Carifairy
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Posted: 04-17-07 00:35am
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Night angel, I went to 9 different doctors
asking about tubal ligation, and noone
would give me one. They did know that I
was a health care professional, and they
knew that I could not use hormones, and
wished for a tubal.
AFTER i found a doctor to perform the
tubal, I had a severe recurrence of crohns
disease, and had to take steroids in order
to calm the inflammation.
I could not have surgery while on oral
steroids..obviously, as it lowers your
immune system.
The doctor that performed my tubal
ligation is the 'as needed' abortion
provider that I work for, I work when
staffing is a problem. Illnesses, or any
other reason someone calls in sick.
The abortion provider I went to offers
tubals to any woman of any age.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 04-17-07 00:37am
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Guest- I am college educated, and work in
healthcare. Nursing is a very lucrative
career, no matter where you work.
My husband also owns his business, so he
brings home a large income as well.
I am paid as any other nursing
professional is paid, well, because I
worked hard to get where I am.
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*star*
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Posted: 04-17-07 09:45am
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| Eiri
wrote: | | barbdwyer
wrote: | | Carifairy
wrote: | I think *any* reason is a
good reason.
I am well off financially, have a great
house, and wonderful husband, quote]
Well, I am not surprised you are well off
financially, all women who have had
abortions must pay a hefty fee for an
abortion. Lots of profit to be had in
abortions.... |
My thoughts
entirely! |
You're idiots. There are many poor women
who have
abortions. |
I hardly think that calling someone an
fool is the most appropriate way to make
your point.
I'm sure that everyone who has ever had an
abortion has come from every
socio-economic group that you can think
of. The fact of the matter is that it is
still rather expensive to have the
procedure performed!
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Moo
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Posted: 04-17-07 11:24am
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I've been pregnant twice while using birth
control exactly as prescribed, some women
do get unwanted pregnancies multiple times
and it has nothing to do with not using
contraception
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Posted: 04-17-07 11:28am
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| Moo
wrote: | | I've been pregnant twice
while using birth control exactly as
prescribed, some women do get unwanted
pregnancies multiple times and it has
nothing to do with not using
contraception |
My best friend got pregnant with both of
her children while on birth control. I
just think that if it happens multiple
times...not that there is anything wrong
with that...that you might look to other
forms of contraception.
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Kypros
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Posted: 04-17-07 12:41pm
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| Carifairy
wrote: | | I think *any* reason is a
good reason. |
I agree with this 100%. If one is
pro-choice, then the reasons
behind a decision to abort is completely
irrelevant. I'm glad that somebody else is
quite vocal on that point, too. This girl
may be completely careless, and I don't
rate her very high regarding organised
characters, however I accept that the
outcome of any and every pregnancy she has
is her choice. You can't force
her into utilising regular contraception.
If you don't mind me asking, Cari, why do
you not actually want any children? I
remember you once saying that if you found
yourself pregnant again you wouldn't
hesitate to seek another termination (for
which I grant that you are completely
opposed to childbearing) but why? I mean,
let's suppose you discovered your
pregnancy at seven months gestation, then
what (OK, I know it's a highly unlikely
situation but I'm just using it as an
example)? Again, you seem quite open about
things which is why I asked, but if I've
crossed the 'too personal' line just say.
Kypros.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 04-17-07 14:52pm
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I have a wonderful life, I have the
ultimate freedom to travel, volunteer, and
do as I please.(well, we please, because I
am married)
Having children requires certain
sacrifices, and certain life changes,
these changes are unacceptable to me.
I would not find out at 7 months, I knew I
was pregnant before the test said +.
I would have a later term aboriton if
necessary, but I would find out before
hand.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 04-17-07 18:35pm
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| Carifairy
wrote: | Night angel, I went to 9
different doctors asking about tubal
ligation, and noone would give me one.
They did know that I was a health care
professional, and they knew that I could
not use hormones, and wished for a tubal.
AFTER i found a doctor to perform the
tubal, I had a severe recurrence of crohns
disease, and had to take steroids in order
to calm the inflammation.
I could not have surgery while on oral
steroids..obviously, as it lowers your
immune system.
The doctor that performed my tubal
ligation is the 'as needed' abortion
provider that I work for, I work when
staffing is a problem. Illnesses, or any
other reason someone calls in sick.
The abortion provider I went to offers
tubals to any woman of any
age. |
wow. I think it is ridiculous that doctors
deny tubal ligations.
I have a cousin of mine with chrohns and
she too have a tubal because she can't
take bc pills. She is got 3 kids and she
says her chrowns always dissapeared with
every pregnancy. So you can imagine she
was ultra happy with this pregnancy side
effect. Anyways i'm sorry to hear about
you having chrowns, that is an inmuno
disease i really feel for people having
it.
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Jincks013
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Posted: 04-19-07 00:03am
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I have had a tubal, had it when I was 25,
fortunately my doctor was in full
agreement that I should have it done. I
wish it was a elective option for everyone
who wanted one no matter how old they are
or how many children they do / do not
have.
"Contraception takes away responibility,
not taking responsiblity for the resulting
child leads to abortion "
Huh? Excuse you did not just type that for
real did you? Contraception is taking
responsibility for your own reproductive
systems. Are you one of those people who
thinks contraceptives encourage
'promiscuity'? I'll bet you are.. do you
at least acknowlege pregnancy requires two
participants? Are they both equally wrong
in your eyes or does the girl/woman
involved get more 'blame' for the
pregnancy?
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Kypros
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Posted: 04-19-07 12:48pm
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| Carifairy
wrote: | I have a wonderful life, I
have the ultimate freedom to travel,
volunteer, and do as I please.(well, we
please, because I am married)
Having children requires certain
sacrifices, and certain life changes,
these changes are unacceptable to me.
I would not find out at 7 months, I knew I
was pregnant before the test said +.
I would have a later term aboriton if
necessary, but I would find out before
hand. |
Yes, I completely agree. I don't want
children myself for pretty much the same
reasons, although I also believe in the
saying "Never say never", because people's
feelings and circumstances do change.
Like I said before, I know it's highly
unlikely that you would discover your
pregnancy so late, but I'm just saying
imagine if you were in that
situation. Let's say you put on very
little weight, you had spotting etc. and
didn't suspect a thing, and an abortion
for your circumstances weren't available -
leaving the option to keep the baby or
have it adopted - then which would you
choose?
Kypros.
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 04-19-07 12:59pm
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So those of you who are saying "any woman
who doesn't want kids should just have a
tubal" are advocating that a woman should
have one form of surgery performed on her
versus another-abortion. Tubal ligation
does have negative health drawbacks. It
is also an invasive process, just like
abortion. This surgery is just not as
simple as you would like to believe. Some
patients have no side effects and some do.
You cannot dictate what A.N.Y. woman
should or should not do with her body,
simply becuase of the fact that she
happens to be a vessel for the unborn.
If Men could get pregnant, do you honestly
think they would allow the government to
have control over their bodies? I don't
think so. I love my children with all my
heart and i had them on purpose. But, I
do not want any more, and I would most
certainly 100% have an abortion if I did
become pregnant again. To have another
baby would not only destroy my body, but
my mind as well. Not to mention my
financial security. Would you call me an
inhumane murderer of children?
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Jincks013
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Posted: 04-19-07 23:32pm
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"any woman who doesn't want kids should
just have a tubal"
Huh? I believe the point was that any
woman who WISHED to would have access to
having a tubal done. I distinctly do not
recall saying every women who doesn't want
kids should have a tubal.
Please use what was actually posted and
not adlib it.
No one is dictating what any woman does
with her body. I am saying it SHOULD be an
option IF the a woman wants it regarless
of age or reproductive status. Again..
lets not adlib please.
I am aware, as a voluntary recipient of a
tubal what the risks involved in the
proceedure were; and IMO it was well worth
it. Why should I take pills, slap on
patches, get shots, insert foreign objects
into my body to make anyone happy?
Again.. I simply wish all women who
w-a-n-t-e-d one could get a tubal.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 04-20-07 06:02am
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| sillyakchick
wrote: | | Would you call me an
inhumane not a nice person of
children? |
definetly inhumanae. I don't see how come
a child can destroy anyone's life.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 04-20-07 12:49pm
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | sillyakchick
wrote: | | Would you call me an
inhumane not a nice person of
children? |
definetly inhumanae. I don't see how come
a child can destroy anyone's
life. |
it is not a child, and you have obviously
never been unexpectedly pregnant, a teen,
and in highschool, with strict
conservative parents who would disown you
for being pregnant outside of marriage.
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Birch
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Posted: 04-20-07 15:52pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | sillyakchick
wrote: | | Would you call me an
inhumane not a nice person of
children? |
definetly inhumanae. I don't see how come
a child can destroy anyone's
life. |
it is not a child, and you have obviously
never been unexpectedly pregnant, a teen,
and in highschool, with strict
conservative parents who would disown you
for being pregnant outside of
marriage. |
Reinforcing stereotypes,although I'm sure
that was not your intent, is not a
positive. It would probably be better to
say, 'You have never been a woman with an
unwanted pregnancy to deal with'.
No woman needs to justify her abortion.
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 04-20-07 15:55pm
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | sillyakchick
wrote: | | Would you call me an
inhumane not a nice person of
children? |
definetly inhumanae. I don't see how come
a child can destroy anyone's
life. |
Ask Andrea Yates that. And any other
woman who has suffered from post-partum
psychosis.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 04-20-07 15:56pm
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| Birch
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | sillyakchick
wrote: | | Would you call me an
inhumane not a nice person of
children? |
definetly inhumanae. I don't see how come
a child can destroy anyone's
life. |
it is not a child, and you have obviously
never been unexpectedly pregnant, a teen,
and in highschool, with strict
conservative parents who would disown you
for being pregnant outside of
marriage. |
Reinforcing stereotypes,although I'm sure
that was not your intent, is not a
positive. It would probably be better to
say, 'You have never been a woman with an
unwanted pregnancy to deal with'.
No woman needs to justify her
abortion. |
You know what? I don't care what you
think. I am sick of people complaining
about "stereotypes". They freaking come
from somewhere. I hate "political
correctness" too.
If pregnant teens could prove through
their actions that they were not what the
stereotype classifies them as, then I
wouldn't use them. But I've known pregnant
teens.
Secondly, I think abortion is even more
needed and appropriate for teens. So, deal
with what I said, stop fighting within our
own ranks, and move on.
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Birch
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Posted: 04-20-07 16:09pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | You know what? I don't care
what you think. I am sick of people
complaining about "stereotypes". They
freaking come from somewhere. I hate
"political correctness" too.
If pregnant teens could prove through
their actions that they were not what the
stereotype classifies them as, then I
wouldn't use them. But I've known pregnant
teens.
Secondly, I think abortion is even more
needed and appropriate for teens. So, deal
with what I said, stop fighting within our
own ranks, and move
on. |
Dude, quit taking it personally when
someone disagrees. It's not about you.
Solidarity in the prochoice mvt does not
exist. There are many differing opinions.
I'm only pointing out that many different
types of women get abortions; not just
teenagers. Wouldn't you want someone who
is prolife to acknowledge this?

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Tylanas
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Posted: 04-20-07 16:15pm
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pro-life believes that only murderers
have abortion. You know why I mention
teens? I'm trying to gain pro-life
sympathy. I need pro-life to see the face
of the woman they are condemning.
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Birch
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Posted: 04-20-07 16:31pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | pro-life believes that only
murderers have abortion. You
know why I mention teens? I'm trying to
gain pro-life sympathy. I need pro-life to
see the face of the woman they are
condemning. |
Really? I thought you mentioned teens
because they [paraphrase] "are what the
stereotype classifies them as".
Quit caring about what I think. 
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