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tomseys
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My Energy Problems And Hypoglycemia
Posted: 04-21-07 06:58am
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Hello. I'm a 40 year old male and have
been struggling for as long as I can
remember with energy problems and I guess,
based on descriptions I've read -
hypoglycemia. Doctors find nothing unusual
with me though I think they believe I'm
somewhat of a hypocondriac which I can
understand from their point of view.
I seem to have two main problems. The
first is an energy problem - where I will
eat food and feel crushing exhaustion
within about 10-15 minutes. I can feel it
coming on after eating. It's not a good
exhaustion - it feels horrible. I can wake
up feeling great with lots of energy and
eat and within minutes it all "flips". It
doesn't seem to be hypoglycemia cause
there is no shaking or other symptoms of
hypoglycemia - more like a case of instant
chronic fatigue - it takes about 6 hours
to lift completely. It seems to come from
certain kinds of carbs though any kind of
carb can set if off if the quantity is
sufficient.
With this energy problem, it seems the
worst offenders for me are grains and some
non grains like - Quinoa, buckwheat,
oatmeal and wheat. I originally thought
the problem could be gluten (wheat, rye,
barley oats) but I got tested and was
clear and like I said, some of the worst
reactions were from non gluten grains.
Potatoes generally don't give me this
effect unless I have like say three
potatoes - then I will start to slide. But
if I have one potato I am ok. Yuca (a root
vegetable like potato) is the same. No
exhaustion unless I overindulge - which I
usually don't. To compare, even 1/5 of a
cup of oatmeal or even a few tablespoons
of quinoa will bring extreme and
inappropriate fatgiue. I find rice
extremely constipating so I avoid it
though it behaves like potatoes energy
wise.
I suspect with these grainy things that
the fatigue I get from them has something
to do with their starch makeup or because
the starch is fragmented into pieces as
opposed to any protein based allergy
because the effect is pretty fast and I
get it from unrelated grains and non
grains. What's funny is that potatoes are
high GI and don't "crash" me while
supposedly lower GI starches are horrible
for me. I have read that there is a
satiety index and potatoes rated higher
than any other food in terms of an ability
to satiate hunger. I wonder if there is
some sort of connection.
The other problem I have seems to come
from fructose. Certain fructose heavy
foods give me "hypoglycemia" within 20
minutes - a sweaty, shaky paniky feeling -
like exhaustion and wired anxiety at the
same time often followed in a half hour by
a ravenous hunger- not pleasant. The worst
offenders for me are beets, carrots, sweet
potatoes, bananas, dried fruits like dates
and honey - honey crashes me and gets me
shaking within minutes (maple syrup causes
me no problem compared to honey). Oranges
and apples seem to be not that bad if I
keep the amount small. It's an odd thing
because I can (but don't) drink soda with
high fructose corn syrup and get no bad
effect - it seems if there is a certain
percentage of other sugars (glucose,
sucrose) with fructose then it won't crash
me. I don't understand it.
Sucrose (table sugar) itself (which is
half fructose) gives me no bad reaction
even in a relatively large quanity (though
I generally avoid sugar). I have noticed
in the past that if I added it to the
oatmeal it made the oatmeal less crashy.
Also, I get less of a crash effect if I
eat something like oatmeal later in the
day (though it still brings on an
"inapproptiate" fatigue effect).
I've often wondered if the grainy things
like quinoa and buckwheat, oatmeal and
wheat had some relationship to fructose
because the initial fatigue is very
similar. The difference is the fructose
will morph into hypogycemia after the
initial fatigue and the grains/starches
just go into extended fatigue/exhaustion.
I've read about things called "fructans"
which are composed of fructose molecules I
think but I'm not sure if these grains are
composed of that.
I don't believe that I have any serious
herditary fructose intolerance because
this would have showed up on tests and I
would have damaged organs - maybe I have a
very mild version of it? Also, i can eat
things that have fructose with no bad
effects - the problem seems to be the way
the fructose is ratio'ed to other sugars -
glucose seems to be protective somehow.
Maybe the problem is high GI "fructose
foods"?
On a separate note - I am "allergic" to
dairy/soy (I was as a baby and both still
make me feel terrible generally) so I
avoid them pretty strictly. I also avoid
chocolate - it gives me instant
depression.
Because of these grainy and fructose
problems I have (and that I can't eat
dairy/soy) - I tend to avoid breakfast -
which I know is bad - but I feel good when
I don't eat compared to when I eat. In
fact, I feel very good when I don't eat
food for a while. I can definitely fast
for periods with no ill effect so I guess
I don't have any type of fasting
hypoglycemia.
I do have one cup of coffee in the morning
- it gives me a high - I know that is bad
too - but that's the extent of my caffeine
intake. I basically avoid sugar and
caffeine. I intend on quitting the coffee
totally tomorrow, which shouldn't be too
bad cause its just one cup. I have stayed
strictly caffeine free for long periods in
the past and I still suffer the above
effects so I can't blame the caffeine
though I do believe it does makes
everything generally worse.
What i would like to do, considering my
issues here, is devise some sort of
breakfast I could eat that won't make me
feel so horrible. Potatoes get old very
fast. Anyone have any suggestions? It is
breakfast that has always screwed me up -
that first meal. I don't want to eat
protein all the time - I tried a few high
protein diets (atkins, loren cordain,
paleo, life without bread) and they seem
to be fine at first but then I feel almost
as bad as when eating my "reactive carbs".
Probably because of the fruits. I wish
there was some middle ground.
Anyways, thanks for reading and for any
advice.
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sunlizard
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Posted: 04-21-07 11:52am
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Hi Tomsey
It sounds like your having a pretty crap
time!
Please please go and see a nutritionist.
You can read so much stuff on the internet
and people can advise you of so much that
in the end it just all turns into mixed
messages.
It sounds like HG, but to be honest it
sounds strange that you don't react to
table sugar! The rest of it sounds
familiar, except I wake up feeling awful
because my blood sugar is so low. I need
to eat every two to three hours or I turn
into a monster and mostly an hour after I
eat I have reactive HG - Rubbish eh?
All I'm saying is that you are unique and
therefore you owe it to yourself to find a
good fully qualified nutritionist to get a
unique diagnosis to find out for sure what
it is and how to treat it!
It may cost a bit - but you can't put a
price on good health!!!!

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tomseys
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Posted: 04-21-07 17:03pm
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Thank you sunlizard. Yeah I agree I should
see someone. I'm just a little stubborn -
I have had bad experiences. I should
research it and find someone good to work
with.
Regarding being able to fast - that's only
if I have nothing - no coffee or anything
- from the time I wake up - If I do eat
something early - especially a dense
complex carbohydrate or fruit, then I am
pretty much screwed up all day. What I end
up doing sometimes is hold off on eating
upon waking until as long as comfortable
(8 hours sometimes - thats when I will
start to get a natural hunger) and then
eat a medium sized meal usually with
refined food (avoiding my allergens -
dairy/soy).
I know that sounds bad but it actually
works better for me then trying to eat
something in the morning - at least the
way I've tried doing it. Maybe a better
strategy would be to eat very low carb in
the morning, go a little higher at lunch
and then dinner have the highest - but
overall keeping the carbs not too high.
Just wish I knew how potatoes and oatmeal
differ in carb content/structure to cause
such a different effect for me. Also I
wish I didnt have to be so concerned about
food - its definitey a drag and not a
pleasure for me.
Anyway, i think I will quit coffee this
week and then next week see a nutritionist
and try to work out something.
Thanks for listening and your advice!
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tomseys
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Posted: 04-21-07 19:18pm
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I've been reading a lot about all this
over the past few days and one thing I've
noticed with many of these foods - dates,
bananas, oatmeal etc that give me fatigue
is that they are high in tryptophan and
carbohydrate - which can make you sleepy
because the carbs stimulates insulin
release - which clears out amino acids
that compete for access to the brain,
allowing the trytophan to access the brain
where it is converted to serotonin and
melatonin. Maybe I am especially sensitive
to this and this is part of the issue. So
I guess eating more protein with its
various amino acids that include trytophan
combined with less insulin stimulating
foods would be better especailly in
morning and afternoon.
Regarding potatoes - they definitely spike
insulin but apparently don't have much in
the way of trytophan on their own so maybe
this is the difference for me in terms of
them vs oats. Apparently quinoa's level of
trytophan is high too. Maybe that is it.
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sunlizard
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Posted: 04-22-07 02:38am
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As far as I k now, carbs are made up of
single sugars linked together. The more
links and branches there are the more
complex it is then the slower it will
breakdown, which is what your aiming for
and I think that with that in mind the
reason why potatoes make you feel crap
(and me also) are because the chain of
sugars is very short, therefore if it
raises your blood sugar quickly it will
make it fall quickly with the over
production of insulin and that's what
causes your reactive HG!
My nutrionist is aiming at looking at my
overall well being as well and taylor
making a diet for me, which does not seem
that restrictive compared to what I
thought she was going to do to me. This
lets you "live" and socialise as well.
Still early days though, will keep you
posted as to how I'm doing.
She didn't just look at foods which effect
the HG, she looked at whether my other
organs are getting enough of what they
need so that they can support my HG. For
example, she things I have a sluggish
liver - that's why I have night sweats and
wake up alot - because my liver is
struggling to clean up my body at night.
she also looked at my adrenal glands which
are an important part of regulating
sugar.
I'm no nutritionist and certainly have no
qualifications, I can only tell you how I
feel, but apart from the knowledge you get
from a nutritionist, providing you click
with them, they need to be able to offer
you support as you many need it on the
road ahead!

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tomseys
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Posted: 04-22-07 05:32am
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Hi Sunlizard. I'm definitely going to look
into getting a nutritionist. Actually,
potatoes are generally ok for me - as is
believe it or not - soda (half glucose and
fructose) and sucrose (I avoid these
though - bad for teeth, health and
weight). Its certain complex carbohydrates
like oats, quinoa, wheat and buckwheat
that make me feel terrible (intense
exhaustion). I was thinking maybe its the
high trytophan content of these foods
coupled with the high carb content that
makes me feel bad. Also, bananas and dates
have high trytophan and high starch/sugar.
These are my two worse fruit food
reactions. It just seems that my worse
foods are high trytophan/carb
combinations. Foods that have the
tryptophan and the fuel to get it in the
brain. Looking into it further last night,
I am amazed by the consistency of this.
I guess one solution is to eat protein at
every meal and keep the carb content
relatively low and for me, avoid high
trytophan/high carb combos.
Of course I could be wrong on this but it
does seem to fit.
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Stan
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Posted: 04-22-07 13:32pm
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Very confusing. Certain aspects sound
like hypoglycemia, but there are many
things not making sense here. Drinking
pop while having trouble with beets? Very
odd, especially considering you can eat
potatoes, which are pretty much just as
awful as beets. Why do you think
tryptophan is causing a problem? That
wouldn't make any sense because it's a
natural sedative. In addition, if you're
eating protein with the foods you're
eating that have high levels of it,
nothing happens. You have to eat them on
an empty stomach with no protein for it to
have an effect.
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tomseys
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Posted: 04-22-07 14:39pm
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Hi Stan. Yeah I'm not really sure what's
going on. Definitely though naturally high
fructose foods give me hypoglycemia no
matter what I eat with them. I think it
depends on the percentage of fructose
relative to other sugars within the
specific food. Soda doesn't bother me -
even on empty stomach - I think maybe
because of the way it is processed. I've
read it (high fructose corn syrup) behaves
more like sucrose (wikipedia) - at least
the 45%-55% version. Sucrose doesn't
bother me - even though it is half
fructose. Maple syrup gives me no reaction
but honey feels like death. If I have
beets or carrots or honey or dates - i get
hypoglycemia pretty bad.
I was thinking along the lines of
trytophan in terms of maybe i have a
somewhat unique problem with it. For
example - potatoes on an empty stomach
with no protein doesn't bother me as long
as it is just one - but even a spoonful of
quinoa or oats brings on intense fatigue
even with a little protein. I don't know
if it is trytophan or the unique structre
of grain starch that causes it for me...
Just today I had a seltzer, a watercress
salad with lite tomatoes with olive oil,
lemon, and salt dressing, one pork chop
and some mixed vegetables (zuchiini and
carrots) and the carrots gave me fatigue
and hypoglycemia (mild) which I'm still
enduring now. Definitely fruits and
vegtables with a certain fructose profile
give me a kind of reactive hypoglycemia.
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Stan
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Posted: 04-22-07 14:42pm
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Are you sure you are actually experiencing
hypoglycemia? It sounds more like you may
have food sensitivities or allergies.
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tomseys
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Posted: 04-22-07 14:52pm
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I was thinking allergies for a while -
especially with grains until I discovered
quinoa (and buckwheat) - a non gluten
starch, gave me the very worst fatigue
effect. Regarding hypoglycemia, I get the
same exact effect from carrots, dates and
honey and I don't see how they are related
other than I think having high fructose
levels. Does anyone know the percentage of
fructose to total sugars in these
vegetables? Or what there exact sugar
makeup is? I'm also a little confused as
to the GI of these fructose foods - my
understanding was that these were all very
high but new studies show they are lower -
not accounting for GL. Seems certain
varieites can be very high.
I've read on mendoza that honey originally
tested very high (120+) but I saw on
glycemicindex.com ratings in the 50's and
60s.
About the fructose effect I have no doubt
- it brings on fatigue followed by a sort
of panic/hormone effect in my body - I get
sweaty and anxious - the only thing that I
find helpful is refraining from activity
and drinking cold water. Orange juice
helps a little too. It passes with time.
If it was one food I would think allergy
but its multiplie foods that have
something similar. I guess it could still
be an allergy.
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Stan
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Posted: 04-22-07 19:15pm
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Fructose problems but you're drinking
orange juice? This makes no sense. Have
you tried taking straight fructose to see
what happens? That would solve the
question real quick. You can purchase it
at the supermarket.
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tomseys
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Posted: 04-22-07 22:20pm
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Yeah I know that's why I was thinking it's
percentage of fructose in a single food vs
glucose or other sugars in that same food
that makes the difference. I've tried
cookies made with pure fructose and they
crashed me bad.
My understanding is that the principal
sugar in oranges is not fructose - but
sucrose/glucose.
htt
p://ginews.blogspot.com/2006/06/low-gi-foo
d-of-month.html
Sucrose/glucose doesn't bother me - though
sucrose does break down into half
fructose. I guess my body can handle the
breakdown fructose - but not when it is
presented in fructose form up front (in
the context of lacking other sugars like
glucose or sucrose)
It seems when a food has mostly fructose
as its sugar - I get hypoglycemia. Honey
kills me for example - it's majority sugar
is fructose (actually 38% fructose -
though I guess it depends). Maple syrup is
fine - that is mostly sucrose (89%).
Soda on the other hand has 45% glucose in
its high fructose corn syrup - and doesn't
bother me. My understanding is that high
fructose corn syrup is an artficial
creation and maybe it behaves differently
anyway in terms of the fructose in it.
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tomseys
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Posted: 04-22-07 22:32pm
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What's funny is that with regards to IBS
symptoms and fructose malabsorption (not
hereditary fructose intolerance), there is
a lot of talk about how a food with a high
percentage of fructose causes a lot of
problems for these people but when
combined with other sugars like glucose,
the effect is much less or hardly at all.
Its like I have the same thing but the
illness isnt irritable bowel syndrome -
but hypoglycemia.
http://en.wi
kipedia.org/wiki/Fructose_malabsorption
I doubt I have hereditary fructose
intolerance (which can cause
hypoglycemia)- because I would react to
all fructose and I would have organ damage
(I don't).
With regards to trying pure fructose out
of as box (i've had diabeteic fructose
cookies and these killed me) - I think i
may have tried that in the past but I'd be
afraid to try that now for fear of a
really bad hypogycemic episode. I have no
doubt it would effect me as honey, dates
and carrots do - but probably worse.
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tomseys
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Posted: 04-23-07 07:37am
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Anyway, my plan is to off the coffee
starting now, avoid all sweets especially
most fruits and sweet vegetables and start
with a high protein breakfast while
avoiding dairy and take it from there. If
I can't get this to work then I'll see a
nutritionist.
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Stan
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Posted: 04-23-07 19:48pm
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Let me know what that does for you.
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tomseys
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Posted: 04-23-07 22:23pm
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I definitely will Stan. Thanks guys!
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tomseys
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Posted: 04-27-07 08:21am
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Ok. It seems I have a few food
sensitivities in addition to dairy
(actually, it seems I can have small
amounts of non-fermented dairy once or
twice a week with no issue). Eggs, pork,
tomato and sulphur veggies, especially
broccoli, seem to not agree with me. Feel
lousy after eating these foods. I am also
finding that the less protein I eat,
especially animal protein, the better I
feel and the better everything works.
Maybe my problem is an acid/sulphur
overload issue (maybe making colonic flora
bad in terms of encouraging the growth of
sulphur eating bacteria?) causing the
whole system to have problems down the
line. I guess it could be amines too or
just individual food sensitvities.
I'm going to try a lower protein diet or
at least a low animal protein diet
(keeping it to like 30 grams a day) and
see how that effects things. I did it for
one day and I have to say I feel better.
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Stan
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Posted: 04-27-07 10:08am
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Be very careful. If this is indeed
hypoglycemia, you will often feel worse
upon eating right and won't feel good
again for sometimes up to a month, and
even then it may only be a little bit.
It's best to stick with things for at
least two weeks, because by that time you
normally find a little difference. Only
in extreme cases will you see no result
for awhile. Have you tried eating
organic? Pork should probably be avoided,
but the eggs may simply not be good
enough. Though more expensive, you may
find great benefit trying out organic,
free range eggs with added omega 3.
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tomseys
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Posted: 04-28-07 06:03am
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ok, I'll heed your advice though I'm
eliminating eggs (was using free range
omega 3 enriched) - they give me fatigue
and a kind of edemic swelling - feel much
better without them
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groovylicious
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Oatmeal Effect
Posted: 05-19-07 00:52am
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regarding oatmeal, they say traditional
porridge has medium GI value, whereas
instant oatmeal raises d blood glucose
level to high ( 66 GI ) yikes! i also feel
dizzy and tingly after oatmeal and
bananas, carrots, etc sigh and its so hard
to recover. i know i'm not crazy and i
hate people who dont understand telling me
it's all in the mind... neway, i read dat
cooking the oatmeal with 2x d amount of
water drains d starch, haven't tried it
yet. tell me if it works! 
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