Is pure bs. Anyone who states that they
are 99% sure a therapy will work for you
is trying to sell you something and is a
charlatan. Beware of snake oil salesmen.
|
Gor Guru Gaa
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 9
Posted: 06-25-04 04:30am
No, it's certainly not bs. Do not throw
around wild accusations, i'm not trying to
sell anything. I did not say I was 99%
sure it "will work for you" I said "i'm
99% sure it will provide relief in some
way or another". One is an outright
affirmation the other is much more
expansive so don't misquote me for your
own twisted reasons! :p
i've only used it for a short time and
gain temporary relief during the actual
exercise and also noticeable tension
reduction immediately afterwards. My
back is generally less tense although the
most hypersensitive region still has no
remarkable improvement. If anyone has
used the product for a longer period of
time and gained lasting effects I would be
interested in hearing the details.
For the paranoid fool who thinks i'm a
salesman, you're in the wrong place buddy,
you should be in the mental health forum.
I do not appreciate being called a
"charlatan" and a "snake oil salesman" so
I suggest you kiss my tension-reduced
buttocks. :p
|
algosdoc
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 186
Pathethic Posted: 06-25-04 09:49am
One should not be intentionally deceived
by wildly overstated claims of cures or
relief, especially with claims of 99%
effectiveness rate (which is what is being
purported). This is pure bs without any
scientific support. It is perfectly
reasonable to state "here is a treatment
which worked for me". It is pure bs to
claim such will work for others, esp. At
a 99% rate. That is charlatanism. Get
a clue.
|
Gor Guru Gaa
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 9
Posted: 06-25-04 14:31pm
As you choose to repeat the same childish
accusations I am afforded the right to
choose to ignore your comments from now
on.
I hope people who read this thread decide
to give it a try - if you're skeptical
then buy from amazon like I did because
you can return it if you don't find it
beneficial, they have a lenient refund
policy, i've been refunded by them in the
past with no problems.
Hype of a procedure or a medication is to
be viewed as dangerous. To point out
such is not childish...The way scientists
and physicians are able to prove a
therapy, theirs or others, is by
documentation of the effects via
randomized trials. The promotion of a
product by anecdotal evidence or
testimonials is meaningless, having lead
many into buying products which do not
work or are absurdly expensive. The use
of 99% efficacy hype represents a deluded
view of a particular therapy and
insinuates there is intentional deception
being used for whatever purpose. Caveat
emptor!!!! Beware of anyone who claims
a 99% success rate .....Certainly be wary
of their motives.
|
Gor Guru Gaa
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 9
Posted: 06-25-04 16:48pm
I have been reading the amazon
testimonials and there is a link to the
authors site:
here is a particular article with photos
of exercises specifically targetting the
back. Having already practised these,
for me they definately provide some
much-needed pain relief:
for the skeptics among you, as I have
already suggested, buy from amazon or a
similar reputable site/store so you have
the added security of a guaranteed refund
if you're not satisfied. Hope this
helps.
|
Gor Guru Gaa
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 9
Posted: 06-26-04 03:27am
^ there seems to be a prob with the links,
it is generating capital letters after a
full stop. After you click a link, if
you get a 404 error in the new window that
pops up, change any capital letters to
small letters in the address bar and press
enter.
|
algosdoc
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 186
Internet Fraud Posted: 06-26-04 10:34am
One only needs to visit the ftc website to
discover how fraud is perpetuated on the
internet. The use of testimonials vs.
Science is one of the key features.
Testimonials are useless and may be
overtly deceptive since some giving
testimonials are paid for their
statements, have their statements edited,
and do not answer the salient features
needed to prove a therapy.
Certainly there is nothing wrong with
trying out a product in an effort to
reduce pain but be assured that if there
is hype about the product which seems
unreasonable, if the product is expensive,
or if the sole basis of efficacy is based
on testimonials, then caveat emptor.
|
Gor Guru Gaa
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 9
Posted: 06-28-04 07:26am
gor guru gaa
wrote:
... For the skeptics among
you, as I have already suggested, buy from
amazon or a similar reputable site/store
so you have the added security of a
guaranteed refund if you're not satisfied.
Hope this
helps.
|
cz
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 2 Location: wisconsin
This Is Very Discouraging! Posted: 07-02-04 12:23pm
This is a first for me, and I must say, I
am very saddened by the number of us that
have the same pain and seem to be stuck
with it.
Maybe there is someone out there with some
advise for me.
I am a 49 tear old woman that has back
pain for just about my whole life,
begining at the age of seven with a
saddistic ballet teacher.
In adulthood I started with traditional
medicine but quickly turned to
chiropractic care, which I have continued
for the last 15years. I have never been
pain free, but did get enough relief to
function (carefully) except for the
inevitable one or two times a year I would
have to take medical leave
from work.
Now it's much worse. I can no longer sit
with my head down (writing this is
painful) sitting to standing is the worst,
I cant stand in one place very long, in
fact I cant hold any position for any
length of time. (sorry this is getting
long)
i have been off of work 4 months this year
trying to go back for three and ending up
worse.
I finally insisted on an mri and a visit
to an orthopedic surgeon.
My problem is I still don't understand
whats wrong! I have been diagnosed with
ddd,idd (whats the difference?),
arthritis, spurring, narrow disc space,
desicated discs, motic changes, reversal
of the curve in my neck, various degrees
of disc bulging in 6 different areas!!!
All I need to understand is why I am in so
much pain!!! Surgery was considered to
fuse l3-4, l4-5 and l5-s1.
We are trying therapy first, where it was
discovered I also have a short leg, and
tilted si and hip. Yet, I don't feel any
of them understand the degree of pain I am
in.
Is it that none of these things on there
own is debilitating but the combination of
all. Do I really want to let someone
alter the base of a crumbling tower?
Last edited by cz on 07-07-04 07:22am; edited 1 time in total
|
algosdoc
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 186
Possibilities... Posted: 07-02-04 13:00pm
Degenerative disc disease may cause
intense low back pain via nerve ingrowth
into the disc, instability of the disc due
to micromotion or overt instability,
pressure on the posterior longitudinal
ligaments, and alterations in gait and
posture. There are no simple solutions.
Avoid surgery unless it is absolutely
necessary. Physical therapy, home
exercise (gradual), pool therapy,
swimming, etc. Can be used to strengthen
the muscular columns in front and behind
the spine. Artificial discs are on the
verge of being approved by the fda.
There are some other proven therapies such
as idet, disctrode, etc.
|
ot
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Jul 2004 Posts: 3 Location: Bay Area
Wow, Please Read It May Help Posted: 07-07-04 18:57pm
I have read the thread and would like to
share the following. I am a nurse who
sustained an injury (1992) to my back
resulting in a herniation at the l3/4 and
l5/s1 level -- I was not a surgical
candidate until dec. 1999 when some
moment caused me to have "unbearable"
pain.
Symptoms:
as of jan., 2000 I couldn't walk 2 blocks
without having to sit down, even if it was
on the sidewalk. I couldn't stand for
more than 10 minutes without lying down.
I agree with one responder that when the
bulge is pinching a nerve, you can feel
temporary relief ... 10 minutes or so, by
stretching your spinal column, e.G.,
holding onto the top of a door frame and
allowing your body to hang there being
pulled by gravity alone for a few seconds.
Anyway, after 3 epidurals with no
positive relief and as a matter of fact,
onsuing leg pain, a mri was ordered --- my
s1 nerve was being compressed and so now
my only alternative was to undergo a
diskectomy. Finally relief -- not just
yet.
Present situation:
in april of 2004, I was washing some
dishes and noticed some pain so I decided
to lay on the floor and do some stretches.
Well, what I intended on doing and what
I could do were complete opposites. I
couldn't lift my rump or legs off the
floor, let alone get up. This lead to
taking on average 5 tylenols with codeine
a week.
On june 18th started a therapy which as of
this date, 7/7/04, I have only needed to
take 1.5 pills total over a three week
period. Please feel free to contact me
since I do not want to be accused of
advertisement. I have lived with pain
since 1992 -- if what I am doing can help
you, then this is part of my lifework as a
clinician. God bless, otilia loya, rn
|
sneakycol
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 Oct 2004 Posts: 43 Location: Arbroath, Scotland
the Website That Can Change Your Life Posted: 10-10-04 11:25am
Such training may be wonderful for normal
patients, but for those with chronic pain,
fighting training could be disasterous.
|
sneakycol
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 Oct 2004 Posts: 43 Location: Arbroath, Scotland
Fighting Training Posted: 10-10-04 13:33pm
I did not intend to advertise a site that
recommends 'fight training', the part of
the site I wish to bring to your attention
has nothing at all to do with fighting.
Do not judge by the name please. The
book "combat conditioning" advertised on
the site contains an exercise called
bridging which involves supporting your
entire bodyweight on only the forehead and
feet, stomach facing up. This may sound
extreme but you work up to this ability.
This exercise alone has a miraculous
effect on curing back pain. Please go to
the site and read the testimonials from
people from all over the world who have
been cured of severe pain in many cases.
The book is suitable for anyone not just
those in martial arts, please do not
ignore the priceless knowledge contained
in this book by judging it by the name.
Just trying to help!
|
sandyallen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Sneakycol Posted: 10-10-04 15:06pm
Hi there!
You might want to re-read algosdoc's post,
the way I understood this was that if you
have chronic pain if you fight, trying to
do this that you could mess yourself up
more. I am sure glad I have enough
common sense not to do something like
this, I would end up paralyzed or dead!
I have had 2 neck surgeries, and I might
end up with one more, which I am trying to
avoid at all expense, my left leg and foot
goes numb on me, I also have l-5&s1
that is messed up, I have pain almost all
24/7, I still function and I would like to
continuing to function as long as
possible! I will have to agree with
algosdoc on this one, and I do not always
agree with him. You might let people
know that this is not for everyone! We
are all not alike! Please, do not get
me wrong, I am not hammering or judging
you. I am not against stretching
exercises, I do them a lot, but if you are
not taught to do them correctly, you could
really mess yourself up, just like
lifting.
Sincerely,
sandy
|
sneakycol
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 Oct 2004 Posts: 43 Location: Arbroath, Scotland
Sandy Posted: 10-10-04 15:15pm
The point I am trying to make is that the
information wd benefit you.It has nithing
at all to do with fighting it is an
exercise system that involves using
nothing but your own bodyweight. The
exercises taught in the book are amazing
and can cure back pain. I have had the
book for several years and have got rid of
my back pain and the back pain of several
friends of mine. It makes no difference
to me if you take my advice or dont.
Just trying to help others with the
benefit of my experience. If you choose
to argue and not take action by trying
something a bit different thats fine
|
hardrock
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 1 Location: Baltimore
Lower Back And Hip Posted: 12-02-04 13:46pm
I am new to this site.I have had an mri
that confirmed that I have spinal
stenosis. My problem is sitting and going
to the bath room. When I sit on the seat
I get a pain shooting down my left leg
into the heal of my left foot. I can
walk and stand without any pain. I walk 2
miles evey morning with out any
problems.When I sit down to drink my
coffee after about 10 minutes the pain
starts in my left hip.I have a clicking
noise in my hip area. I have x rays of my
hip my doctors reports that the hip was
normal.
|
Porshia
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 3 Location: Canada
Low Back And Hip Pain Posted: 12-16-04 01:22am
|
Porshia
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 3 Location: Canada
Re: Low Back And Hip Pain Posted: 12-16-04 01:32am
Im a 35 year old female,was in a car
accident 5 years ago,now have severe low
back pain that radidates to both hips,and
to both buttocks,unable to walk or sweep
or wash floors as this will increase the
hip and buttock pain.Also have pain that
radeates down both legs right to the
toes,no pain killer even touches this
pain.Also now both feet are very cold and
feel like there burning on the
tops.Chiropractor said when I bend forward
that he can see it's vary unstable.Also
when I walk,the pain will shoot across my
lower back and all the way around my
front,and upper part on the front of both
legs...Any one know what could be causing
this.I also have a slight curve in the
middle part of my back,and neck has no
curve at all.Please help me,as I can't
take this pain any more.Thank you
