Kids Cleaning Public School Toilets???? Posted: 06-30-07 11:44am
I am here in Japan where the culture is to
let elementrary, junior, senior high
school kids clean the toilets in their
schools.
Me and my wife are having a debate. She
thinks the kids can take the proper
percautions to prevent from catching the
many germs and diseases that can be found
in a public school.
I on the other hand think a professional
cleaner, of course an adult(paid proper
wages), should be the one cleaning public
school toilets. I do not see school
toilets as a hot bed of diseases that my
wife is accusing me of, but I do see it as
a needless danger.
I would love for people to post their
opinions on the subject. Is it ok to let
children to clean toilets? Why or why
not??
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Makoto
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Posted: 06-30-07 12:09pm
NO
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nvrgv^
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Japanese Thinking Posted: 07-02-07 14:39pm
In Japan, they believe that making the
students clean their own toilets teaches
them a thing or two about real world
struggle, as wwell as good bathroom
ediquette. For example, they do not want
to make the bathroom messy because they
know that they themselves will be cleaning
it up, and do not want to make it harder
on themselves. I think this is a good
idea, because it teaches students early on
how to work and clean up after themselves
before they learn at home.
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kaerbear
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Re: Japanese Thinking Posted: 07-02-07 14:50pm
nvrgv^
wrote:
In Japan, they believe that
making the students clean their own
toilets teaches them a thing or two about
real world struggle, as wwell as good
bathroom ediquette. For example, they do
not want to make the bathroom messy
because they know that they themselves
will be cleaning it up, and do not want to
make it harder on themselves. I think this
is a good idea, because it teaches
students early on how to work and clean up
after themselves before they learn at
home.
you know, i've been to the elementary
school where my mom teaches quite a few
times and have used the washrooms there
and they are always disgusting. i have to
agree with you that if the kids themselves
had to participate in the cleanup of their
bathrooms maybe they wouldn't leave them
in such a state. i have seen some
programs on tv and have talked to people
who have travelled to japan to teach and
such and they tell me there is such a
difference in how kids are taught to think
of the group first and the individual
second. it's such an alien concept here
in north america to put others before
yourself and i think we could use a little
more of that here. i guess it depends on
if it's coming at the expense of their
studies or not. if it is teaching them a
valuable lesson and life skill i don't see
it being harmful as long as their health
is being taken into account.
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jenn_smithson
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Re: Japanese Thinking Posted: 07-02-07 18:51pm
kaerbear
wrote:
nvrgv^
wrote:
In Japan, they believe that
making the students clean their own
toilets teaches them a thing or two about
real world struggle, as wwell as good
bathroom ediquette. For example, they do
not want to make the bathroom messy
because they know that they themselves
will be cleaning it up, and do not want to
make it harder on themselves. I think this
is a good idea, because it teaches
students early on how to work and clean up
after themselves before they learn at
home.
you know, i've been to the elementary
school where my mom teaches quite a few
times and have used the washrooms there
and they are always disgusting. i have to
agree with you that if the kids themselves
had to participate in the cleanup of their
bathrooms maybe they wouldn't leave them
in such a state. i have seen some
programs on tv and have talked to people
who have travelled to japan to teach and
such and they tell me there is such a
difference in how kids are taught to think
of the group first and the individual
second. it's such an alien concept here
in north america to put others before
yourself and i think we could use a little
more of that here. i guess it depends on
if it's coming at the expense of their
studies or not. if it is teaching them a
valuable lesson and life skill i don't see
it being harmful as long as their health
is being taken into
account.
I agree and I think it
should extend to other areas as well.
Once, it seems like forever, it was the
day before the last day of school and some
idiots thought it would be funny to throw
all of their unused notebook paper torn up
all over the floor after the bell rang.
The very next morning we returned to
school for the last day and the paper was
still there all over the floor and down
every hallway. We were immediately herded
into our homeroom classes, each given a
trash bag, and told to clean our school.
A lot of people grumbled, especially those
who had done it, that we had paid
janatorial staff and therefore shouldn't
have to do it but it was a very valuable
lesson, nonetheless. I certainly agree
that children should be taught to respect
their schools and their surroundings and
one of the ways to do it is to have them
help with the cleaning and maintanence of
it.
Peace,
Jenn
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young Girl
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Posted: 07-02-07 19:17pm
yeah thats just messed up
there kids? what the heck? you know how
sick a child could get from something like
that? how many STD's and such could be
spread?
ive never herd of this before
but tahst sick and a horrible thing to
have a child do
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Mommy35
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Posted: 07-02-07 19:56pm
When .I first read the topic, .I thought
no freakin way, that is awful. Now that
.I have read the reasoning, .I almost
think it makes sense in some sick kind of
way. If all the kids do it, than all the
kids respect the bathroom, so the
bathrooms are fairly clean.
Here in the states restrooms are filthy
because all of us think, "well, some
sucker gets paid to clean it up, so why
bother keeping it clean".
I wouldn't allow my kids to do it unless
they had been educated on universal
precautions which includes protecting your
self from blood and airborne pathogens.
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kaerbear
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Posted: 07-02-07 20:03pm
like i said, i've seen a few tv shows
about schools in japan and you always see
them wearing gloves and masks so i'm sure
they would be doing that to clean. i
seriously doubt they would get an std from
a bathroom unless they were like, licking
the toilets clean lol. ew. germs usually
don't live that long on dry surfaces and
they must have bleach and other cleaning
agents there that would kill any other
ones. i would just hope that they wear
masks and gloves to protect their airways
and skin from the chemicals.
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 07-02-07 20:16pm
i'll make my child clean her bathroom at
home..no need for her to do it at school
too.
id rather have her focus on her education
while at school.
its a parents job to teach a child to
respect their surroundings.
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young Girl
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Posted: 07-02-07 20:16pm
Mommy35
wrote:
When .I first read the
topic, .I thought no freakin way, that is
awful. Now that .I have read the
reasoning, .I almost think it makes sense
in some sick kind of way. If all the kids
do it, than all the kids respect the
bathroom, so the bathrooms are fairly
clean.
Here in the states restrooms are filthy
because all of us think, "well, some
sucker gets paid to clean it up, so why
bother keeping it clean".
I wouldn't allow my kids to do it unless
they had been educated on universal
precautions which includes protecting your
self from blood and airborne
pathogens.
oh wow i never thought of it like taht
i guess when you think of it like taht it
might be ok to some degree
howver i think that there are way to many
diseases to be worrying about the respect
for a lean bathroom
wouldnt you be terrified that your kid
would get sick?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 07-02-07 22:35pm
the_girlfreind
wrote:
yeah thats just messed up
there kids? what the heck? you know how
sick a child could get from something like
that? how many STD's and such could be
spread?
ive never herd of this before
but tahst sick and a horrible thing to
have a child
do
Um... I really, really hope elementary
school kids don't have stds...
How in the world do you survive in the
real world? Aren't you the one who thought
a virgin from the women's forums had
herpes from a toilet seat?
Are you aware that you can't get aids by
kidding someone who has aids? You can't
get it by sharing a glass of water with
them. I bet you thought ya could.
If a child is properly taught how to
clean, then he's not going to get sick
because it will be clean.... That's the whole
point!!! Unclean american bathrooms are
far more disease-ridden than japanese ones
cleaned by the students.
I don't think it's sick at all. Students
are also assigned to teams to clean up the
classrooms after school. I bet american
kids wouldn't be such slobs in school if
they had to clean up after themselves.
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young Girl
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Posted: 07-02-07 22:39pm
Eiri
wrote:
the_girlfreind
wrote:
yeah thats just messed up
there kids? what the heck? you know how
sick a child could get from something like
that? how many STD's and such could be
spread?
ive never herd of this before
but tahst sick and a horrible thing to
have a child
do
Um... I really, really hope elementary
school kids don't have stds...
How in the world do you survive in the
real world? Aren't you the one who thought
a virgin from the women's forums had
herpes from a toilet seat?
Are you aware that you can't get aids by
kidding someone who has aids? You can't
get it by sharing a glass of water with
them. I bet you thought ya could.
If a child is properly taught how to
clean, then he's not going to get sick
because it will be clean.... That's the whole
point!!! Unclean american bathrooms are
far more disease-ridden than japanese ones
cleaned by the students.
I don't think it's sick at all. Students
are also assigned to teams to clean up the
classrooms after school. I bet american
kids wouldn't be such slobs in school if
they had to clean up after
themselves.
wow dude do you have nothing better to do
than harass people?
the post says HIGH SCHOOL AND SENIOR
STUDENTS
yeah...read before you start again...
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kaerbear
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Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 1557 Location: ,
Posted: 07-02-07 22:47pm
from what i know of japan, which i admit,
is limited, things are just done in groups
a lot more often than they are here.
because they have such a dense population
people just naturally do things in public
a lot more than they do in north america.
they don't have as much personal space
there so working together and learning
together with your peers and in public is
just more common there. from what i've
been told anyway. so i think making those
things part of their education is just a
natural extension of that. like i said,
it would never go down here in north
america unless the kid was in a bootcamp
or something lol.
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young Girl
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Posted: 07-02-07 23:00pm
kaerbear
wrote:
from what i know of japan,
which i admit, is limited, things are just
done in groups a lot more often than they
are here. because they have such a dense
population people just naturally do things
in public a lot more than they do in north
america. they don't have as much personal
space there so working together and
learning together with your peers and in
public is just more common there. from
what i've been told anyway. so i think
making those things part of their
education is just a natural extension of
that. like i said, it would never go down
here in north america unless the kid was
in a bootcamp or something
lol.
agreed :]
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Tylanas
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Posted: 07-02-07 23:00pm
the_girlfreind
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
the_girlfreind
wrote:
yeah thats just messed up
there kids? what the heck? you know how
sick a child could get from something like
that? how many STD's and such could be
spread?
ive never herd of this before
but tahst sick and a horrible thing to
have a child
do
Um... I really, really hope elementary
school kids don't have stds...
How in the world do you survive in the
real world? Aren't you the one who thought
a virgin from the women's forums had
herpes from a toilet seat?
Are you aware that you can't get aids by
kidding someone who has aids? You can't
get it by sharing a glass of water with
them. I bet you thought ya could.
If a child is properly taught how to
clean, then he's not going to get sick
because it will be clean.... That's the whole
point!!! Unclean american bathrooms are
far more disease-ridden than japanese ones
cleaned by the students.
I don't think it's sick at all. Students
are also assigned to teams to clean up the
classrooms after school. I bet american
kids wouldn't be such slobs in school if
they had to clean up after
themselves.
wow dude do you have nothing better to do
than harass people?
the post says HIGH SCHOOL AND SENIOR
STUDENTS
yeah...read before you start
again...
First, I'm a female. secondly, don't use
caps. it's considered "yelling", and
thankfully the forum edits it in visible
posts. I can still see it when I quote you
though, and it's disrespectful. I don't do
it.
Thirdly, here's the original post.
Quote:
I am here in
japan where the culture is to let elementrary, junior, senior
high school kids clean the toilets in
their schools.
Even moreso... middle school starts with
6th grade, and kids are only around 10
years old then! They're only around 12-13
in 8th grade!! I highly doubt any child of
that age is going to have an std.
Yeah, why don't you read?
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young Girl
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Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 13932 Location: everythings better in, texas USA
Posted: 07-02-07 23:03pm
Eiri
wrote:
the_girlfreind
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
the_girlfreind
wrote:
yeah thats just messed up
there kids? what the heck? you know how
sick a child could get from something like
that? how many STD's and such could be
spread?
ive never herd of this before
but tahst sick and a horrible thing to
have a child
do
Um... I really, really hope elementary
school kids don't have stds...
How in the world do you survive in the
real world? Aren't you the one who thought
a virgin from the women's forums had
herpes from a toilet seat?
Are you aware that you can't get aids by
kidding someone who has aids? You can't
get it by sharing a glass of water with
them. I bet you thought ya could.
If a child is properly taught how to
clean, then he's not going to get sick
because it will be clean.... That's the whole
point!!! Unclean american bathrooms are
far more disease-ridden than japanese ones
cleaned by the students.
I don't think it's sick at all. Students
are also assigned to teams to clean up the
classrooms after school. I bet american
kids wouldn't be such slobs in school if
they had to clean up after
themselves.
wow dude do you have nothing better to do
than harass people?
the post says HIGH SCHOOL AND SENIOR
STUDENTS
yeah...read before you start
again...
First, I'm a female. secondly, don't use
caps. it's considered "yelling", and
thankfully the forum edits it in visible
posts. I can still see it when I quote you
though, and it's disrespectful. I don't do
it.
Thirdly, here's the original post.
Quote:
I am here in
japan where the culture is to let elementrary, junior, senior
high school kids clean the toilets in
their schools.
Even moreso... middle school starts with
6th grade, and kids are only around 10
years old then! They're only around 12-13
in 8th grade!! I highly doubt any child of
that age is going to have an std.
Yeah, why don't you
read?
ok NOT DUDE it also says junior and senior
students
so how do you know i wanst implying any of
those? you assumed.
get over yourself and quit argueing with
people
and how about you just leave my posts
alone
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Tylanas
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Posted: 07-02-07 23:09pm
Why should I? If you don't want to face
the facts on a public forum, don't post
here.
You were only referencing the older grades
of... possibly 8th grade and up? Why are
you ignoring all of the other grades?
There's seven more. I guess they don't
count.
I think you have a problem with germs. I
don't mean that in a mean way; I honestly
think you are afraid of germs everywhere.
I don't remember the name of the
condition, and it's not germophobia lol.
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young Girl
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Posted: 07-02-07 23:13pm
Eiri
wrote:
Why should I? If you don't
want to face the facts on a public forum,
don't post here.
You were only referencing the older grades
of... possibly 8th grade and up? Why are
you ignoring all of the other grades?
There's seven more. I guess they don't
count.
I think you have a problem with germs. I
don't mean that in a mean way; I honestly
think you are afraid of germs everywhere.
I don't remember the name of the
condition, and it's not germophobia
lol.
actually lol i do over sanitize a bit
i bleached the whole house because the dog
threw up and i got scared that the
infection would spread
and since ive been pregnant ive gotten
even worse
but anyways
i wasnt referenceing to the lower grade
school children. i just think theres less
spread of disese's with 7 yr olds then 17
yr olds
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sick_mama17
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Posted: 07-03-07 01:01am
vanessalouanne
wrote:
i'll make my child clean her
bathroom at home..no need for her to do it
at school too.
id rather have her focus on her education
while at school.
its a parents job to teach a child to
respect their
surroundings.
I agree.
My child is at school to get an education
not become a cleaner. I wouldnt want my
child cleaning public bathrooms.
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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 07-03-07 01:35am
sick_mama17
wrote:
vanessalouanne
wrote:
i'll make my child clean her
bathroom at home..no need for her to do it
at school too.
id rather have her focus on her education
while at school.
its a parents job to teach a child to
respect their
surroundings.
I agree.
My child is at school to get an education
not become a cleaner. I wouldnt want my
child cleaning public bathrooms.
Are the two of you
assuming that these children in Japan,
where educational standards, test scores,
and knowledge are all higher,
are spending large amounts of time helping
to keep their school's clean or more time
cleaning than learning?
And your children, right now, do not spend
all of their time, energy, or
concentration solely on learning. There
are break times that they spend doing
other things and activities.
If proper safety precautions are taken,
gloves and masks, then what is the harm in
taking a few minutes to clean a facility
they all use? In what other ways do you
suggest that respect for the facility be
fostered?
I don't think it's entirely unrelated that
Japan also has lower incidences of
property destruction and grafitti.
