I have often heard pro choice people say
"nobody wants to have an abortion but
sometimes its the best thing to do"
Quote: "Men do not differ much about what
things they will call evils; they differ
enormously about what evils they will call
excusable."
I have often heard that Calling the unborn
fetus a "human being" is over simplistic
that all sorts of different things need to
be taken into account
Quote: ""To the humble man, and to the
humble man alone, the sun is really a sun;
to the humble man, and to the humble man
alone, the sea is really a sea."
Quote: "Art, like morality, consists of
drawing the line somewhere."
I have heard it said that Abortion is
required to ensure Reproductive freedom
for women.
Quote: "Most modern freedom is at root
fear. It is not so much that we are too
bold to endure rules; it is rather that we
are too timid to endure responsibilities."
I have also heard it said that to take the
pro life possition you have to be
uneducated
Quote: "The purpose of Compulsory
Education is to deprive the common people
of their commonsense"
I have often heard it said that pro lifers
should not post religious peices in this
forum.
Quote: "Religious liberty might be
supposed to mean that everybody is free to
discuss religion. In practice it means
that hardly anybody is allowed to mention
it"
I have heard it said that to make abortion
ilegal would put us back in the dark
ages.
"Quote: "Over-civilization and barbarism
are within an inch of each other. And a
mark of both is the power of
medicine-men."
I have heard it said that Abortion is a
womans right
Quote: "To have a right to do a thing is
not at all the same as to be right in
doing it"
I have heard it said that Calling an
unborn Fetus a "baby" is an exageration.
that most abortion photographs are guilty
of the same thing
Quote: "All the exaggerations are right,
if they exaggerate the right thing"
I have heard it said that Abortion
pictures should not be posted on websites,
or carried at pro life demonstrations.
Quote: "Their is a road from the eye to
heart that does not go through the
intellect."
I have often heard it said, it is not the
right time for me to have a child, i could
not love the child as I should, I would
like to have a child at some point but not
now, I can always have a child at a later
date
Quote"When it comes to life the critical
thing is whether you take things for
granted or take them with gratitude."
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Re: a Few Interesting Quotes Posted: 04-19-07 20:23pm
Anonymous
wrote:
I have often heard pro
choice people say "nobody wants to have an
abortion but sometimes its the best thing
to do"
Quote: "Men do not differ much about what
things they will call evils; they differ
enormously about what evils they will call
excusable."
Men differ greatly in what they call evil.
That is because "morality" is grey. I
return you with a quote.
"There are precious few at ease with moral
ambiguities, so we act as though they
don't exist."
Quote:
I have often
heard that Calling the unborn fetus a
"human being" is over simplistic that all
sorts of different things need to be taken
into account
Quote: ""To the humble man, and to the
humble man alone, the sun is really a sun;
to the humble man, and to the humble man
alone, the sea is really a sea."
Calling a fetus a human being is too
simplistic. Why do you think things do not
need to be taken into consideration?
Believing the world is black and white is
the first step towards fearing the dark.
Only s/he who cannot see all of the world,
sees only the top of the water, calls it a
sea, and does not consider the ground
beneath it.
Quote:
Quote: "Art, like
morality, consists of drawing the line
somewhere."
I don't believe that art and morality can
be compared in such a way. If I toss pain
on a canvas, that is not a line.
Quote:
I have heard it
said that Abortion is required to ensure
Reproductive freedom for women.
Quote: "Most modern freedom is at root
fear. It is not so much that we are too
bold to endure rules; it is rather that we
are too timid to endure responsibilities."
I absolutely do not agree with that
quote.
My freedom has released me from fear. I
take responsibility for every action I
commit; and I feel power because of it.
it helps I'm not frightened of making a
mistake and having to pray to crazy god
and his son for forgiveness.
Quote:
I have also heard it said that to take the
pro life possition you have to be
uneducated
Quote: "The purpose of Compulsory
Education is to deprive the common people
of their
commonsense"
Common sense is not common any more. I
also don't see how an education deprives
you of common sense.
Quote:
I have often
heard it said that pro lifers should not
post religious peices in this forum.
Quote: "Religious liberty might be
supposed to mean that everybody is free to
discuss religion. In practice it means
that hardly anybody is allowed to mention
it"
They can post that crap all they want; but
you do not see scientists bringing up
evolution during sunday mass.
One does not yell "fire" in a theater.
And please. The nation of america is
majority christian; you can't tell me
you're not allowed to mention it when
church spires dot towns across the land,
bells ring out all day, you gather every
week to meet; your phrases are engrained
on our money and buildings and in a chant
children say every day before school. You
even try to use your religion to make our
laws. Oppressed? Hardly.
Quote:
I have heard it
said that to make abortion ilegal would
put us back in the dark ages.
"Quote: "Over-civilization and barbarism
are within an inch of each other. And a
mark of both is the power of
medicine-men."
What is over-civilization, by your
definition? And what do you mean by
medicine-men? I'm sorry but I'm not just
going to let you quote random crap, you're
going to have to tell me what you think it
means and why you think it's appropriate.
You're going to have to think for
yourself.
Quote:
I have heard it
said that Abortion is a womans right
Quote: "To have a right to do a thing is
not at all the same as to be right in
doing it"
What this quote says is that sometimes you
can be right in doing something, but
sometimes you can be wrong; but in the
end, you still have the right.
The right to do something is far more
important that your reasons for doing it.
Quote:
I have heard it
said that Calling an unborn Fetus a "baby"
is an exageration. that most abortion
photographs are guilty of the same
thing
What photos are you looking at?
Quote:
Quote: "All the
exaggerations are right, if they
exaggerate the right
thing"
Absolutely a lie.
Quote:
I have heard it
said that Abortion pictures should not be
posted on websites, or carried at pro life
demonstrations.
Quote: "Their is a road from the eye to
heart that does not go through the
intellect."
Only for dumb, impressionable people.
Yes, a picture is worth a thousand words;
that is why images need to be used
responsibly.
Quote:
I have often
heard it said, it is not the right time
for me to have a child, i could not love
the child as I should, I would like to
have a child at some point but not now, I
can always have a child at a later date
Quote"When it comes to life the critical
thing is whether you take things for
granted or take them with
gratitude."
Only according to whoever made that quote.
Many other people have a different
opinion.
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So Sorry Posted: 04-19-07 20:24pm
That second guest post is me, Eiri.
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To the recurrent "Guest" poster, why not
choose a name and post under it? It's kind
of hard to take a guest nick seriously
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Posted: 04-20-07 15:58pm
It would be good of you to attribute these
quotes. But you're not really interested
in names, eh?
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Birch
wrote:
It would be good of you to
attribute these quotes. But you're not
really interested in names, eh?
Would have been nice, right? I can source
all of mine! lol
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Re: a Few Interesting Quotes Posted: 05-04-07 12:55pm
Anonymous
wrote:
I have often heard pro
choice people say "nobody wants to have an
abortion but sometimes its the best thing
to do"
Quote: "Men do not differ much about what
things they will call evils; they differ
enormously about what evils they will call
excusable."
I have often heard that Calling the unborn
fetus a "human being" is over simplistic
that all sorts of different things need to
be taken into account
Quote: ""To the humble man, and to the
humble man alone, the sun is really a sun;
to the humble man, and to the humble man
alone, the sea is really a sea."
Quote: "Art, like morality, consists of
drawing the line somewhere."
I have heard it said that Abortion is
required to ensure Reproductive freedom
for women.
Quote: "Most modern freedom is at root
fear. It is not so much that we are too
bold to endure rules; it is rather that we
are too timid to endure responsibilities."
I have also heard it said that to take the
pro life possition you have to be
uneducated
Quote: "The purpose of Compulsory
Education is to deprive the common people
of their commonsense"
I have often heard it said that pro lifers
should not post religious peices in this
forum.
Quote: "Religious liberty might be
supposed to mean that everybody is free to
discuss religion. In practice it means
that hardly anybody is allowed to mention
it"
I have heard it said that to make abortion
ilegal would put us back in the dark
ages.
"Quote: "Over-civilization and barbarism
are within an inch of each other. And a
mark of both is the power of
medicine-men."
I have heard it said that Abortion is a
womans right
Quote: "To have a right to do a thing is
not at all the same as to be right in
doing it"
I have heard it said that Calling an
unborn Fetus a "baby" is an exageration.
that most abortion photographs are guilty
of the same thing
Quote: "All the exaggerations are right,
if they exaggerate the right thing"
I have heard it said that Abortion
pictures should not be posted on websites,
or carried at pro life demonstrations.
Quote: "Their is a road from the eye to
heart that does not go through the
intellect."
I have often heard it said, it is not the
right time for me to have a child, i could
not love the child as I should, I would
like to have a child at some point but not
now, I can always have a child at a later
date
Quote"When it comes to life the critical
thing is whether you take things for
granted or take them with
gratitude."
I agree with Eiri on most of the things
she said in response to Guest; although I
completely support the right of pro-lifers
to use pictures of aborted foetuses to
back their beliefs, otherwise I would be a
proponent of bias and lop-sided views
being held up by spin doctors. Pictures do
speak a thousand words, and its the
listener who chooses how to act on them;
personally, if I saw pictures of
terminated foetuses with the big letters
'murder' underneath, I wouldn't
be affected to change my view, largely
because I know that abortion isn't a
particularly nice thing to watch and I
know that the foetus is going
to look a mess. How others may feel about
it is not my business and it's their
choice.
Kypros.
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excellent! Name or no name!!
all quotes are from GK Chesterton AKA "the
apostle of common sense"
He is often a very hard, but always a good
read.
I reckomend his book "whats wrong with the
world"
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Posted: 05-06-07 18:05pm
"Believing the world is black and white is
the first step towards fearing the dark."
I offer you two quotes one I make up
myself and the 2nd Is realted to mine and
is again by GK Chesterton
1. Believing the world is not black and
white means you are already in the dark.
2. Morality is never black and white to a
man without principles.
"Common sense is not common any more. I
also don't see how an education deprives
you of common sense. "
interesting you should say that common
sense is not common anymore in a society
where compulsory education is common
place.... I suppose your retort actually
proves GK Chestertons prediction he made
back in victorian England rather than
disproves it.
"One does not yell "fire" in a theater"
Unless..... there is a fire!
"you're going to have to tell me what you
think it means and why you think it's
appropriate. You're going to have to think
for yourself. "
the fact that you fail to realise its
meaning and want me to tell you means that
I realies it is appropriate thus shows I
have thought about it for myself, it is
you who does not want to think for
herself.
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Posted: 05-06-07 20:57pm
Gu£st
wrote:
excellent! Name or no
name!!
all quotes are from GK Chesterton AKA "the
apostle of common sense"
He is often a very hard, but always a good
read.
I reckomend his book "whats wrong with the
world"
Oh, so that would explain the overly
misogynist language.
Quote:
"The purpose of Compulsory Education is to
deprive the common people of their
commonsense"
Really? You think Chesterton got this
nugget right?
Quote"When it comes to life the
critical thing is whether you take things
for granted or take them with
gratitude."
I am so grateful I can have an abortion.
I do not take if for granted.
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I have found through my life that
believing in only one thing (ie black and
white morality) is never the right answer.
What is "right" in one case may be
absolutely wrong in another case. However,
if you believe in black and white, you
have to do something wrong in order to
maintain that belief, by never
compromising how you react.
A black and white believer cannot open
their mind. They cannot learn. They cannot
grow. They can only believe what they have
been taught as correct. They may feel a
disconnect inside, because part of them
knows that life - nature itself - is not
black and white. Yet their human religion
tell them how to behave... even thought
they know it is wrong.
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"One of the most eloquent symptoms of the
moral bankruptcy of today's culture, is a
certain fashionable attitude toward moral
issues, best summarized as: "There are no
blacks and whites; there are only grays."
This is asserted in regard to persons,
actions, principles of conduct, and
morality in general. "Black and white,"
in this context, means "good and evil."
(The reverse order used in that catch
phrase is interesting psychologically.)
In any respect one cares to examine, that
notion is full of contradictions (foremost
among them is the fallacy of "the stolen
concept"). If there is no black and
white, there can be no gray -- since gray
is merely a mixture of the two.
Before anyone can identify anything as
"gray," one has to know what is black and
what is white. In the field of morality,
this means that one must first identify
what is good and what is evil. And when a
man has ascertained that one alternative
is good and the other is evil, he has no
justification for choosing a mixture.
There can be no justification for choosing
any part of that which one knows to be
evil. "
- Ann Rynd (The Cult of Moral Grayness)
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You do not have to know what black and
white are to see grey. We all start out
seeing grey; we are taught
to only see in black and white.
I have found through my life
that believing in only one thing (ie black
and white morality) is never the right
answer.
What is "right" in one case may be
absolutely wrong in another case. However,
if you believe in black and white, you
have to do something wrong in order to
maintain that belief, by never
compromising how you react.
A black and white believer cannot open
their mind. They cannot learn. They cannot
grow. They can only believe what they have
been taught as correct. They may feel a
disconnect inside, because part of them
knows that life - nature itself - is not
black and white. Yet their human religion
tell them how to behave... even thought
they know it is
wrong.
I have to disagree with that on a large
scale. I consider myself to be a black and
white (or absolute) theorist - it really
does depend on the issue raised: for
example I don't believe there is a grey
area when it comes to the abortion debate,
for many factors; firstly, I think that
either a woman has the right to control
her body or she doesn't, simple as that.
Why should she have the right to abort in
x case but not in y? An abortion is the
same act, be it because one was raped, has
economic problems, or simply does not
desire to procreate. This is why I believe
that abortion most definitely is not a
circumstancial issue, like many people opt
to think. Foetuses are not legally
protected and are not identified as
persons, therefore under no circumstances
should their 'rights' (in inverted commas
because they don't actually have any)
override those of a woman. Full stop.
Although I can't think off the top of my
head, there are certain issues which are
grey; I am an individualist libertarian,
and I believe that the basic rights of any
human being which should not be interfered
with by the Government are those which
concern his/her personal property, i.e.
materialistic things (house, belongings
etc.) and natural things (body).
Kypros.
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Posted: 05-07-07 13:25pm
Kypros
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
I have found through my life
that believing in only one thing (ie black
and white morality) is never the right
answer.
What is "right" in one case may be
absolutely wrong in another case. However,
if you believe in black and white, you
have to do something wrong in order to
maintain that belief, by never
compromising how you react.
A black and white believer cannot open
their mind. They cannot learn. They cannot
grow. They can only believe what they have
been taught as correct. They may feel a
disconnect inside, because part of them
knows that life - nature itself - is not
black and white. Yet their human religion
tell them how to behave... even thought
they know it is
wrong.
I have to disagree with that on a large
scale. I consider myself to be a black and
white (or absolute) theorist - it really
does depend on the issue raised: for
example I don't believe there is a grey
area when it comes to the abortion debate,
for many factors; firstly, I think that
either a woman has the right to control
her body or she doesn't, simple as that.
Why should she have the right to abort in
x case but not in
y?
Not being able to understand the pro-life
part of the argument is as bad as them not
understanding us. I am sorry, but as much
as I believe it is the woman's choice, a
place where abortion is not good is when
the fetus is healthy, the mother is
healthy and not insane, there is money and
absolutely no reason no reason to abort,
and she is 7 months in. I am pro-choice,
but that is definately what I would
consider a "bad" abortion.
Quote:
An abortion is
the same act, be it because one was raped,
has economic problems, or simply does not
desire to procreate. This is why I believe
that abortion most definitely is not a
circumstancial issue, like many people opt
to think. Foetuses are not legally
protected and are not identified as
persons, therefore under no circumstances
should their 'rights' (in inverted commas
because they don't actually have any)
override those of a woman. Full stop.
Although I can't think off the top of my
head, there are certain issues which are
grey; I am an individualist libertarian,
and I believe that the basic rights of any
human being which should not be interfered
with by the Government are those which
concern his/her personal property, i.e.
materialistic things (house, belongings
etc.) and natural things (body).
Kypros.
Other grey issues: take all the coccaine
you want... until you cause death or
injury to someone else. Driving fast...
until you cause death or injury. These are
civil liberties, you have the right to do
them... until they cause harm.
I believe everything is
circumstantial.
Shooting an 8 year old in the face: bad,
normally. But if that child has a gun
aimed at you in a war zone...
I think two peices of literature that
really illustrate my point are Wicked, and
Les Miserables. In Wicked, "good
intentions" end up causing great harm. In
Les Miserables, a man does something "bad"
simply to feed his family, and is punished
because technically, according to law,
stealing is bad.
