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Posted: 04-17-07 00:35am

Night angel, I went to 9 different doctors asking about tubal ligation, and noone would give me one. They did know that I was a health care professional, and they knew that I could not use hormones, and wished for a tubal.

AFTER i found a doctor to perform the tubal, I had a severe recurrence of crohns disease, and had to take steroids in order to calm the inflammation.

I could not have surgery while on oral steroids..obviously, as it lowers your immune system.

The doctor that performed my tubal ligation is the 'as needed' abortion provider that I work for, I work when staffing is a problem. Illnesses, or any other reason someone calls in sick.

The abortion provider I went to offers tubals to any woman of any age.
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Posted: 04-17-07 00:37am

Guest- I am college educated, and work in healthcare. Nursing is a very lucrative career, no matter where you work.

My husband also owns his business, so he brings home a large income as well.

I am paid as any other nursing professional is paid, well, because I worked hard to get where I am.
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Posted: 04-17-07 09:45am

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Carifairy wrote:
I think *any* reason is a good reason.

I am well off financially, have a great house, and wonderful husband, quote]

Well, I am not surprised you are well off financially, all women who have had abortions must pay a hefty fee for an abortion. Lots of profit to be had in abortions....


My thoughts entirely!


You're idiots. There are many poor women who have abortions.


I hardly think that calling someone an fool is the most appropriate way to make your point.

I'm sure that everyone who has ever had an abortion has come from every socio-economic group that you can think of. The fact of the matter is that it is still rather expensive to have the procedure performed!


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Posted: 04-17-07 11:24am

I've been pregnant twice while using birth control exactly as prescribed, some women do get unwanted pregnancies multiple times and it has nothing to do with not using contraception
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Posted: 04-17-07 11:28am

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I've been pregnant twice while using birth control exactly as prescribed, some women do get unwanted pregnancies multiple times and it has nothing to do with not using contraception

My best friend got pregnant with both of her children while on birth control. I just think that if it happens multiple times...not that there is anything wrong with that...that you might look to other forms of contraception.
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Posted: 04-17-07 12:41pm

Carifairy wrote:
I think *any* reason is a good reason.


I agree with this 100%. If one is pro-choice, then the reasons behind a decision to abort is completely irrelevant. I'm glad that somebody else is quite vocal on that point, too. This girl may be completely careless, and I don't rate her very high regarding organised characters, however I accept that the outcome of any and every pregnancy she has is her choice. You can't force her into utilising regular contraception.

If you don't mind me asking, Cari, why do you not actually want any children? I remember you once saying that if you found yourself pregnant again you wouldn't hesitate to seek another termination (for which I grant that you are completely opposed to childbearing) but why? I mean, let's suppose you discovered your pregnancy at seven months gestation, then what (OK, I know it's a highly unlikely situation but I'm just using it as an example)? Again, you seem quite open about things which is why I asked, but if I've crossed the 'too personal' line just say.

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Posted: 04-17-07 14:52pm

I have a wonderful life, I have the ultimate freedom to travel, volunteer, and do as I please.(well, we please, because I am married)

Having children requires certain sacrifices, and certain life changes, these changes are unacceptable to me.

I would not find out at 7 months, I knew I was pregnant before the test said +.

I would have a later term aboriton if necessary, but I would find out before hand.
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Posted: 04-17-07 18:35pm

Carifairy wrote:
Night angel, I went to 9 different doctors asking about tubal ligation, and noone would give me one. They did know that I was a health care professional, and they knew that I could not use hormones, and wished for a tubal.

AFTER i found a doctor to perform the tubal, I had a severe recurrence of crohns disease, and had to take steroids in order to calm the inflammation.

I could not have surgery while on oral steroids..obviously, as it lowers your immune system.

The doctor that performed my tubal ligation is the 'as needed' abortion provider that I work for, I work when staffing is a problem. Illnesses, or any other reason someone calls in sick.

The abortion provider I went to offers tubals to any woman of any age.


wow. I think it is ridiculous that doctors deny tubal ligations.

I have a cousin of mine with chrohns and she too have a tubal because she can't take bc pills. She is got 3 kids and she says her chrowns always dissapeared with every pregnancy. So you can imagine she was ultra happy with this pregnancy side effect. Anyways i'm sorry to hear about you having chrowns, that is an inmuno disease i really feel for people having it.
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Posted: 04-19-07 00:03am

I have had a tubal, had it when I was 25, fortunately my doctor was in full agreement that I should have it done. I wish it was a elective option for everyone who wanted one no matter how old they are or how many children they do / do not have.

"Contraception takes away responibility, not taking responsiblity for the resulting child leads to abortion "

Huh? Excuse you did not just type that for real did you? Contraception is taking responsibility for your own reproductive systems. Are you one of those people who thinks contraceptives encourage 'promiscuity'? I'll bet you are.. do you at least acknowlege pregnancy requires two participants? Are they both equally wrong in your eyes or does the girl/woman involved get more 'blame' for the pregnancy?
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Posted: 04-19-07 12:48pm

Carifairy wrote:
I have a wonderful life, I have the ultimate freedom to travel, volunteer, and do as I please.(well, we please, because I am married)

Having children requires certain sacrifices, and certain life changes, these changes are unacceptable to me.

I would not find out at 7 months, I knew I was pregnant before the test said +.

I would have a later term aboriton if necessary, but I would find out before hand.


Yes, I completely agree. I don't want children myself for pretty much the same reasons, although I also believe in the saying "Never say never", because people's feelings and circumstances do change.

Like I said before, I know it's highly unlikely that you would discover your pregnancy so late, but I'm just saying imagine if you were in that situation. Let's say you put on very little weight, you had spotting etc. and didn't suspect a thing, and an abortion for your circumstances weren't available - leaving the option to keep the baby or have it adopted - then which would you choose?

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Posted: 04-19-07 12:59pm

So those of you who are saying "any woman who doesn't want kids should just have a tubal" are advocating that a woman should have one form of surgery performed on her versus another-abortion. Tubal ligation does have negative health drawbacks. It is also an invasive process, just like abortion. This surgery is just not as simple as you would like to believe. Some patients have no side effects and some do. You cannot dictate what A.N.Y. woman should or should not do with her body, simply becuase of the fact that she happens to be a vessel for the unborn. If Men could get pregnant, do you honestly think they would allow the government to have control over their bodies? I don't think so. I love my children with all my heart and i had them on purpose. But, I do not want any more, and I would most certainly 100% have an abortion if I did become pregnant again. To have another baby would not only destroy my body, but my mind as well. Not to mention my financial security. Would you call me an inhumane murderer of children?
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Posted: 04-19-07 23:32pm

"any woman who doesn't want kids should just have a tubal"

Huh? I believe the point was that any woman who WISHED to would have access to having a tubal done. I distinctly do not recall saying every women who doesn't want kids should have a tubal.
Please use what was actually posted and not adlib it.

No one is dictating what any woman does with her body. I am saying it SHOULD be an option IF the a woman wants it regarless of age or reproductive status. Again.. lets not adlib please.

I am aware, as a voluntary recipient of a tubal what the risks involved in the proceedure were; and IMO it was well worth it. Why should I take pills, slap on patches, get shots, insert foreign objects into my body to make anyone happy?

Again.. I simply wish all women who w-a-n-t-e-d one could get a tubal.
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Posted: 04-20-07 06:02am

sillyakchick wrote:
Would you call me an inhumane not a nice person of children?


definetly inhumanae. I don't see how come a child can destroy anyone's life.
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Posted: 04-20-07 12:49pm

nightangel73 wrote:
sillyakchick wrote:
Would you call me an inhumane not a nice person of children?


definetly inhumanae. I don't see how come a child can destroy anyone's life.


it is not a child, and you have obviously never been unexpectedly pregnant, a teen, and in highschool, with strict conservative parents who would disown you for being pregnant outside of marriage.
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Posted: 04-20-07 15:52pm

Eiri wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
sillyakchick wrote:
Would you call me an inhumane not a nice person of children?


definetly inhumanae. I don't see how come a child can destroy anyone's life.


it is not a child, and you have obviously never been unexpectedly pregnant, a teen, and in highschool, with strict conservative parents who would disown you for being pregnant outside of marriage.


Reinforcing stereotypes,although I'm sure that was not your intent, is not a positive. It would probably be better to say, 'You have never been a woman with an unwanted pregnancy to deal with'.

No woman needs to justify her abortion.
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Posted: 04-20-07 15:55pm

nightangel73 wrote:
sillyakchick wrote:
Would you call me an inhumane not a nice person of children?


definetly inhumanae. I don't see how come a child can destroy anyone's life.


Ask Andrea Yates that. And any other woman who has suffered from post-partum psychosis.
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Posted: 04-20-07 15:56pm

Birch wrote:
Eiri wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
sillyakchick wrote:
Would you call me an inhumane not a nice person of children?


definetly inhumanae. I don't see how come a child can destroy anyone's life.


it is not a child, and you have obviously never been unexpectedly pregnant, a teen, and in highschool, with strict conservative parents who would disown you for being pregnant outside of marriage.


Reinforcing stereotypes,although I'm sure that was not your intent, is not a positive. It would probably be better to say, 'You have never been a woman with an unwanted pregnancy to deal with'.

No woman needs to justify her abortion.


You know what? I don't care what you think. I am sick of people complaining about "stereotypes". They freaking come from somewhere. I hate "political correctness" too.

If pregnant teens could prove through their actions that they were not what the stereotype classifies them as, then I wouldn't use them. But I've known pregnant teens.

Secondly, I think abortion is even more needed and appropriate for teens. So, deal with what I said, stop fighting within our own ranks, and move on.
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Posted: 04-20-07 16:09pm

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You know what? I don't care what you think. I am sick of people complaining about "stereotypes". They freaking come from somewhere. I hate "political correctness" too.

If pregnant teens could prove through their actions that they were not what the stereotype classifies them as, then I wouldn't use them. But I've known pregnant teens.

Secondly, I think abortion is even more needed and appropriate for teens. So, deal with what I said, stop fighting within our own ranks, and move on.


Dude, quit taking it personally when someone disagrees. It's not about you.

Solidarity in the prochoice mvt does not exist. There are many differing opinions. I'm only pointing out that many different types of women get abortions; not just teenagers. Wouldn't you want someone who is prolife to acknowledge this?

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Posted: 04-20-07 16:15pm

pro-life believes that only murderers have abortion. You know why I mention teens? I'm trying to gain pro-life sympathy. I need pro-life to see the face of the woman they are condemning.
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Posted: 04-20-07 16:31pm

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pro-life believes that only murderers have abortion. You know why I mention teens? I'm trying to gain pro-life sympathy. I need pro-life to see the face of the woman they are condemning.


Really? I thought you mentioned teens because they [paraphrase] "are what the stereotype classifies them as".

Quit caring about what I think. Wink
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