From a Teen Point of View Posted: 06-17-07 19:05pm
Truthfully, i don't fully understand why
there is a forum to debate about abortion.
I believe that no matter how many times
anybody can discuss this there will always
be three sides with three different
opinions: those who agree, those who
oppose, and those who really just don't
care.
I personally believe it is up to the woman
carrying the baby. Everything in this
world requires a choice. It is a choice
whether you want to abort or not. There
are many situations that place a woman in
a spot where she has to decide. It is up
to the woman that is faced with this
situation to decide whether she is
prepared enough to give this baby the life
it deserves or if she really just can't
take care of it. If she doesn't decide to
abort, because of religious reasons or
because she really doesn't agree with the
idea of abortion, then she has another
choice to make. Either finding a way to
take care of it and move foward no matter
how difficult it may be or giving it up
for adoption and facing the emotional part
of giving up the child that you carried
for 9 months.
I am in highschool and the school
constantly has these assemblies where they
have a group of people come and discuss
the issue of abortion. They show us videos
of how horrible it is and how morally
wrong it is to do so. They teach us that
we are killing babies and that it is a
sin. When i hear these people talk, all
that runs through my head is that instead
of giving us these leatures about
aborting, why aren't they giving us
lectures on how to protect ourselves to
not become pregnant in the first place.
The best way to avoid abortion or the
thought of it is to protect yourself!!
Those lectures that they give should
change. They shouldn't have this debate on
abortion. They should put their minds
together to find a way to prevent teen
pregnancy, to prevent unwanted pregnancy,
and to help those who aren't sure what to
do when they find themselves in this
situation.
Let the woman decide. Let her think it
over and don't pressure her to do what you
believe is right. In the end, it is her
that makes the decision and even though
you might not completely agree, support
her because it probably wasn't an easy one
to make.
I know that everyone has a different
opinion on abortion and i respect their
choices. I just wish that everyone else
would have the same respect as i do.
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Re: From a Teen Point of View... Please Read! Posted: 06-17-07 19:43pm
Doriz
wrote:
Truthfully, i don't fully
understand why there is a forum to debate
about abortion. I believe that no matter
how many times anybody can discuss this
there will always be three sides with
three different opinions: those who agree,
those who oppose, and those who really
just don't care.
I personally believe it is up to the woman
carrying the baby. Everything in this
world requires a choice. It is a choice
whether you want to abort or not. There
are many situations that place a woman in
a spot where she has to decide. It is up
to the woman that is faced with this
situation to decide whether she is
prepared enough to give this baby the life
it deserves or if she really just can't
take care of it. If she doesn't decide to
abort, because of religious reasons or
because she really doesn't agree with the
idea of abortion, then she has another
choice to make. Either finding a way to
take care of it and move foward no matter
how difficult it may be or giving it up
for adoption and facing the emotional part
of giving up the child that you carried
for 9 months.
I am in highschool and the school
constantly has these assemblies where they
have a group of people come and discuss
the issue of abortion. They show us videos
of how horrible it is and how morally
wrong it is to do so. They teach us that
we are killing babies and that it is a
sin. When i hear these people talk, all
that runs through my head is that instead
of giving us these leatures about
aborting, why aren't they giving us
lectures on how to protect ourselves to
not become pregnant in the first place.
The best way to avoid abortion or the
thought of it is to protect yourself!!
Those lectures that they give should
change. They shouldn't have this debate on
abortion. They should put their minds
together to find a way to prevent teen
pregnancy, to prevent unwanted pregnancy,
and to help those who aren't sure what to
do when they find themselves in this
situation.
Let the woman decide. Let her think it
over and don't pressure her to do what you
believe is right. In the end, it is her
that makes the decision and even though
you might not completely agree, support
her because it probably wasn't an easy one
to make.
I know that everyone has a different
opinion on abortion and i respect their
choices. I just wish that everyone else
would have the same respect as i
do.
Doriz,
All that you say is true. But not all
agree. That is why it is called a debate.
Some people like me know that we will not
change minds or even laws, but we still
have opinions. And feel it is wrong to
take a life, not to give a child a chance
to live. That is why we debate! Just
because things are the way they are does
not mean we have to agree. People have
different opinions. And we are here to
speak them. Just like you did.. Welcome
aboard! It's nice to hear your views..
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Posted: 06-17-07 20:27pm
Doriz
wrote:
Let the woman decide. Let
her think it over and don't pressure her
to do what you believe is right. In the
end, it is her that makes the decision and
even though you might not completely
agree, support her because it probably
wasn't an easy one to make.
This is very well written, and it is the
core of the debate; in all honesty it's
the core of everything. I know you're
right, and I agree with you. It would be
true human altruism if everyone helped
each other and supported people through
their decisions and choices, but some
people can't help but shove their noses
into people's business and call them evil
for their choices. These people do not
support others through every decision;
only the ones they view as "moral".
Welcome to the debate forum, and don't let
the pro-lifers get you down.
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Re: From a Teen Point of View... Please Read! Posted: 06-17-07 21:15pm
Doriz
wrote:
Truthfully, i don't fully
understand why there is a forum to debate
about abortion. I believe that no matter
how many times anybody can discuss this
there will always be three sides with
three different opinions: those who agree,
those who oppose, and those who really
just don't care.
I personally believe it is up to the woman
carrying the baby. Everything in this
world requires a choice. It is a choice
whether you want to abort or not. There
are many situations that place a woman in
a spot where she has to decide. It is up
to the woman that is faced with this
situation to decide whether she is
prepared enough to give this baby the life
it deserves or if she really just can't
take care of it. If she doesn't decide to
abort, because of religious reasons or
because she really doesn't agree with the
idea of abortion, then she has another
choice to make. Either finding a way to
take care of it and move foward no matter
how difficult it may be or giving it up
for adoption and facing the emotional part
of giving up the child that you carried
for 9 months.
I am in highschool and the school
constantly has these assemblies where they
have a group of people come and discuss
the issue of abortion. They show us videos
of how horrible it is and how morally
wrong it is to do so. They teach us that
we are killing babies and that it is a
sin. When i hear these people talk, all
that runs through my head is that instead
of giving us these leatures about
aborting, why aren't they giving us
lectures on how to protect ourselves to
not become pregnant in the first place.
The best way to avoid abortion or the
thought of it is to protect yourself!!
Those lectures that they give should
change. They shouldn't have this debate on
abortion. They should put their minds
together to find a way to prevent teen
pregnancy, to prevent unwanted pregnancy,
and to help those who aren't sure what to
do when they find themselves in this
situation.
Let the woman decide. Let her think it
over and don't pressure her to do what you
believe is right. In the end, it is her
that makes the decision and even though
you might not completely agree, support
her because it probably wasn't an easy one
to make.
I know that everyone has a different
opinion on abortion and i respect their
choices. I just wish that everyone else
would have the same respect as i
do.
You are extremely well spoken and well
written for a high school student. If I
may ask....do you attend a public or
private high school? The way you talk...it
must be private....as I know of no public
school that would allow (prolifers from
the way you describe them) to come and
speak of sin or the act of abortion as
killing babies. I would also think that if
you went to a public high school....you
would be having assemblies dealing with
birth control and abortion as a choice and
not a sin.
You are very right when you say that
education on how not to get pregnant
should be what you are being taught. You
should know about everything from
abstinence to birth control. You should be
taught about self-respect and made to know
that if you do get pregnant....you have
more than one choice. You also should as
pre-young adults....be given credit for
the fact that if you are given a complete
education on prevention....that chances
are....abortion won't ever have to be
considered as a "choice" in your life.
All this being said though....abortion
will always be a controversy because there
are those who feel passionately that by
allowing abortion they are protecting the
life of the woman....and others that feel
just as passionately that by allowing
abortion....one human life will always
leave the clinic dead.
The good thing about being able to debate
the subject....is anytime there are two
opposing sides who are as passionate as
both pro-life and pro-choice are....you
know that neither side would feel the way
they do...unless they both felt they were
right. Through civil debate and
discussion....both sides stand to learn
alot....and both sides....whether they
ever agree or not...can at least learn to
respect the others opinions.
My position....no humans right to choice
should ever override another humans right
to life.....but....I also respect your
right to believe differently.
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HcoBrunette06
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Posted: 06-17-07 22:23pm
I personally am glad there's a debate
forum. i've actually learned a whole lot
since I've been here for the last few
months. I used to be really close minded
and I wouldn't even come to this part of
the forum because it made me so mad, but
then I started coming and reading and I've
actually learned a lot!
I used to believe that abortion was really
wrong and that making it illegal would end
it and all the babies could go up for
adoption or the mothers would realize that
they wanted the baby in the end and
everything would end up happy but after reading
on this forum i've realized that it's not
a reality. no matter what, there are
always going to be people getting
abortions, and making it illegal would
only make it worse, making these girls
abandon their babies that they really
don't want because they're scared out of
their mind. that's not always going to be
the case but look at how many there are
now, and making abortion illegal would
only make it a million times worse i can
bet you. so yeah, my opinion has changed
because of this forum and i feel more
educated (in my opinion)
so maybe that's why there's an abortion
debate forum. that and because nobody is
ever going to completely agree on this
subject.
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Re: From a Teen Point of View Posted: 06-18-07 11:15am
Doriz
wrote:
Truthfully, i don't fully
understand why there is a forum to debate
about abortion. I believe that no matter
how many times anybody can discuss this
there will always be three sides with
three different opinions: those who agree,
those who oppose, and those who really
just don't care.
...
I know that everyone has a different
opinion on abortion and i respect their
choices. I just wish that everyone else
would have the same respect as i
do.
We debate about abortion exactly because
people don't respect other's choices [for
a multitude of reasons].
I'm glad to know that despite your
educational brainwashing, you are coming
through it a freethinker. You should let
them know it's not working.
HcoBrunette06
wrote:
I personally am glad
there's a debate forum. i've actually
learned a whole lot since I've been here
for the last few months. I used to be
really close minded and I wouldn't even
come to this part of the forum because it
made me so mad, but then I started coming
and reading and I've actually learned a
lot!
I used to believe that abortion was really
wrong and that making it illegal would end
it and all the babies could go up for
adoption or the mothers would realize that
they wanted the baby in the end and
everything would end up happy but after
reading on this forum i've realized that
it's not a
reality
HcoBrunette06, you are cool.
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Re: From a Teen Point of View Posted: 06-18-07 11:19am
Birch
wrote:
Doriz
wrote:
Truthfully, i don't fully
understand why there is a forum to debate
about abortion. I believe that no matter
how many times anybody can discuss this
there will always be three sides with
three different opinions: those who agree,
those who oppose, and those who really
just don't care.
...
I know that everyone has a different
opinion on abortion and i respect their
choices. I just wish that everyone else
would have the same respect as i
do.
We debate about abortion exactly because
people don't respect other's choices [for
a multitude of reasons].
I'm glad to know that despite your
educational brainwashing, you are coming
through it a freethinker. You should let
them know it's not working.
HcoBrunette06
wrote:
I personally am glad
there's a debate forum. i've actually
learned a whole lot since I've been here
for the last few months. I used to be
really close minded and I wouldn't even
come to this part of the forum because it
made me so mad, but then I started coming
and reading and I've actually learned a
lot!
I used to believe that abortion was really
wrong and that making it illegal would end
it and all the babies could go up for
adoption or the mothers would realize that
they wanted the baby in the end and
everything would end up happy but after
reading on this forum i've realized that
it's not a
reality
HcoBrunette06, you are
cool.
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Posted: 06-18-07 11:24am
Another teen point of veiw:
I don't particularly like abortion, it's
not something i would do but i'm not going
to attack every girl or woman who has one,
ultimately it is their uterus, their
vagina and if they choose it to be then
it's their baby to raise as they see fit.
of course in a perfect world anyone who
didn't want to get pregnant wouldn't get
pregnant and therefore abortions wouldn't
take place but that's never going to
happen.
And for those who think abortion should be
illegal:
I do see your point of veiw, abortion
isn't a particularly nice act but
thankfully we live in a world where it is
available for those who want it, i know
that if i was terminally ill and found
myself pregnant and was told that if i
continued with the pregnancy i would die i
would be very very thankfull that i have
more than one choice
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When Does Life Start? Posted: 06-18-07 11:41am
The debate centers around answering the
question as to when life begins. Once
someone is a "living person," historically
our nation has protected that life. One
side has argued that life begins at birth.
The opposing side argues that life begins
at conception. Others land somewhere in
between these two views.
When does a fetus become a living child?
Is it at birth? When the fetus has a
heartbeat? When the fetus has formed the
necessary body parts which make it appear
like a baby? When it can feel pain?
When does this "it" become a "her" or a
"him"? Scientifically, what differences
are there between a one-minute old child,
which is considered "alive" and protected
by federal law, and the fetus in the womb,
which in the United States presently is
not yet considered to be a living child?
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Posted: 06-18-07 13:54pm
I don't think so. I think it's
biologically obvious that after
conception, when cells start dividing,
you've got something unique going on. For
me, life starts at conception; just a
different kind of life than what you and I
experience.
That really doesn't make a difference to
me. I just don't care, because this life
isn't life as we know it; it's not a
developed human being. It's not there
yet. So it's like scrambing an egg,
versus scrambling a live chicken.
I think people may want to know when does
the "spiritual" side of the person
develop; when does the 'soul' come into
play, when does 'self awareness' kick in,
when does that sacred thing that we can't
identify that makes us "us" come into
play? Does it develop with us as we
develop spiritually? Does it happen
before or sometime after birth? Does it
happen mystically at conception?
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Re: When Does Life Start? Posted: 06-18-07 17:04pm
johnfhansen
wrote:
The debate centers around
answering the question as to when life
begins. Once someone is a "living person,"
historically our nation has protected that
life. One side has argued that life begins
at birth. The opposing side argues that
life begins at conception. Others land
somewhere in between these two views.
When does a fetus become a living child?
Is it at birth? When the fetus has a
heartbeat? When the fetus has formed the
necessary body parts which make it appear
like a baby? When it can feel pain?
When does this "it" become a "her" or a
"him"?
Actually, that can be determined during
pregnancy, but I don't think gender
necessarily has anything to do with
this...
Quote:
tr>
Scientifically,
what differences are there between a
one-minute old child, which is considered
"alive" and protected by federal law, and
the fetus in the womb, which in the United
States presently is not yet considered to
be a living
child?
Many differences. A minute old baby can
breathe. A fetus cannot. A minute old baby
is not 100% dependent on just the mother's
body to survive. Other humans can raise
it.
No one denies that the fetus is alive, by
the way. It is alive, and it dies during
an abortion or miscarriage. But personhood
is what matters to most pro-choicers,
that, and the value of life. We believe
that the mother has more value than the
fetus/embryo/zygote.
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Doriz
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Re: From a Teen Point of View... Please Read! Posted: 06-18-07 17:20pm
trina1
wrote:
You are extremely well
spoken and well written for a high school
student. If I may ask....do you attend a
public or private high school? The way you
talk...it must be private....as I know of
no public school that would allow
(prolifers from the way you describe them)
to come and speak of sin or the act of
abortion as killing babies. I would also
think that if you went to a public high
school....you would be having assemblies
dealing with birth control and abortion as
a choice and not a sin.
You are very right when you say that
education on how not to get pregnant
should be what you are being taught. You
should know about everything from
abstinence to birth control. You should be
taught about self-respect and made to know
that if you do get pregnant....you have
more than one choice. You also should as
pre-young adults....be given credit for
the fact that if you are given a complete
education on prevention....that chances
are....abortion won't ever have to be
considered as a "choice" in your life.
All this being said though....abortion
will always be a controversy because there
are those who feel passionately that by
allowing abortion they are protecting the
life of the woman....and others that feel
just as passionately that by allowing
abortion....one human life will always
leave the clinic dead.
The good thing about being able to debate
the subject....is anytime there are two
opposing sides who are as passionate as
both pro-life and pro-choice are....you
know that neither side would feel the way
they do...unless they both felt they were
right. Through civil debate and
discussion....both sides stand to learn
alot....and both sides....whether they
ever agree or not...can at least learn to
respect the others opinions.
My position....no humans right to choice
should ever override another humans right
to life.....but....I also respect your
right to believe
differently.
Actually, i am in a public school. The
school i was talking about was one i
attended in Puerto Rico. I had moved there
two years ago to brush up on my spanish.
For the last 3 months i am back in New
Jersey. Even here they don't teach
students about abstinence or birthcontrol.
I guess the school just tries to ignore it
and that way prevent controversy because i
know of many parents who don't agree with
those kinds of lectures in school. I guess
the base of any unwanted pregnancy could
be because of lack of education but then
again it can be because of lack of
free-will (those women who can't make
decisions on their own despite what they
have been taught and let themselves be
manipulated by others). Many just let
themselves be swept away by the heat of
the moment.
But anyways,
I do understand why they debate about this
issue. This world is infected by debates
of all sorts. I guess thats what makes
this world unique. Anywhere and everywhere
there are people with different opinions,
there will always be debates. I understand
completely.
Eiri
wrote:
this is very well written,
and it is the core of the debate; in all
honesty it's the core of everything. I
know you're right, and I agree with you.
It would be true human altruism if
everyone helped each other and supported
people through their decisions and
choices, but some people can't help but
shove their noses into people's business
and call them evil for their choices.
These people do not support others through
every decision; only the ones they view as
"moral".
Welcome to the debate forum, and don't let
the pro-lifers get you down.
Well i agree with you! And trust me i
won't let them get me down!!
Birch
wrote:
we debate about abortion
exactly because people don't respect
other's choices [for a multitude of
reasons].
I'm glad to know that despite your
educational brainwashing, you are coming
through it a freethinker. You should let
them know it's not working.
I have always been a freethinker. I
believe that everyone should make their
own decisions based on what they believe
is right, not based on what others want
you to believe is right.
I believe that abortion should be legal
and remain that way. It should be there as
an option for those who just can't take
the emotional rollercoaster of pregnancy
and what comes after that. I mean think
about it. Its now with abortion and we
constantly hear of babies being thrown in
the dumpster or being wraped in garbage
bags and thrown away like trash. If its so
morally wrong to abort, then isn't it even
worse to be so cruel? If they had aborted
or if they had just thought about things
beforehand, then that baby wouldn't be
suffering or even worse dead.
Abortion gives the person the option to
start over. It gives them the opportunity
to do things differently and to prevent
another baby from suffering.
So... mabey it is wrong... but at least
it's there for those who believe it isn't.
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Posted: 06-19-07 20:01pm
just thought I'd add that she is well
spoken, and what difference would it make
if she came from a public or a private
school. Depending on the school and the
person you can be very well spoken. Many
people go to public school and are very
smart and well spoken, not just people
from private schools.
And to the op, you are very well spoken,
it's hard to find teens who write as
eloquently as you do.
I read around this forum, and am
pro-choice, and I agree with everything
you have said, though fortunately my
school nor my surroundings has ever tried
to brainwash me... though it may be
because I live in liberal California.
Anyway, I completely agree with you that
it all boils down to choice, and that
abortion is never an easy decision, which
is why there are always debates.
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HcoBrunette06
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Posted: 06-19-07 20:17pm
i think she asked if she was from a public
or private school because public schools
wouldn't be having an assembly where
people come to preach about abortion and
sinners, not because of the way she's
actually speaking.
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amino65
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Posted: 06-19-07 20:27pm
ah, I might have misunderstood, but the
way I read it I interpreted it as this
she wrote "you are extremely well spoken
and well written for a high school
student. If I may ask....Do you attend a
public or private high school? The way you
talk...It must be private..."
anywho, sorry if there was a
misunderstanding.
it's nice to see that people can write
eloquently, it's refreshing
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Doriz
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Posted: 06-20-07 12:28pm
shasta205
wrote:
just thought I'd add that
she is well spoken, and what difference
would it make if she came from a public or
a private school. Depending on the school
and the person you can be very well
spoken. Many people go to public school
and are very smart and well spoken, not
just people from private schools.
And to the op, you are very well spoken,
it's hard to find teens who write as
eloquently as you do.
I read around this forum, and am
pro-choice, and I agree with everything
you have said, though fortunately my
school nor my surroundings has ever tried
to brainwash me... though it may be
because I live in liberal California.
Anyway, I completely agree with you that
it all boils down to choice, and that
abortion is never an easy decision, which
is why there are always
debates.
Thank .You!!
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diamondsimone
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Posted: 09-24-07 19:48pm
i dont agree with the original poster r of
this message because babies are living
things that are defenseless and they dont
have a right to choose nobody deserves to
be murdered . I only agree with abortion
if the woman has been raped and im still
iffy on that i have one question for you
what if your mom had an abortion with you?
Abortion in my opinion is selfish you have
to have the baby anyway your just killing
it why not think about someone else who
cant have a baby why not help them outside
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Re: From a Teen Point of View Posted: 09-24-07 20:25pm
Doriz
wrote:
Truthfully, i don't fully
understand why there is a forum to debate
about abortion. I believe that no matter
how many times anybody can discuss this
there will always be three sides with
three different opinions: those who agree,
those who oppose, and those who really
just don't care.
We know that there will always the three
sides..we just like reading people
opinions and we like to debate too. We
have all kinds of people comming here to
express the opinion on such a
controversial topic. From church clergy to
people who work in abortion clinics to
many women who have had real abortions.
With the advantage of anymosity people
feel free to voice their opinions and it
is interesting to read how the people from
all these different backgrounds think.
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Re: When Does Life Start? Posted: 09-24-07 21:10pm
JohnGuy
wrote:
The debate centers around
answering the question as to when life
begins. Once someone is a "living person,"
historically our nation has protected that
life. One side has argued that life begins
at birth. The opposing side argues that
life begins at conception. Others land
somewhere in between these two views.
When does a fetus become a living child?
Is it at birth? When the fetus has a
heartbeat? When the fetus has formed the
necessary body parts which make it appear
like a baby? When it can feel pain?
When does this "it" become a "her" or a
"him"? Scientifically, what differences
are there between a one-minute old child,
which is considered "alive" and protected
by federal law, and the fetus in the womb,
which in the United States presently is
not yet considered to be a living
child?
No, the debate centers around a person's
right to control their own body. If
someone tried to rape a woman, she could
use lethal force to stop him, and he's a
born person. Why can't she just let him
finish the rape and live??
If a born person needed your bone marrow
to live, and only your bone marrow would
work, you cannot be forced to donate it.
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Posted: 09-24-07 21:16pm
diamondsimone
wrote:
i dont agree with the
original poster r of this message because
babies are living things that are
defenseless and they dont have a right to
choose nobody deserves to be murdered . I
only agree with abortion if the woman has
been raped and im still iffy on that i
have one question for you what if your
mom had an abortion with you? Abortion in
my opinion is selfish you have to have the
baby anyway your just killing it why not
think about someone else who cant have a
baby why not help them
outside
Are you picturing an actual baby in your
mind, like with a head, face, eyes, nose,
mouth, ears, arms, hands, legs, feet,
etc., etc?