I'm talking about a baby over 4 months.
Should you continue to get up with them,
rock them, feed them, walk with them, etc.
for them to fall back asleep each time
they get up .O.R at that point when you
know they're no longer getting up for a
bottle, but for comfort should you let
them cry it out? By crying it out I mean
ferberizing, sleep lady shuffle, just
plain ol crying it out, etc.
edited for a grammatical error
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-29-07 11:28am
i always allow a certain amount of time
(10-15 minutes)
and listen carefully for the kind of cry
that they give.
i do believe you have to let them cry it
out though or youll never get them on a
sleep schedule which is vital for both you
and the baby
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Posted: 06-29-07 11:32am
vanessalouanne
wrote:
i always allow a certain
amount of time (10-15 minutes)
and listen carefully for the kind of cry
that they give.
i do believe you have to let them cry it
out though or youll never get them on a
sleep schedule which is vital for both you
and the baby
My baby is on a sleep schedule. She naps
at 11 and at 3 and she goes to bed at 7:30
and sleeps until 7:30. However, she does
wake up 2-3 times a night for comfort from
me or my husband. We either walk around
the room with her, rock her, or give her a
bottle to fall back asleep. I never let
her cry it out, she still wakes up, and
she's on a schedule.
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Bridget
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Posted: 06-29-07 11:36am
in my opinion, 10-15 minutes is too long.
that must seem like forever to a crying
baby who's wondering why nobody's coming
to their rescue.
thankfully i have a baby who doesn't cry
so i've never had to try any cio methods.
i don't think i could do it though. just
the thought of a baby having to cry itself
to sleep breaks my heart.
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sick_mama17
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Posted: 06-29-07 11:40am
I think you should comfort a crying baby,
never leave them to 'cry it out', to me
thats really cruel and I never did it no
matter how tired I was.
A crying baby obviously has a reason to do
so, they cant tell us what the reason is
but there is one or they wouldnt do it.
Just because we dont always know the
reason, I dont think its ok to ignore
them. Thats what crying
it out is, said simply, ignoring their
distressed cries until they have worn
themselves out crying so much they fall
asleep.
Cruel.
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Posted: 06-29-07 11:50am
During the first year, children learn
trust verse mistrust. When you leave your
children to cry for a long period of time,
they often learn that crying doesn't do
anything and no one will meet their needs.
I am not talking about letting babies cry
for five minutes. When you go into many
orphanages, you may hear silence - very
little crying. They have learned that
crying doesn't help - their needs don't
get met. This is often times a sign of the
start of an attachment disorder. I am not
saying that parents who believe in letting
their kids cry it out will have kids with
an attachment disorder. It takes a lot for
kids to develop this disorder.
I think as they get a little older, it's
alright to let them cry it out for a
longer period of time. What that time
frame is....I haven't really decided and I
haven't read a lot of research on it.
I have used the five minute rule
personally with my son. After a month or
two, I didn't pick him up immediately
after every little cry but would wait for
five minutes. It also depended on the type
of cry.
At four months, I used the five minute
rule _ not that I had a timer with me. I
usually used that when I just knew he was
tired and it was the "I am tired" cry.
Perhaps sometimes I waited a little bit
longer, but not too long.
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Posted: 06-29-07 11:52am
Even though on some tired nights when I
think about how I've been getting up with
her for months on end and I don't know
when it'll stop I think to myself that
maybe it's just easier to let her cry.
At the same time I realize that all she
wants is my comfort and reassurance that
I'm still there and she relies on me to
put her back to sleep.
Can you imagine what she'd feel like if
after all these months of me comforting
her and letting her fall asleep warm and
comfy in my arms, I'd just leave her there
in her crib to cry and cry and cry and
wonder, "Where mommy? She always comes
get me. Is she still here? I must be all
by myself". I know she wouldn't be
thinking that exactly, but she'd be
feeling it. It makes me cry thinking that
I could hurt my child in that way. I'll
never do it. I just pray everyday that
things get better. I know it can't last
forever, she'll eventually sleep all night
again.
If I have to do it for all of my children
and never sleep longer than 3 hours at a
time for the next 7 years, that's fine
with me.
I'm happy to be the soft, warm spot that
she falls asleep on every night. Imagine
taking a warm bath, getting comfy and
falling asleep drinking a bottle in your
mother's arms. That must be the best
feeling in the world to her and I won't
take that away until she's ready.
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Posted: 06-29-07 11:56am
ladylee70
wrote:
At four months, I used the five minute
rule _ not that I had a timer with me. I
usually used that when I just knew he was
tired and it was the "I am tired" cry.
Perhaps sometimes I waited a little bit
longer, but not too
long.
I don't understand. What would you do at
5 minutes?
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:03pm
im more talking along the age of 12
months.. maybe i should of clarified.
erickson theory of trust vs mistrust is
birth to 18 months.
and im talking about after all basic needs
are met, such as the baby is fed, changed,
held, ect.
this has nothing to do with me being
tired, im talking about putting the baby
on a schedule. you can tell a tired cry
from a cry of hurt or hunger.
this is what ive done in the past and ive
been met with huge success. the baby gets
a more fufilling nights rest. the crying
usually only last for 2 weeks or less
before the baby associates being put in
the crib with bed time.
this is how i will put my daughter on a
time schedule.
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:03pm
jessesgirl
wrote:
Even though on some tired
nights when I think about how I've been
getting up with her for months on end and
I don't know when it'll stop I think to
myself that maybe it's just easier to let
her cry.
At the same time I realize that all she
wants is my comfort and reassurance that
I'm still there and she relies on me to
put her back to sleep.
Can you imagine what she'd feel like if
after all these months of me comforting
her and letting her fall asleep warm and
comfy in my arms, I'd just leave her there
in her crib to cry and cry and cry and
wonder, "Where mommy? She always comes
get me. Is she still here? I must be all
by myself". I know she wouldn't be
thinking that exactly, but she'd be
feeling it. It makes me cry thinking that
I could hurt my child in that way. I'll
never do it. I just pray everyday that
things get better. I know it can't last
forever, she'll eventually sleep all night
again.
If I have to do it for all of my children
and never sleep longer than 3 hours at a
time for the next 7 years, that's fine
with me.
I'm happy to be the soft, warm spot that
she falls asleep on every night. Imagine
taking a warm bath, getting comfy and
falling asleep drinking a bottle in your
mother's arms. That must be the best
feeling in the world to her and I won't
take that away until she's
ready.
awwee you sound like a great mama!
jay had colic where he would cry all night
sleeping 30 minutes -2 hours maximum at a
time and then wake up crying again, he was
like that at night for the first 3 months!
I was 17, a single mum, homeless - living
in 1 room at a shelter and struggling with
an illness. I still managed to comfort him
when he needed me to.
I dont miss those early days
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:07pm
vanessalouanne
wrote:
im more talking along the
age of 12 months.. maybe i should of
clarified.
erickson theory of trust vs mistrust is
birth to 18 months.
and im talking about after all basic needs
are met, such as the baby is fed, changed,
held, ect.
this has nothing to do with me being
tired, im talking about putting the baby
on a schedule. you can tell a tired cry
from a cry of hurt or hunger.
this is what ive done in the past and ive
been met with huge success. the baby gets
a more fufilling nights rest. the crying
usually only last for 2 weeks or less
before the baby associates being put in
the crib with bed time.
this is how i will put my daughter on a
time
schedule.
Well Ava's on a schedule without sleeping
through the night. She actually sleeps
from 7:30 to 7:30, but wakes up 2-3 times.
During that time she's only up 15 minutes
at the max. She barely opens her eyes.
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:10pm
its also a process. you dont just all of
a sudden leave the baby to self sooth
right away. you start with small periods
of time. you have a bedtime routine..for
example bath, bottle, cuddling then lay
the baby down gradually for a longer
period of time. you still pat the baby
and rub your baby you just dont pick them
up. this way the baby learns to self
sooth and that crying at bed time is
responded to with a brief check from you,
but not being picked up.
this way the baby's trust isnt lost. they
know youll be there, but in a different
way.
a well rested baby is a happy baby
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:11pm
jessesgirl
wrote:
vanessalouanne
wrote:
im more talking along the
age of 12 months.. maybe i should of
clarified.
erickson theory of trust vs mistrust is
birth to 18 months.
and im talking about after all basic needs
are met, such as the baby is fed, changed,
held, ect.
this has nothing to do with me being
tired, im talking about putting the baby
on a schedule. you can tell a tired cry
from a cry of hurt or hunger.
this is what ive done in the past and ive
been met with huge success. the baby gets
a more fufilling nights rest. the crying
usually only last for 2 weeks or less
before the baby associates being put in
the crib with bed time.
this is how i will put my daughter on a
time
schedule.
Well Ava's on a schedule without sleeping
through the night. She actually sleeps
from 7:30 to 7:30, but wakes up 2-3 times.
During that time she's only up 15 minutes
at the max. She barely opens her
eyes.
but how will you get her out of the
routine of waking up for 15 minutes twice
a night?
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:14pm
Her biggest problem is that she has a suck
to sleep association, which means that she
initially falls asleep sucking her bottle
and that's how she expects to fall asleep
when he has a night waking. We're trying
to break that association, I read the no
cry sleep solution and that's where I got
the tips on how to break it. She's
actually getting better without doing
anything. She was waking up every 3
hours, now it's every 4 or 5 hours. I
hear her or feel her (she sometimes sleeps
with us) stirring and if I don't move,
she'll go back to sleep on her own, but
sometimes she won't.
I will try to break that suck to sleep
association and if that doesn't do the
trick, then I'll just wait it out until
she matures. I'm not letting her cry.
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:16pm
thats your choice completely and im not
going to say your wrong in it at all. i
think this is a very personal decision.
does she sleep with a bottle or pacifier?
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Posted: 06-29-07 12:19pm
No bottle. After she's finish sucking and
falls asleep I take it out. I sometimes
give her a pacifier first before I pick
her up to see if that'll help her go back
to sleep. Sometimes it works, sometimes
it doesn't and I have to pick her up. She
rarely sucks her pacifier.
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Posted: 06-29-07 14:26pm
i think i would err on the side of
comforting my baby, at least the first
year. i'm going to have to learn about
all of this stuff, i'm still stuck on
pregnancy mode but baby is coming soon.
is there a difference, do you think, with
babies who are breastfed and those that
are bottle fed? i'm already up 4 or 5
times every night, and will be continuing
to be up all night breastfeeding, so it
won't be bothering me that much to miss
some sleep waking up with the baby. i've
seen stories about those kids in the
orphanages and they are heartwrenching. i
like what jessesgirl said about being the
soft warm spot. that's exactly how i feel
about it too. i have a second cousin who
had a baby when she was 15 and when i
babysat her i was so shocked that she
never cried. she would wake up in the
morning, as a little baby and not make a
sound. she would just lay there and wait
because she knew if she cried her mom
would just ignore her. it was so sad.
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Posted: 06-29-07 14:38pm
jessesgirl
wrote:
ladylee70
wrote:
At four months, I used the five minute
rule _ not that I had a timer with me. I
usually used that when I just knew he was
tired and it was the "I am tired" cry.
Perhaps sometimes I waited a little bit
longer, but not too
long.
I don't understand. What would you do at
5 minutes?
Ha ha!! I wasn't clear, sorry. I am
talking more about the "tired" cry.
Sometimes babies just need a little time
to cry before falling asleep. If after
five minutes, the baby is still crying
then I would get up and try to comfort him
some more. I am talking more about a
younger child around four months old.
During the first few months, I would
usually pick him up whenever he seemed
distressed. I was still trying to figure
out his cries. I often couldn't tell what
his cries meant. I was still getting used
to everything.
Nathan really didn't cry that much. He was
such a good self soother. He practically
came out sucking his thumb. When he
started to cry, he would usually put his
thumb in his mouth and suck away. On our
first ultrasound with him, he was sucking
his thumb. I have had many ultrasounds
with this one and have yet to see him
sucking his thumb. I wonder if there will
be a huge difference. Perhaps this one
won't be as good about self soothing and
maybe more of a crier.
I agree with Vanessa about a child around
12 months. I am certain I let nathan cry
it out longer when he was older. I could
usually tell if Nathan had a hungry cry or
a tired cry when he was older. It is a
process as Vanessa stated. I would
sometimes just go into the room and rub
Nathan's back but not pick him up. Other
times, I would just let him see me but I
wouldn't touch him. I would sometimes just
turn the mobile on again and that seemed
to work. As he got older, I wanted to be
really careful not to pick him up every
time he cried yet still showed him I was
there to comfort him.
It would be so difficult to have a colicky
baby. I felt lucky with nathan in that he
actually hardly cried. My brother and
sister in law had a very colicky baby and
they were quite exhausted. Now that would
be extremely difficult.
Jessesgirl (I briefly forgot your name!).
you sound like you are doing a great
job!!!
I had to feed nathan every two hours at
night for the first few months whereas my
friends who gave formula only had children
that slept a lot longer.
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Posted: 06-29-07 14:43pm
kaerbear
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...... i was so shocked that
she never cried. she would wake up in the
morning, as a little baby and not make a
sound. she would just lay there and wait
because she knew if she cried her mom
would just ignore her. it was so
sad.
That is heartbreaking. She must have
really let her cry all the time. I wonder
how that person is doing today? Do you
know. Just curious.
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Posted: 06-29-07 14:44pm
ladylee70
wrote:
I had to feed nathan every
two hours at night for the first few
months whereas my friends who gave formula
only had children that slept a lot
longer.