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Comfort Or Cry It Out?
Posted: 06-29-07 11:23am

I'm talking about a baby over 4 months.
Should you continue to get up with them, rock them, feed them, walk with them, etc. for them to fall back asleep each time they get up .O.R at that point when you know they're no longer getting up for a bottle, but for comfort should you let them cry it out? By crying it out I mean ferberizing, sleep lady shuffle, just plain ol crying it out, etc.

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Posted: 06-29-07 11:28am

i always allow a certain amount of time (10-15 minutes)
and listen carefully for the kind of cry that they give.
i do believe you have to let them cry it out though or youll never get them on a sleep schedule which is vital for both you and the baby
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Posted: 06-29-07 11:32am

vanessalouanne wrote:
i always allow a certain amount of time (10-15 minutes)
and listen carefully for the kind of cry that they give.
i do believe you have to let them cry it out though or youll never get them on a sleep schedule which is vital for both you and the baby


My baby is on a sleep schedule. She naps at 11 and at 3 and she goes to bed at 7:30 and sleeps until 7:30. However, she does wake up 2-3 times a night for comfort from me or my husband. We either walk around the room with her, rock her, or give her a bottle to fall back asleep. I never let her cry it out, she still wakes up, and she's on a schedule.
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Posted: 06-29-07 11:36am

in my opinion, 10-15 minutes is too long. that must seem like forever to a crying baby who's wondering why nobody's coming to their rescue.

thankfully i have a baby who doesn't cry so i've never had to try any cio methods. i don't think i could do it though. just the thought of a baby having to cry itself to sleep breaks my heart.
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Posted: 06-29-07 11:40am

I think you should comfort a crying baby, never leave them to 'cry it out', to me thats really cruel and I never did it no matter how tired I was.
A crying baby obviously has a reason to do so, they cant tell us what the reason is but there is one or they wouldnt do it. Just because we dont always know the reason, I dont think its ok to ignore them. Shocked Thats what crying it out is, said simply, ignoring their distressed cries until they have worn themselves out crying so much they fall asleep.
Cruel.
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Posted: 06-29-07 11:50am

During the first year, children learn trust verse mistrust. When you leave your children to cry for a long period of time, they often learn that crying doesn't do anything and no one will meet their needs. I am not talking about letting babies cry for five minutes. When you go into many orphanages, you may hear silence - very little crying. They have learned that crying doesn't help - their needs don't get met. This is often times a sign of the start of an attachment disorder. I am not saying that parents who believe in letting their kids cry it out will have kids with an attachment disorder. It takes a lot for kids to develop this disorder.

I think as they get a little older, it's alright to let them cry it out for a longer period of time. What that time frame is....I haven't really decided and I haven't read a lot of research on it.

I have used the five minute rule personally with my son. After a month or two, I didn't pick him up immediately after every little cry but would wait for five minutes. It also depended on the type of cry.

At four months, I used the five minute rule _ not that I had a timer with me. I usually used that when I just knew he was tired and it was the "I am tired" cry. Perhaps sometimes I waited a little bit longer, but not too long.


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Posted: 06-29-07 11:52am

Even though on some tired nights when I think about how I've been getting up with her for months on end and I don't know when it'll stop I think to myself that maybe it's just easier to let her cry.
At the same time I realize that all she wants is my comfort and reassurance that I'm still there and she relies on me to put her back to sleep.
Can you imagine what she'd feel like if after all these months of me comforting her and letting her fall asleep warm and comfy in my arms, I'd just leave her there in her crib to cry and cry and cry and wonder, "Where mommy? She always comes get me. Is she still here? I must be all by myself". I know she wouldn't be thinking that exactly, but she'd be feeling it. It makes me cry thinking that I could hurt my child in that way. I'll never do it. I just pray everyday that things get better. I know it can't last forever, she'll eventually sleep all night again.
If I have to do it for all of my children and never sleep longer than 3 hours at a time for the next 7 years, that's fine with me.

I'm happy to be the soft, warm spot that she falls asleep on every night. Imagine taking a warm bath, getting comfy and falling asleep drinking a bottle in your mother's arms. That must be the best feeling in the world to her and I won't take that away until she's ready.
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Posted: 06-29-07 11:56am

ladylee70 wrote:


At four months, I used the five minute rule _ not that I had a timer with me. I usually used that when I just knew he was tired and it was the "I am tired" cry. Perhaps sometimes I waited a little bit longer, but not too long.


I don't understand. What would you do at 5 minutes?
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:03pm

im more talking along the age of 12 months.. maybe i should of clarified.

erickson theory of trust vs mistrust is birth to 18 months.

and im talking about after all basic needs are met, such as the baby is fed, changed, held, ect.

this has nothing to do with me being tired, im talking about putting the baby on a schedule. you can tell a tired cry from a cry of hurt or hunger.

this is what ive done in the past and ive been met with huge success. the baby gets a more fufilling nights rest. the crying usually only last for 2 weeks or less before the baby associates being put in the crib with bed time.

this is how i will put my daughter on a time schedule.
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:03pm

jessesgirl wrote:
Even though on some tired nights when I think about how I've been getting up with her for months on end and I don't know when it'll stop I think to myself that maybe it's just easier to let her cry.
At the same time I realize that all she wants is my comfort and reassurance that I'm still there and she relies on me to put her back to sleep.
Can you imagine what she'd feel like if after all these months of me comforting her and letting her fall asleep warm and comfy in my arms, I'd just leave her there in her crib to cry and cry and cry and wonder, "Where mommy? She always comes get me. Is she still here? I must be all by myself". I know she wouldn't be thinking that exactly, but she'd be feeling it. It makes me cry thinking that I could hurt my child in that way. I'll never do it. I just pray everyday that things get better. I know it can't last forever, she'll eventually sleep all night again.
If I have to do it for all of my children and never sleep longer than 3 hours at a time for the next 7 years, that's fine with me.

I'm happy to be the soft, warm spot that she falls asleep on every night. Imagine taking a warm bath, getting comfy and falling asleep drinking a bottle in your mother's arms. That must be the best feeling in the world to her and I won't take that away until she's ready.


awwee you sound like a great mama! Smile
jay had colic where he would cry all night sleeping 30 minutes -2 hours maximum at a time and then wake up crying again, he was like that at night for the first 3 months!
I was 17, a single mum, homeless - living in 1 room at a shelter and struggling with an illness. I still managed to comfort him when he needed me to.
I dont miss those early days Laughing
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:07pm

vanessalouanne wrote:
im more talking along the age of 12 months.. maybe i should of clarified.

erickson theory of trust vs mistrust is birth to 18 months.

and im talking about after all basic needs are met, such as the baby is fed, changed, held, ect.

this has nothing to do with me being tired, im talking about putting the baby on a schedule. you can tell a tired cry from a cry of hurt or hunger.

this is what ive done in the past and ive been met with huge success. the baby gets a more fufilling nights rest. the crying usually only last for 2 weeks or less before the baby associates being put in the crib with bed time.

this is how i will put my daughter on a time schedule.


Well Ava's on a schedule without sleeping through the night. She actually sleeps from 7:30 to 7:30, but wakes up 2-3 times. During that time she's only up 15 minutes at the max. She barely opens her eyes.
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:10pm

its also a process. you dont just all of a sudden leave the baby to self sooth right away. you start with small periods of time. you have a bedtime routine..for example bath, bottle, cuddling then lay the baby down gradually for a longer period of time. you still pat the baby and rub your baby you just dont pick them up. this way the baby learns to self sooth and that crying at bed time is responded to with a brief check from you, but not being picked up.

this way the baby's trust isnt lost. they know youll be there, but in a different way.

a well rested baby is a happy baby
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:11pm

jessesgirl wrote:
vanessalouanne wrote:
im more talking along the age of 12 months.. maybe i should of clarified.

erickson theory of trust vs mistrust is birth to 18 months.

and im talking about after all basic needs are met, such as the baby is fed, changed, held, ect.

this has nothing to do with me being tired, im talking about putting the baby on a schedule. you can tell a tired cry from a cry of hurt or hunger.

this is what ive done in the past and ive been met with huge success. the baby gets a more fufilling nights rest. the crying usually only last for 2 weeks or less before the baby associates being put in the crib with bed time.

this is how i will put my daughter on a time schedule.


Well Ava's on a schedule without sleeping through the night. She actually sleeps from 7:30 to 7:30, but wakes up 2-3 times. During that time she's only up 15 minutes at the max. She barely opens her eyes.




but how will you get her out of the routine of waking up for 15 minutes twice a night?
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:14pm

Her biggest problem is that she has a suck to sleep association, which means that she initially falls asleep sucking her bottle and that's how she expects to fall asleep when he has a night waking. We're trying to break that association, I read the no cry sleep solution and that's where I got the tips on how to break it. She's actually getting better without doing anything. She was waking up every 3 hours, now it's every 4 or 5 hours. I hear her or feel her (she sometimes sleeps with us) stirring and if I don't move, she'll go back to sleep on her own, but sometimes she won't.
I will try to break that suck to sleep association and if that doesn't do the trick, then I'll just wait it out until she matures. I'm not letting her cry.
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:16pm

thats your choice completely and im not going to say your wrong in it at all. i think this is a very personal decision.
does she sleep with a bottle or pacifier?
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:19pm

No bottle. After she's finish sucking and falls asleep I take it out. I sometimes give her a pacifier first before I pick her up to see if that'll help her go back to sleep. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and I have to pick her up. She rarely sucks her pacifier.
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Posted: 06-29-07 14:26pm

i think i would err on the side of comforting my baby, at least the first year. i'm going to have to learn about all of this stuff, i'm still stuck on pregnancy mode but baby is coming soon. is there a difference, do you think, with babies who are breastfed and those that are bottle fed? i'm already up 4 or 5 times every night, and will be continuing to be up all night breastfeeding, so it won't be bothering me that much to miss some sleep waking up with the baby. i've seen stories about those kids in the orphanages and they are heartwrenching. i like what jessesgirl said about being the soft warm spot. that's exactly how i feel about it too. i have a second cousin who had a baby when she was 15 and when i babysat her i was so shocked that she never cried. she would wake up in the morning, as a little baby and not make a sound. she would just lay there and wait because she knew if she cried her mom would just ignore her. it was so sad.
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Posted: 06-29-07 14:38pm

jessesgirl wrote:
ladylee70 wrote:


At four months, I used the five minute rule _ not that I had a timer with me. I usually used that when I just knew he was tired and it was the "I am tired" cry. Perhaps sometimes I waited a little bit longer, but not too long.


I don't understand. What would you do at 5 minutes?


Ha ha!! I wasn't clear, sorry. I am talking more about the "tired" cry. Sometimes babies just need a little time to cry before falling asleep. If after five minutes, the baby is still crying then I would get up and try to comfort him some more. I am talking more about a younger child around four months old. During the first few months, I would usually pick him up whenever he seemed distressed. I was still trying to figure out his cries. I often couldn't tell what his cries meant. I was still getting used to everything.

Nathan really didn't cry that much. He was such a good self soother. He practically came out sucking his thumb. When he started to cry, he would usually put his thumb in his mouth and suck away. On our first ultrasound with him, he was sucking his thumb. I have had many ultrasounds with this one and have yet to see him sucking his thumb. I wonder if there will be a huge difference. Perhaps this one won't be as good about self soothing and maybe more of a crier.

I agree with Vanessa about a child around 12 months. I am certain I let nathan cry it out longer when he was older. I could usually tell if Nathan had a hungry cry or a tired cry when he was older. It is a process as Vanessa stated. I would sometimes just go into the room and rub Nathan's back but not pick him up. Other times, I would just let him see me but I wouldn't touch him. I would sometimes just turn the mobile on again and that seemed to work. As he got older, I wanted to be really careful not to pick him up every time he cried yet still showed him I was there to comfort him.

It would be so difficult to have a colicky baby. I felt lucky with nathan in that he actually hardly cried. My brother and sister in law had a very colicky baby and they were quite exhausted. Now that would be extremely difficult.

Jessesgirl (I briefly forgot your name!). you sound like you are doing a great job!!!

I had to feed nathan every two hours at night for the first few months whereas my friends who gave formula only had children that slept a lot longer.
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Posted: 06-29-07 14:43pm

kaerbear wrote:
...... i was so shocked that she never cried. she would wake up in the morning, as a little baby and not make a sound. she would just lay there and wait because she knew if she cried her mom would just ignore her. it was so sad.


That is heartbreaking. She must have really let her cry all the time. I wonder how that person is doing today? Do you know. Just curious.
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Posted: 06-29-07 14:44pm

ladylee70 wrote:
I had to feed nathan every two hours at night for the first few months whereas my friends who gave formula only had children that slept a lot longer.


Ditto.
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