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Aggressive Children Posted: 06-24-07 05:56am
is it the parents fault? should they do
more to stop their child being
aggressive?
how would you deal with an aggressive
child?
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-24-07 06:46am
i dont think its a parents fault all the
time, it can be that way sometimes but i
think that there can also be underlining
issues like adhd. I think there is no one
answer fits all kind of solution to this
problem. My little brother who is 18 is
and always has been an extremely
aggressive kid but he also suffers from
adhd and is much better when he is on
medication. my ex husband was also very,
very aggressive and it was from how he was
raised, no he wasnt beat he was not given
any consequences for his actions and his
parents never disciplined him. I think
the way your discipline a kid and the way
that you raise a kid is an individual
thing you need to cater to their
personality. you just have to see what
works for them. i think the biggest thing
is to teach a aggressive child empathy and
make them understand how their actions
affect others.
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Mommy35
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Posted: 06-24-07 10:21am
Playing rough with a kid can teach them to
be aggressive.
You have to teach limits when they are
young. If you are playing with your child
and he/she starts getting aggressive you
have to stop playing and say, "your
hurting me and .I'm not going to play with
you until you stop". You have to do this
every time. Most kids will get it and
some won't . You shouldn't let people
play rough with your kids either, it only
reinforces aggression.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 06-24-07 13:47pm
I definitely think that unless there is an
underlying condition, most aggressiveness
is due to upbringing, not nature. You can
teach a child not to hit, and they won't.
To this day, I have an incredibly hard
time hitting anyone for any reason, even a
playful punch on the arm, as I was taught
not to do such things. I never
rough-housed, even with my brother. Now
our verbal fights... much more "violent"
but even then, with no swearing, as that
was not allowed either.
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Cambion
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Posted: 06-24-07 14:05pm
Aggression in kids is due to parenting -
or, in some cases, lack of. With the whole
'gentle (read as 'nonexistant')
discipline' movement, there's a lot more
children who are aggressive and who
allegedly have adhd or any of the other
forms of autism. Of course, when Junior
smacks the cat in the head and Mommy
laughs about it because she doesn't want
to damage his self-esteem by punishing
him, the kid will think it's okay to hurt
others and will move on to hurting humans.
I agree that kids can be taught not to hit
- kids will all, at some point, pick up
hitting. It's just up to the parents to
get off their duffs and make the kid
understand that what they're doing is
wrong.
How would I handle an aggressive kid? Easy
- introduce the back of my hand to his
face. He wants to hit, he's gonna see how
crappy it feels to be on the receiving
end.
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-24-07 22:32pm
so there is no such thing as psychological
problems?
autism, add, adhd are all made up things?
i actually agree with you that children
now a days do not have enough discipline
but to say these other problems do not
exist is irresponsible and untrue.
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mrsbuzski
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Aggresiveness Posted: 06-24-07 23:37pm
Both my parents didn't have a clue what it
was like to raise children.
Both of them were workaholics. but...
One was an alcoholic and one was totally
self centered and all about themself.
I am very thankful that I ended up as
stable as I am today! I could have had
many troubles by my 17th year!
We all try to do better than our parents.
Yes, probably too, we are all a product of
our environment.
We ARE only human and no one is
"perfect"!
So a "temper tantrum" at 2, 12, 22, 42, 62
or 92 is okay.
It is what it is!
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Mommy35
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Posted: 06-25-07 05:38am
I agree that there are kids out there that
'supposedely' have adhd, that some
discipline would cure amazingly enough.
Kids need to learn that hitting the cat or
throwing rocks at the dog next door is not
ok behavior. Imo, children that abuse
animals are vicitms of abuse themselves in
one form or another.
As for the kids with autism, aspergers, or
other illnesses, there is no faking that.
There is no amount of time outs that is
going to make autism or it's symptoms go
away. A lot of those kids are non verbal
and probably have a host of other issues
that will come out later. Hitting is a
way that they express themselves. Sure
they can be taught more appropriate ways
of dealing, but it takes time and
patience.
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Birch
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Posted: 06-25-07 10:21am
Mommy35
wrote:
I agree that there are kids
out there that 'supposedely' have adhd,
that some discipline would cure amazingly
enough. Kids need to learn that hitting
the cat or throwing rocks at the dog next
door is not ok behavior. Imo, children
that abuse animals are vicitms of abuse
themselves in one form or another.
As for the kids with autism, aspergers, or
other illnesses, there is no faking that.
There is no amount of time outs that is
going to make autism or it's symptoms go
away. A lot of those kids are non verbal
and probably have a host of other issues
that will come out later. Hitting is a
way that they express themselves. Sure
they can be taught more appropriate ways
of dealing, but it takes time and
patience.
Agreed!
And I'd like to add after working in psych
services for awhile, adhd is a very "chic"
diagnosis thrown at people left and right,
including adults, when it's actually a
personality issue. (I don't mean
personality disorder-just a hyper kid).
Bipolar is also a very popular diagnosis
these days, too.
Here's how to tell if you or a child has
adhd:
Because it is a chemical disorder, the
body reacts differently than those without
adhd. Just before bedtime, consume
caffiene. A can or pop, a coffee,
whatever. If you can go to sleep with
nary a problem, it is more likely you have
the problem. If you are jittery and have
a hard time, it's less likely.
-This came from a Ph.D in psych, just
fyi.
It's not that did destn't exist,
vanessalouanne, it's that they are
overdiagnosed because people are looking
for a quick fix (meds) instead of working
through the problem.
I bet if you get drugs out of kids
lives-sugar, caffiene, you will see
behavior changes for the better.
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-25-07 12:18pm
i like how i feel personally attacked by
two people on this forum for every post i
type.
i don't disagree with you that it is over
diagnosed and that a change of diet and
discipline are helpful, but i have my
associates degree in early childhood
development and my mother has her masters
in special education and has been teaching
these children for 15 years, along with
problems that my brother has and has had
since age 5 been diagnosed with by a
doctor and seen for regularly for for the
last 13 years.
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Posted: 06-25-07 13:46pm
I used to think children who were
ill-behaved were caused directly by poor
parenting. Now I believe it's about 50%
nature and 50% nurture. I think children
are born with their own personalities and
mennerisms. We, as parents can try to
ameliorate some of the negative aspects of
our children's personalities. My oldest
daughter, the "daisy picker" is very
pokey. She is also very messy. So we try
to help her overcome some of these things.
My younger child is ver short-tempered
(even as a 1 year old) and moody, so we
are trying to help her learn to use words
or signs to indicate her needs and are
trying to help her understand how to
express herself. One thing that I will
not tolerate from my children is
aggression. If they act in this way, they
are removed from the situation until they
can calm themselves.
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Posted: 06-25-07 13:53pm
I have .a.d.h.d, and I am a completely
different person when I am medicated. I
take 72mg of a ritalin derivative daily,
and this stops me from being too quick to
speak, i think things through, and my
speaking slows down immensely.
when a child really does have adhd, it is
not really their fault. they have more
energy than they can handle appropriately.
p.s. there's no such thing as a.d.d. it's
called a.d.h.d--inattentive
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Posted: 06-25-07 14:13pm
Birch
wrote:
Because it is a chemical
disorder, the body reacts differently than
those without adhd. Just before bedtime,
consume caffiene. A can or pop, a coffee,
whatever. If you can go to sleep with
nary a problem, it is more likely you have
the problem. If you are jittery and have
a hard time, it's less likely.
-This came from a Ph.D in psych, just
fyi.
I believe that whole-heartedly. I have
taken aderall(sp) and it did the exact
oposite of what it is prescribed for. I
was up and going going going!
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Posted: 06-25-07 14:33pm
Just wanted to add:
My 5 y.o. had her second temper tantrum
ever a couple of weeks ago because I
wanted her to clean up her mess that she
had made. She was so angry. She said "I
feel so mad I feel like I want to hit
you!" So I gave her a huge hug and
congratulated her on being able to voice
this and identify her feelings. I told
her that some grown-ups can't even do
that. She wasn't mad for very long after
that.
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Posted: 06-25-07 15:20pm
I have a friend who has genuine add as
well, and believe me, he is a very
different person off ritalin. He can focus
and do school work on ritalin, he' an
honors student with all a's in college.
When he was a little kid, he literally
could not sit still. He didn't even have a
seat at his desk because he could not stay
down. His teachers thought he was mentally
disabled because they couldn't get him to
retain anything. Well, an iq test finally
ruled out that, as he was actually
incredibly intelligent. He got put on
ritalin, and has been a model student ever
since.
I've seen the change in his attention span
myself. He can be quite annoying off his
meds because you'll tell him to stop doing
something annoying, like tapping on the
table, and he'll go "okay!" and two
minutes later he's doing it again. he's
not a bad dude, he just needs ritalin to
help his brain work right.
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Cambion
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Posted: 06-25-07 20:07pm
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As for the kids
with autism, aspergers, or other
illnesses, there is no faking
that.
There is when the kids don't actually have
it. Cases of childhood autism have gone up
850 percent in the last 20 years or so,
and isn't it funny that autism is more
diagnosed than ever, even though those
evil vaccines that allegedly cause the
condition are no longer used? A majority
of the cases of childhood autism are not
real - it's just parents who are too
stupid and lazy to discipline their kids
and they fele it's easier to put snookums
chest-deep in medication to keep him
bearable.
Autism is definitely real, but not nearly
as many kids who get diagnosed with it
actually have it, and the parents who just
medicate their kids to shut them up ought
to be ashamed of themselves.
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Posted: 06-26-07 09:38am
Although I would admit that perhaps autism
and add/adhd are over-diagnosed, they are
very real problems. Autism is indeed on
the rise in our country, and they are
having a hard time figuring out exactly
why. It was an interesting finding
several years ago that cases of autism
were highest in silicon valley, although,
medical personnel are still not sure why.
there is no medication for autism, unless
it is combined with a certain degree of
psychotic illness as well. So whether all
children diagnosed with autism are truly
autistic is up for debate, but the fact
that the incidence is rising is a fact.
Maybe we are better at diagnosing the
problem.
Parents who have their children tested for
autism are not necessarily lazy parents.
In fact, parents have usually tried
everything they can think of to help their
child before getting them tested, as no
parent really wants that as a diagnosis
for their child.
I think that a lot of times rambunctious
children with behavior issues are, indeed
diagnosed with add/adhd when, in fact, the
problem lies in parenting, behavior
issues, and a myriad of other problems. I
do not, however believe that all kids (or
adults) diagnosed with add.adhd need to be
medicated if they can be taught how to
self-regulate. My dh has adhd, and he was
on meds as a kid but they made him freak
out like that clock in Alice In Wonderland
at the mad tea party or something. He
does not take anything, and he does fine.
He does do the incessant tapping
sometimes, and is distracted by things,
but I would rather have himlike this than
freaked out or doped up.