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Anne123

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Posted: 06-14-07 13:23pm

from the Center for Disease Control:

"By age 50, at least 80 percent of women will have acquired genital HPV infection."

"There is no "cure" for HPV infection, although in most women the infection goes away on its own."

Here is their information about HPV:
http://www.cdc.gov/st d/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm

You can have a normal PAP and still have hpv. There is no test for hpv, unless you show symptoms by either an abnormal pap or warts.

Another source of information on HPV:
http://www.metrokc .gov/health/apu/std/hpv.htm

Condoms do not prevent transmission of HPV because there is still skin-to-skin contact.

The ads for the vaccine annoy me too, because it is not a cervical cancer vaccine, it is a hpv vaccine.
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Posted: 06-14-07 13:28pm

You will not continue to 'pass it back and forth' between partners. If you have a particular strain of hpv, your partner has it too.

They want to give shots to girls who are not sexually active, that is when it will have the best chance of working to prevent cervical cancer.

We live in a society today that we don't have the same worries about death from cervical cancer but it happens every day. This is death prevention. I agree, if you don't want the shot, you shouldn't be forced to get it. However, if someone elected not to get the shot and ended up with cervical cancer that could have prevented it, that would be ironic, wouldn't it?

cervical cancer is the major cause of cancer deaths in women in many developing countries

About 3,670 women will die from cervical cancer in the United States during 2007. Cervical cancer was once one of the most common causes of cancer death for American women. Between 1955 and 1992, the number of cervical cancer deaths in the United States dropped by 74%. The main reason for this change is the increased use of the Pap test.
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Posted: 06-14-07 13:31pm

my understanding of viruses, which is admittedly very limited, is that your body creates antibodies to it which deactivate or kill it off. that's why the antibodies will be present if you have had the virus before and you don't have to wait for your body to produce them a second time. some viruses will mutate constantly or otherwise trick the body's immune system so that it can't produce antibodies fast enough or it can't produce the right ones to effectively deal with the virus. some viruses stay the same so they can be dealt with by vaccination.
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Posted: 06-14-07 13:39pm

Ingi wrote:
Wow! I can't believe, even with the most recent media campaigns about cervical cancer and hpv, that people still aren't aware.

Anyone who has had sex can have hpv. Anyone! And, don't be fooled, a pap smear does not detect hpv. O.N.L.Y an hpv test detects hpv.


Edited because an above poster was correct, there is no HPV test!

A pap can detect abnormal cells that might be a type of HPV that can lead to cervical cancer. Women who have HPV are more likely to have an abnormal pap.


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Posted: 06-14-07 13:41pm

rasuyoung wrote:

I know there is a HPV test, but a pap can detect abnormal cells that might be a type of HPV that can lead to cervical cancer. Women who have HPV are more likely to have an abnormal pap, so a pap smear can be a lead-in to getting an hpv test.


Yes, it can. But you can still have hpv and have normal pap smears.
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Posted: 06-14-07 13:45pm

Thank you for clarifying that, .Ingi.

From Yahoo! health:

Even if you are treated to remove visible warts or your warts go away without treatment, the HPV infection is not cured; it remains in your body's cells.

Even with treatment for genital warts, you still may be able to spread the infection. Condoms may help reduce the risk of spreading the infection, but they do not fully protect against genital contact.
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Posted: 06-14-07 13:53pm

Ingi Wrote:

About 3,670 women will die from cervical cancer in the United States during 2007. Cervical cancer was once one of the most common causes of cancer death for American women. Between 1955 and 1992, the number of cervical cancer deaths in the United States dropped by 74%. The main reason for this change is the increased use of the Pap test.[/quote]

There were 295,734,134 People in the US in 2005

So 1.34 per cent of women will die from this disease.

I am not making light of the condition, and I agree that having a vaccine to prevent cause of death from preventable conditions. However, I feel that Merk's advertising department has done a phenomenal job of making a mountain out of a mole hill to help boost sales of the vaccine. I might add that this comes on the heels of the recall of their drug, Vioxx, which their company is curently being sued for for having caused possibly 27,000 heart attacks in patients. So when Merck or any other drug company comes out with an advertisement for a new drug, remember that their primary goal is to sell you a drug. Furthermore, until more studies are done about the safety of this new vaccine, I am not going to give it to my children. This is the bone of contention I have-not with the data on HPV and its resultant complications, but with the fact that in this country, drugs =money.
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Posted: 06-14-07 14:20pm

sillyakchick wrote:

There were 295,734,134 People in the US in 2005

So 1.34 per cent of women will die from this disease.

I am not making light of the condition, and I agree that having a vaccine to prevent cause of death from preventable conditions. However, I feel that Merk's advertising department has done a phenomenal job of making a mountain out of a mole hill to help boost sales of the vaccine. I might add that this comes on the heels of the recall of their drug, Vioxx, which their company is curently being sued for for having caused possibly 27,000 heart attacks in patients. So when Merck or any other drug company comes out with an advertisement for a new drug, remember that their primary goal is to sell you a drug. Furthermore, until more studies are done about the safety of this new vaccine, I am not going to give it to my children. This is the bone of contention I have-not with the data on HPV and its resultant complications, but with the fact that in this country, drugs =money.


That is why, as consumers, we need to do our own research and not allow someone to tell us their version of what they want us to hear.

I, having had cervical cancer, wouldn't make the same choice you would make. I have a friend who died from cervical cancer, leaving 4 children motherless and her husband is raising them on his own. I don't want to make anyone's choice for them. I just want people to be aware of what their choices are.

Just because approximately 3,600 women will die from cervical cancer, that doesn't tell of the many women who will be subjected to major surgeries and hysterectomies, etc. That number is much, much higher than 3,600.
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Posted: 06-14-07 14:56pm

I am sorry, I did not want to come off sounding insensitive. I will repeat that I think a vaccine for this is a great thing. If cervical cancer is preventable, then that is a great step toward saving lives. I will refrain from any further discussion about the rest of my opinions for fear that tehy will be misconstrued.

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Posted: 06-14-07 15:29pm

I want to bring up something that got mentioned...

1. "Making the vaccine a requirement is a violation of our rights."

2. and also, in relation, a comment that "men are the carriers".

The first part: Aren't americans required to get vaccines for other diseases? I'm pretty sure they are, or you aren't allowed to even go to school. so why is it a violation of your rights to add one more vaccine to that list? Just because it has to do with sex? Most americans are going to have sex, just like most americans attend school. I think it's just plain smart.

Second: Aren't women carriers too? Couldn't a lesbian transmit it to her partner? The way you phrased it seems to lay all the blame on the males, and I don't think that's right. Gay men could also transmit it to their partners, though of course they don't have the debilitating conditions women get.
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Posted: 06-14-07 15:51pm

Gardasil is not a required vaccine, either.
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Posted: 06-14-07 17:41pm

Eiri wrote:

2. and also, in relation, a comment that "men are the carriers".

Second: Aren't women carriers too? Couldn't a lesbian transmit it to her partner? The way you phrased it seems to lay all the blame on the males, and I don't think that's right. Gay men could also transmit it to their partners, though of course they don't have the debilitating conditions women get.



Right. If it was my statement that men are carriers ~ they are 'silent' carriers since they wouldn't know if they had the disease, as there is no test for them. However, it was not uncommon for a man to have more than one wife die from cervical cancer (in the old days) and he would have never known he was the connection between the two women.

But I'm sure a woman could transmit it to a woman. Or a man to a man, for that matter.
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Posted: 06-14-07 18:07pm

Eiri wrote:
The first part: Aren't americans required to get vaccines for other diseases? I'm pretty sure they are, or you aren't allowed to even go to school. so why is it a violation of your rights to add one more vaccine to that list? Just because it has to do with sex? Most americans are going to have sex, just like most americans attend school. I think it's just plain smart.


Actually, It depends on what state you live in. Many states offer waviers for parents to sign if they do not wish to vaccinate their children.
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Posted: 06-14-07 20:23pm

rasuyoung wrote:
Gardasil is not a required vaccine, either.


I know it's not, and that's the point. someone was saying that if it was, it would be a violation of our rights. I wondered how this could be?
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Posted: 06-14-07 20:24pm

mc4ever02 wrote:
Eiri wrote:
The first part: Aren't americans required to get vaccines for other diseases? I'm pretty sure they are, or you aren't allowed to even go to school. so why is it a violation of your rights to add one more vaccine to that list? Just because it has to do with sex? Most americans are going to have sex, just like most americans attend school. I think it's just plain smart.


Actually, It depends on what state you live in. Many states offer waviers for parents to sign if they do not wish to vaccinate their children.


Hm. Well, I grew up as a military child, so I had to be vaccinated for everything almost every year. Every time you change schools, you have to be reexamined.
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Posted: 06-14-07 20:33pm

Eiri wrote:
rasuyoung wrote:
Gardasil is not a required vaccine, either.


I know it's not, and that's the point. someone was saying that if it was, it would be a violation of our rights. I wondered how this could be?


I mentioned this only because there has been talk about requiring young girls to get the shot, just like other required vaccines. I wasn't trying to say that it is a requirement, I was kinda being fecicious (sp?). Sorry for my misconstruding humor!! lol.

Also, like christy said, it isn't always required that your child get vaccinated. I think they just like to say that it is a requirement to scare you into getting them when they aren't really required at all.
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Posted: 06-14-07 20:37pm

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Eiri wrote:
rasuyoung wrote:
Gardasil is not a required vaccine, either.


I know it's not, and that's the point. someone was saying that if it was, it would be a violation of our rights. I wondered how this could be?


I mentioned this only because there has been talk about requiring young girls to get the shot, just like other required vaccines. I wasn't trying to say that it is a requirement, I was kinda being fecicious (sp?). Sorry for my misconstruding humor!! lol.

Also, like christy said, it isn't always required that your child get vaccinated. I think they just like to say that it is a requirement to scare you into getting them when they aren't really required at all.


Yeah, I totally interpreted it as "requiring the hpv vaccine would be a violation of our rights" even though other vaccines are semi-required... and I got confused, as there are no side effects I've heard of, and great protection to gain.
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Posted: 06-14-07 21:12pm

according to all that i have read on it men are the carriers of it so if you have sex with a carrier and get it you can pass it on to a female partner if you are bi. I will be getting both my daughters vac against it shoot if they have a vac that prevents all cancers id get that for them as well i only wish they also made one for breast cancer as well since my fam has a high risk for it ...runs in family on my moms side.
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Posted: 06-14-07 21:37pm

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iridescent_opal wrote:
.actually the hpv virus is unique in the fact that your body can get rid of it completely. .many doctors do not know why this is but it can and has happened in many people


I don't understand how your body can get rid of a virus. They are not able to cure any other viruses, they just treat them until the symptoms go away. Just like if you have the flu for a week, then the next week you have absolutely no symptoms. You are not cured, you have recovered from the symptoms and the virus then lays dormant in your body.


what happens when they say the body rids of it is that the the virus incorporates into the dna of the cells in a way it doesn't harm them anymore as they continue reproducing. So it's not disappeared but it doesn't harm neither.

I'm not taking the vaccine because i already have the virus and i'm getting married so i don't plan having sex with anyone else. Should I have known of this vaccine I would have gotten without shadow of doubt. Even if it protects me from one strain, that is better than no protection.
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Posted: 06-15-07 00:22am

Nightangel, if you're under the age of 26 you can still get the vaccine and it can be beneficial, because you probably don't have all 4 types of Hpv that the vaccine helps protect against.
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