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javatif

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Frustrated - 3 Kidneys
Posted: 06-28-07 17:17pm

Wondering if anyone out there can relate. Just here to share my story and vent. About 1 yr ago I was diagnosed w/ a bicornate uterus - apparently anomalys of the uterus are associated w/ anomalys of the renal system (who knew?) - so I was sent in for an IVP. During the exam - I was shuttled in for a CT ...I was mortified when it seemed like the entire hospital staff came in for a "peek" at what the monitors showed. The Dx is that I have 3 kidneys (Supernumerary kidneys) - apparently the most rare of renal anomalies. Left is "normal" (30% function - no explanation) Right side has two kidneys, one is partial and they are fused. (function 35%) Right side has suffered hydro., is dialated and there are two ureters that fuse to before the bladder (wishbone effect) - also severly dialted. I have history of UTI, bladder and kidney infection. Angry that with my past - this was never discovered before. This condition puts me at high risk for infection, stones and CKD. I was put on a low sodium / "easy to digest" protein diet to maintain kidney health. Urine regularly shows trace protein and blood but doc. says 24 hr. collection isn't necessary. Creat. & BUN are normal/high - Dr. says my condition may "skew" results but "believes" this is fine. After inital shock and life changes - I have come to accept this is the way I am as optimistically as I can. This week has been tough - I'm battling another kidney infection (4th since diagnosis). Flank pain and exhausted. I want to see a nephrologist but my urologist strongly discourages it. What is his deal? I wonder if my condition clouds his judgement or if he really doesn't know what to do with me. I am tired of the antibiotics, tired of the fear and tired of the unanswered questions. Its hard to be optimistic when you don't feel good and I just really needed a place to "let it out." Thanks for listening.
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mc4ever02

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Posted: 06-29-07 11:48am

I can completely understand why you are frustrated. It seems like one to many doctors are telling you that they just don't know. Which can be very discouraging when they are suppose to be educating us about our problems, not the other way around.

I have no experience with this diagnoses, so I'm afraid that I can not be of much help. But, I hope that someone will be able to offer you some advice. Have they discussed the possibility of surgically removing the third kidney or, because they are fused, would it be to risky.

Even with these issues, you can still become pregnant. Have you seen a reproductive endocrinologist?

Sorry that I couldn't be of more help. But, we are always here to listen!
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aflsh

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Posted: 06-29-07 18:16pm

I can sort of relate to the 'frustration part'. I don't have 3 kidneys, but I did have an obstruction that caused alot of flank pain. They did surgery but I ended up losing function in that kidney. I am now in your position where they want to just wait and see. I have been to a urologist and they don't want to do any more. They won't refer me to a nephrologist either. I also have Diabetes 2. As long as the creatinine is within normal levels they won't do anything. I deal with the fatigue and pain too. Go ahead and vent. I hear you!!
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javatif

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Posted: 07-01-07 23:05pm

Thank you so much for the support. Today is a better day but it means a lot to have somewhere to go when you get overwhelmed by it all. I try to put on a brave face for my friends, family, the world and even that gets exhausting at times. Thank you - thank you - thank you for allowing me to be less than strong for a moment. To answer your ?'s -

MC- You should know I have 2 amazing children (ages 5&9) Very
Happy and I've never had trouble getting PG. My issue has always been with carrying to term Sad . Last yr. after another PG disappointment drs. investigated to find the bicornate uterus - they said my children were true miracle stories. In any case - the DX is what led them to research my kidneys. I guess there is a part of us that grows in utero thats called the mullerian ducts. They create the kidneys, ureters and the female uterus. If something goes wrong with the mullerian ducts during develpment - it is likely you will have a birth defects in all of the areas. I guess I'm living proof - Confused

Re: surgery Believe me, as scary as it sounds a nephrectomy is an option in my book if it improves my quality of life. The fusion of the 2 does not make it anymore risky as far as I know - I believe the concern is - the "main" kidney on that side is severly damaged...I think the concern is how it would function alone if at all. My left side (the good side) is already only at 30%. I don't know which is the lesser of 2 evils and I think the docs. are playing the same guessing game - the 3rd kidney is the source of a lot of trouble - but without it...who knows?

Aflsh - It sounds like you were in similar circumstances re: surgery. Did they discover what was blocking the kidney? Did they discover what caused it to lose function post surgery? Do you know what the function is on your other side?

Wishing you both well...
Thank you - thank you - thank you again!!!!
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aflsh

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Posted: 07-04-07 23:26pm

Your welcome anytime. I can relate to how frustrating it can be. I too, have good days and bad. I have had several cystoscopies and it never shows anything. The same as you, my creatinine is within limits so they don't do anything. I was born with this defect, apparently, it was a kink in the ureter at the junction of the kidney. I don't know why they won't remove it when it doesn't function. Now it has at least 3 big cysts on it. I get tired as well. My other kidney always appears normal in every test. I hope everything works out for you. Keep in touch.
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hatfield

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Posted: 08-02-07 09:18am

Hi. I was born with 1 kidney. I have an abnormality of the mullerian duct. Am missing my uterus completely, my left kidney, left ovaries, left tubes. Everything. Seems like the opposite of you. Am scared of the day I have any trouble with my kidney because I have no backup. I'm sorry you are going through this. It sounds painful and confusing. Stay strong though. I hope you feel better soon.
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superone

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Posted: 10-15-07 18:02pm

javatif:

Please read the question that I just posted about myself today....I can undestand and completely relate...

"I am a 39 yo female with the following urinary tract abnormalities, (per several specialists): Supernumerary fused right kidney, ectopic, lies in the iliac crest and pelvis, with 2 additional renal arteries. Kidney is malrotated -anteriorly, with a single ureter draping over the kidney and then "s" curving, almost a hard 90 degrees before entering the bladder.

My problems began 4 years ago when I went to my MD with what I thought was a pulled lower back muscle on my right side. Not so, he found anomaly and sent me to specialists. In the last 4 years I have had numerous UTI's, persistent flank pain, and passed several stones. MD's are very fascinated by the anomaly but cannot find issue with the kidney. Glad for that! However, one MD relieved pain somewhat. She believed pain was neuropathic pain and I now take a small daily dose of Nortriptyline. It has helped, but....

My question is this...Can the ureter in the position it is in and it's travel to the bladder cause some of my problems such as reflux, obstruction, UTI's, and pain??"

We are a rare few in which the answers are even rarer...
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sarahi

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Posted: 10-18-07 12:01pm

Thank God I just have lots of stones (30-50 inthe last 3 months) but the Dr's don't seem to know what is going on. I'm looking forward to Friday I have been sent to the nephrologist. I can't believe you haven't seen one yet. I think you should do what you have to to see one. What is the worst thing that can happen? He/She could say "I can't do anything" but you might get some answers? Your primary can give you a referal. Remember this is your health and the Dr's work for you if your not getting an answer get a new Dr. Make sure you have copies of all tests that have been done to take with you. Hope this helps.

By the way has any one heard of stones made of Protein and what couses them?
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2cchetti

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I am pretty sure I know what causes protein stones
Posted: 03-27-08 20:00pm

BTW Sarahi. I am passing stones out of both kidneys & my gallbladder. Real fun, only your calcium oxcolate stones will show up on any imaging device, protein stones are invisible.
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