heart beat and the complete dna.
Just not fully developed. Just like a
child is not fully developed. A
child/infant/baby is a person no matter if
it's body is not fully developed. So why
deny the fetus?
it's all about the development stages but
a fetus is sure is a person. It may be not
define by the law of the us government but
it's just plain common sense it is and it
is well defined in the law of god that it
is a person. I don't understand why
pro-choice is so obsessed about the word
person anyways when a fetus looks exactly
like a baby,
exactly.
I do agree with the terms you use.
However, it is a potential baby... meaning
that it is, right now, a fetus. But
it's not a
baby.
At the time when most abortions take
place, the fetus does not look exactly
like a baby. That's a scary freaking baby
if they look identical!
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Posted: 05-08-07 20:46pm
_annabelle
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
_annabelle
wrote:
Critizin
wrote:
guest..... when a fetus is
not fully grown it has no feelings it has
no pain it is fact a parasite living off
you.... -_-
good day!
i'm sorry, but obviously you don't know
anything about babies, pregnancy, or
abortion. ask a doctor who has performed
an abortion and if they tell you the truth
they will tell you that when a
partial-birth abortion is preformed, the
baby does indeed scream and cry.
WHoah there doggy. it is clear that you are
the one who knows nothing about
abortions.
The abortion procedure you speak of is so
rare, it comprises less than 1% of all
abortions performed in america!! These
abortions are done only for fetal
deformity, or when the mother is going to
die.
Quote:
it does feel
pain. it does have emotions. this may be
hard for you to understand if you have
never been pregnant, but that 'fetus'
growing inside is a baby. not a parasite.
not an alien. look up pictures of aborted
'fetuses' and then try saying that it
isn't a baby. also, how can something
growing inside be a parasite/alien but
once it's been born it's a baby? that's
about as dumb as saying a flower just
sprouting isn't a flower until it's fully
grown.
There is something called viability, and
it's a concept that most pro-choicers
don't even understand. Early on, a fetus
has a tail, gills... can you call that
human? Early on, it has been physically
proven that a fetus does not feel
pain. DO you know why? It is because the
fetus' brain is not connected yet and so
it literally cannot feel pain!!
Born babies do not have the mental
capacity to smile and express - possibly
even feel - joy until several weeks old.
Quote:
in reply to
Jincks013: no, not everyone is able to
support a child, but having the baby and
giving it up for adoption is a much safer
choice than having it aborted.
Safer in what way? ABortion is safer for
the mother than birth, far far safer. You
are more likely to become infertile from
giving birth than you are from having an
abortion. Death rates are higher for
pregnancy than during an abortion.
Quote:
it's simple to
give up a baby for adoption. you can even
just drop it off at a police station and
they won't ask any questions. how easy is
that?
You are clearly a callous, emotional
woman. You clearly have never had to give
a child up for adoption.
Quote:
if someone just
doesn't want to go through the pregnancy
process, well they should learn to live
with it because abortion is not a nice
act.
No it isn't murder. Not by law, and not by
nature. A fetus is not a person. It is
human, but not a person.
Quote:
you are ending a
baby's life, and that it is not your right
to choose whether or not that baby should
live when it can't even speak for itself
yet.
It's not a baby. it's a
fetus.
yes...i know it isn't performed as often,
it was just one example i was giving. and
why should you end someone's life just
because of a deformity they have? they
still have the chance to live.
oh my...so ignorant. that 'tail' and
'gills' and not actually a tail and
gills. that 'tail' is the spine forming
and the 'gills' are folds of skin.
No they're Not.
The tail is a tail. It extends beyond the
hips. It is a full-fledged, real tail. it
shrinks and dissapears, but for a short
while, it is a real tail. Some children
are actually born with tails, and believe
me, it's not their spine.
The gills my friend, are also real. They
are not folds of skin. The gills end up
forming into our larynx.
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it most
definitely is not safer. more women
become infertile due to abortion than
those who become infertile due to birth.
Wrong. Go look up te statistics. Go ask
Jenn and I know she'll shape you up real
fast. Go ask carifairy, who actually works
with women who abort. She'll tell you the
real truth, not the fake, pro-life
propaganda lies.
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i know several
mothers with 3+ children [meaning they
didn't become infertile].
There are more women from second and third
world countries who have 10+ abortions and
then still give beith to 5 children. Guess
abortions don't make you infertile?
[quote] i also know of at least two ladies
who had just one abortion and have been
unable to bare children ever since.
abortion can also cause the woman having
the 'operation' to die...[/quot]
SO can childbirth in case you forgot.
Look, I'm not going to argue the real
facts. You need to go look up real facts
from non-pro-life sites. Get your facts
straight, come back, and then try to form
a coherent argument.
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no, i never have
had to do that and i would never want to.
but how is it more callous to give the
child up for adoption as opposed to
killing it?!
I didn't say it was callous to give it up
for adoption. I said you were
callous for saying that it is easier
than abortion.
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that makes no
sense. 'it is human, but not a person.'
a human is a person health question.
Please do not insult me.
Yes, they are different, by natural law
and by human law. I'm sorry you can't see
the difference.
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and it is not a
nice act. it used to be a law up until
sometime in the 70s (i think) that
abortion was illegal because it is not a
nice act.
Again, you are wrong. Jenn, I turn to you
to inform this ignorant girl about the
real world.
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but women were
having abortions in unclean places [such
as allies].
It's spelled alley. And yes they were, and
so making abortion accepted by the supreme
court saved their lives.
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so, the
government decided to legalize it because
women were doing it anyway and decided
that they should at least have it done
professionally and in a clean
environment.
It was legal, there were issues
surrounding the event of roe-v-wade that
you don't get.
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a baby is a
fetus/a fetus is a baby. it is a human
being.
You need to go back into the archives of
this site... pro-choice argued and won the
debate of fetus/baby/person months ago. it
is not a baby. It is not a person. it is
human, and it is a fetus.
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after just a few
weeks, you can hear it's heart
beat.
10 I believe. Many animals have heart
beats too. That doesn't make them humans.
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after two
months you can see the definite form of a
baby.
That's a scary freaking looking baby if
you think an 8 week old fetus looks like a
newborn!
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after three
months you can see it's gender. after
four-five months it is moving around in
the womb. have you ever been
pregnant...for more than just a few weeks?
Thank god no.
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have you ever
been far along enough that your tummy
protruded? by the way you talk about this
subject, i doubt it.
have you?
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if you have
been-then my mistake. and if you have
been and you had an abortion...that is
cold an heartless.
DOn't you dare insult my mother. Or
my fiancee's mother for that issue. Or any
woman who has aborted. You are not in
their shoes.
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if your mother
had aborted you, you would not be here
today.
Nope, I sure wouldn't. So?
I was a wanted pregnancy. I was planned.
DO you feel guilt because you were an
accident or something?
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but wait...if
forgot...before you were born you were
just a fetus.
Yes, I was. And?
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you weren't you.
you didn't matter. you were just a blob -
according to
scientists.
Yes, I was. I still don't see your
point...
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Posted: 05-08-07 21:24pm
Eiri
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
bre_anne
wrote:
okay you said its a human
not a person same thing health
question
No.
It's not.
Legally, the fetus is not a person.
Even following the laws of nature and not
man, the fetus is nothing like a
person.
It has a heart beat and the complete dna.
Just not fully developed. Just like a
child is not fully developed. A
child/infant/baby is a person no matter if
it's body is not fully developed. So why
deny the fetus?
it's all about the development stages but
a fetus is sure is a person. It may be not
define by the law of the us government but
it's just plain common sense it is and it
is well defined in the law of god that it
is a person. I don't understand why
pro-choice is so obsessed about the word
person anyways when a fetus looks exactly
like a baby,
exactly.
I do agree with the terms you use.
However, it is a potential baby... meaning
that it is, right now, a fetus. But
it's not a
baby.
At the time when most abortions take
place, the fetus does not look exactly
like a baby. That's a scary freaking baby
if they look
identical!
it has been said here before of women who
have aborted and then they get pregnant
and see the first ultrasound they have
felt pretty bad to think that was how
their fetus looked like when they aborted
it. Seems to happen often.
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Posted: 05-08-07 22:25pm
nightangel73
wrote:
it has been said here before of women who
have aborted and then they get pregnant
and see the first ultrasound they have
felt pretty bad to think that was how
their fetus looked like when they aborted
it. Seems to happen
often.
That is why education is soooo important;
so people know exactly what they are
doing.
Hey, how's the wedding planning going? I
guess that's why you're not posting as
much as schmucks like me.
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Posted: 05-09-07 08:09am
meblonde01
wrote:
it has been said here before of women who
have aborted and then they get pregnant
and see the first ultrasound they have
felt pretty bad to think that was how
their fetus looked like when they aborted
it. Seems to happen
often.
Said but not proven.. where is your proof
of this ridiculous statement?
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Posted: 05-09-07 22:16pm
Birch
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
it has been said here before of women who
have aborted and then they get pregnant
and see the first ultrasound they have
felt pretty bad to think that was how
their fetus looked like when they aborted
it. Seems to happen
often.
That is why education is soooo important;
so people know exactly what they are
doing.
Hey, how's the wedding planning going? I
guess that's why you're not posting as
much as schmucks like me.
wedding is set to october 26 And i pretty much
have it all except for the dress and the
cake. I just hired this monday the band
(so no boring dj's) the other day and very
happy to say i will have salsa live
performance at my wedding (100%
puertorican) I think all my
american friends, my fiance's family will
have a ball with that music. But what has
kept me busy here is that i just moved a
couple weeks ago. I bought my dream house
so all this moving going on. So much to do
in the house yet. So I have to say I will
be pretty set by the wedding with nice
house and everything. Guess that is one
good thing of marrying in the 30's, not
knowing what is like to get married and
live in a shag because of lack of money.
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Posted: 05-10-07 06:22am
Jincks013
wrote:
meblonde01
wrote:
it has been said here before of women who
have aborted and then they get pregnant
and see the first ultrasound they have
felt pretty bad to think that was how
their fetus looked like when they aborted
it. Seems to happen
often.
Said but not proven.. where is your proof
of this ridiculous
statement?
you are mixed up I did not write that..
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Posted: 05-10-07 08:16am
nightangel73
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
it has been said here before of women who
have aborted and then they get pregnant
and see the first ultrasound they have
felt pretty bad to think that was how
their fetus looked like when they aborted
it. Seems to happen
often.
That is why education is soooo important;
so people know exactly what they are
doing.
Hey, how's the wedding planning going? I
guess that's why you're not posting as
much as schmucks like me.
wedding is set to october 26 And i pretty much
have it all except for the dress and the
cake. I just hired this monday the band
(so no boring dj's) the other day and very
happy to say i will have salsa live
performance at my wedding (100%
puertorican) I think all my
american friends, my fiance's family will
have a ball with that music. But what has
kept me busy here is that i just moved a
couple weeks ago. I bought my dream house
so all this moving going on. So much to do
in the house yet. So I have to say I will
be pretty set by the wedding with nice
house and everything. Guess that is one
good thing of marrying in the 30's, not
knowing what is like to get married and
live in a shag because of lack of money.
Oh, man, that does sound like a blast! A
live salsa band!!! I'm sure everyone will
have a great time!
No dress yet? Uh oh!
She said that 
And i pretty much
have it all except for the dress and the
cake. I just hired this monday the band
(so no boring dj's) the other day and very
happy to say i will have salsa live
performance at my wedding (100%
puertorican)