i'll make my child clean her
bathroom at home..no need for her to do it
at school too.
id rather have her focus on her education
while at school.
its a parents job to teach a child to
respect their
surroundings.
I agree.
My child is at school to get an education
not become a cleaner. I wouldnt want my
child cleaning public bathrooms.
Are the two of you
assuming that these children in Japan,
where educational standards, test scores,
and knowledge are all higher,
are spending large amounts of time helping
to keep their school's clean or more time
cleaning than learning?
And your children, right now, do not spend
all of their time, energy, or
concentration solely on learning. There
are break times that they spend doing
other things and activities. (/quote)
yes, their children, it is okay for them
to not have to be responsible adults, they
will have the rest of their lives for
that.
spending time at schools being an aid and
observing, ive seen the kind of schedule
that most elementary school age children
have, and i feel recess and playtime is an
important part of it. they now get maybe
2 breaks. one for fifteen minutes and
then one for 30.
there is a completely different culture
and view in japan when it comes to
children.
i want my child to enjoy being a kid.
i will teach my daughter to be respectful
and considerate, like a good parent should
do.
Does "respectful and considerate" include
sharing your views on illegal immigrants
and those without insurance?
vanessalouanne
wrote:
im really, really frustrated though
because the reason there is no bed space
is due to illegal immigration and people
without insurance. the hospital cant
legally turn anyone away
world i think all illegal immigrants need
to be shipped back to where ever they are
from. that dont mean my kids are not gonna
be respectful and considerate.i not gonna
push my views on my kids.
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Birch
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Posted: 07-04-07 10:42am
chase4
wrote:
world i think all illegal
immigrants need to be shipped back to
where ever they are from. that dont mean
my kids are not gonna be respectful and
considerate.i not gonna push my views on
my kids.
I know many people feel that way, and I
can understand that viewpoint, but I don't
understand why "they" (along with people
w/o insurance) should be turned away from
getting medical treatment at a hospital.
I guess if you're a self proclaimed
"trophy wife" with money they should put
people out of their beds for you.
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Magical Logic
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Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 2248
Posted: 07-04-07 11:06am
i do think illegal immigrants should be
turned away from getting medical
treatment. maybe than they will go back to
where they came from.
but people who are allowed to be in the
united states should not be turned away
from getting medical treatment just cause
they dont have insurance.
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young Girl
Especially EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 13932 Location: everythings better in, texas USA
Posted: 07-04-07 11:12am
Birch
wrote:
chase4
wrote:
world i think all illegal
immigrants need to be shipped back to
where ever they are from. that dont mean
my kids are not gonna be respectful and
considerate.i not gonna push my views on
my kids.
I know many people feel that way, and I
can understand that viewpoint, but I don't
understand why "they" (along with people
w/o insurance) should be turned away from
getting medical treatment at a hospital.
I guess if you're a self proclaimed
"trophy wife" with money they should put
people out of their beds for
you.
thats not what anyone said or even
implied
ok heres how it is in california and
texas
basiaclly theyve taken over
not all of them. im not saying all
mexicans are bad and dont work and live
off government money
but literaly
you cant get a job here anymore
but theres mexican iiligals driving brand
new huge trucks. and they use up all of
our medicaed and welfare and they lie.
most of them lie and have 5 kids and 3
fammilies in the same crowded 3 bedroom
house
and its not fair when it gets this bad
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kaerbear
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Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 1557 Location: ,
Posted: 07-04-07 11:17am
now you know how the native people felt
500 years ago lol
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young Girl
Especially EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 13932 Location: everythings better in, texas USA
Posted: 07-04-07 11:18am
kaerbear
wrote:
now you know how the native
people felt 500 years ago
lol
ha ha yeah we did kindof do the same
thing!
i think its an ngoing thing though
it cant be stopped
what goes around comes around and because
of what our ancestors did we gotta pay
lol
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Tylanas
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Posted: 07-04-07 11:22am
Now you people know how every single
american race felt when they came over.
The germans, the irish, every single
ethnicity that came to america was treated
in the same crummy way you're treating
these people.
Personally, there shouldn't be borders.
People should be able to go where the
money and the care is. Why should anyone be
forced to live somewhere they are going to
die or have a bad life? No one should be
forced to live somewhere like that.
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young Girl
Especially EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 13932 Location: everythings better in, texas USA
Posted: 07-04-07 11:25am
Eiri
wrote:
Now you people know how
every single american race felt when they
came over. The germans, the irish, every
single ethnicity that came to america was
treated in the same crummy way you're
treating these people.
Personally, there shouldn't be borders.
People should be able to go where the
money and the care is. Why should anyone be
forced to live somewhere they are going to
die or have a bad life? No one should be
forced to live somewhere like
that.
disagree
lol
i think borders prevent spread of disease
(yes more about germs i know)
it would be too hectic if everyone could
come and go
if there were no borders how could we keep
terrorists away? keep track and prevent
drugs from crossing over?
keep a murderer from running from country
to country while he has a warrant for
him?
borders dont just hold all the people back
from spilling into everywhere
when you think about it they have alot of
purpose
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Becky
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Posted: 07-04-07 11:55am
split from another topic. you are allowed
to state you opinion but no name calling,
racist abuse or general nastiness. if we
stick to the rules we can all have our say
the nice way
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Tylanas
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Posted: 07-04-07 12:12pm
the_girlfreind
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
Now you people know how
every single american race felt when they
came over. The germans, the irish, every
single ethnicity that came to america was
treated in the same crummy way you're
treating these people.
Personally, there shouldn't be borders.
People should be able to go where the
money and the care is. Why should anyone be
forced to live somewhere they are going to
die or have a bad life? No one should be
forced to live somewhere like
that.
disagree
lol
i think borders prevent spread of disease
(yes more about germs i know)
it would be too hectic if everyone could
come and go
if there were no borders how could we keep
terrorists away? keep track and prevent
drugs from crossing over?
keep a not a nice person from running from
country to country while he has a warrant
for him?
borders dont just hold all the people back
from spilling into everywhere
when you think about it they have alot of
purpose
If there weren't borders, there would be
no nations for the terrorists to hate.
I think cities can be far more effective
at controlling drug trafficking than a
nation can. Secondly, you could still have
"states". I think a state system would
work far better than countries.
Countries encourage ethnocentricity, which
causes superiority and hate.
If the whole world gave a damn, they could
all pitch in to catch a killer.
If you think open borders doesn't work,
take a look at europe. It has open
borders. It has a collective currency...
which is stronger than the american
dollar. I think america needs to come out
of the isolationist dark-ages and into the
new world. The real world. We already have
a global economy. Unity is coming.
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young Girl
Especially EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 13932 Location: everythings better in, texas USA
Posted: 07-04-07 12:14pm
Eiri
wrote:
the_girlfreind
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
Now you people know how
every single american race felt when they
came over. The germans, the irish, every
single ethnicity that came to america was
treated in the same crummy way you're
treating these people.
Personally, there shouldn't be borders.
People should be able to go where the
money and the care is. Why should anyone be
forced to live somewhere they are going to
die or have a bad life? No one should be
forced to live somewhere like
that.
disagree
lol
i think borders prevent spread of disease
(yes more about germs i know)
it would be too hectic if everyone could
come and go
if there were no borders how could we keep
terrorists away? keep track and prevent
drugs from crossing over?
keep a not a nice person from running from
country to country while he has a warrant
for him?
borders dont just hold all the people back
from spilling into everywhere
when you think about it they have alot of
purpose
If there weren't borders, there would be
no nations for the terrorists to hate.
I think cities can be far more effective
at controlling drug trafficking than a
nation can. Secondly, you could still have
"states". I think a state system would
work far better than countries.
Countries encourage ethnocentricity, which
causes superiority and hate.
If the whole world gave a bless, they
could all pitch in to catch a killer.
If you think open borders doesn't work,
take a look at europe. It has open
borders. It has a collective currency...
which is stronger than the american
dollar. I think america needs to come out
of the isolationist dark-ages and into the
new world. The real world. We already have
a global economy. Unity is
coming.
ahh i see your point :]
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 07-04-07 14:23pm
Our country should either dissolve the
laws that make it illegal,
or enforce them. Enough of this
sitting-on-the-fence bull. We're either
okay with people not obeying our laws and
going through the proper channels to come
here, or we're not. Our government needs
to make up its mind, but our population
needs to make up its mind first. Do we
support these laws or not?
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bernibaby86
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 186 Location: Pennsylvania
Posted: 07-04-07 14:57pm
the_girlfreind
wrote:
basiaclly theyve taken over
not all of them. im not saying all
mexicans are bad and dont work and live
off government money
but literaly
you cant get a job here anymore
but theres mexican iiligals driving brand
new huge trucks. and they use up all of
our medicaed and welfare and they lie.
most of them lie and have 5 kids and 3
fammilies in the same crowded 3 bedroom
house
and its not fair when it gets this
bad
I agree there are some illegal immgrants
who have completely taken over. Just about
everywhere in Northeastern PA...there are
hundreds of mexicans some are legal and
some arent. They have caused problems in
the past with job opportunities in the
area. Yes they do live in large packs. I
dont see how they can all live under one
roof. I remember one time my friend lived
in an apartment with her boyfriend and
there was another person living
downstairs. I couldnt see how their
neighbor could stand having almost 8
mexicans living with her and her family.
There were only two bedrooms and one
bathroom...thats ridiculous. They prolly
shouldnt even being receiving medicaid and
welfare b/c like you said its not fair to
other ppl who are U.S. citizen. medicaid
and welfare is for ppl who really need
insurance and help from the gov't. Just a
few months ago a politician in Scranton
had all the illegals in NEPA to be sent
back to Mexico.
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Tylanas
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Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 12985
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Posted: 07-04-07 15:31pm
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
Our country should either
dissolve the laws that make it illegal,
or enforce them. Enough of this
sitting-on-the-fence bull. We're either
okay with people not obeying our laws and
going through the proper channels to come
here, or we're not. Our government needs
to make up its mind, but our population
needs to make up its mind first. Do we
support these laws or
not?
I do agree that a real stance needs to be
taken. I wouldn't agree with a totally
isolationist policy, but at least then
everyone would know how we stand on
immigration. Right now it is too loose and
vague.
Right on
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Tylanas
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Posted: 07-04-07 15:36pm
bernibaby86
wrote:
the_girlfreind
wrote:
basiaclly theyve taken over
not all of them. im not saying all
mexicans are bad and dont work and live
off government money
but literaly
you cant get a job here anymore
but theres mexican iiligals driving brand
new huge trucks. and they use up all of
our medicaed and welfare and they lie.
most of them lie and have 5 kids and 3
fammilies in the same crowded 3 bedroom
house
and its not fair when it gets this
bad
I agree there are some illegal immgrants
who have completely taken over. Just about
everywhere in Northeastern PA...there are
hundreds of mexicans some are legal and
some arent. They have caused problems in
the past with job opportunities in the
area. Yes they do live in large packs. I
dont see how they can all live under one
roof. I remember one time my friend lived
in an apartment with her boyfriend and
there was another person living
downstairs. I couldnt see how their
neighbor could stand having almost 8
mexicans living with her and her family.
There were only two bedrooms and one
bathroom...thats ridiculous. They prolly
shouldnt even being receiving medicaid and
welfare b/c like you said its not fair to
other ppl who are U.S. citizen. medicaid
and welfare is for ppl who really need
insurance and help from the gov't. Just a
few months ago a politician in Scranton
had all the illegals in NEPA to be sent
back to
Mexico.
Look at this from a humanists' point of
view. DOn't think about money or anything
else for just a moment.
Down in mexico, living is hard. They can
do job 1 up here, and live a lot better
than they can doing the same job down in
mexico.
Stop thinking of them as "others", as
"those mexicans", "those people", etc.
They are just like you and me. They are
not animals living in "packs". You are
dehumanizing them, and that's wrong. They
are ordinary people, and all they want is
a good life, a good education for their
children, and adequet health care.
All they want is clean water, a steady
job, and a real income. They want a good
roof over their heads; they don't want to
live in the squalor they do in the south.
Many immigrants send much of their money
back home so that their families can
afford health care and food down in
mexico.
Are there "bad" immigrants? Illegal aliens
who do nothing except mooch off our taxes?
Yes. I'd be idiotic not to admit that. But
I think (and maybe someone needs to find
the statistics on this) that most illegal
and legal immigrants are working hard for
their money every single day.
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young Girl
Especially EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 13932 Location: everythings better in, texas USA
Posted: 07-04-07 16:01pm
Eiri
wrote:
bernibaby86
wrote:
the_girlfreind
wrote:
basiaclly theyve taken over
not all of them. im not saying all
mexicans are bad and dont work and live
off government money
but literaly
you cant get a job here anymore
but theres mexican iiligals driving brand
new huge trucks. and they use up all of
our medicaed and welfare and they lie.
most of them lie and have 5 kids and 3
fammilies in the same crowded 3 bedroom
house
and its not fair when it gets this
bad
I agree there are some illegal immgrants
who have completely taken over. Just about
everywhere in Northeastern PA...there are
hundreds of mexicans some are legal and
some arent. They have caused problems in
the past with job opportunities in the
area. Yes they do live in large packs. I
dont see how they can all live under one
roof. I remember one time my friend lived
in an apartment with her boyfriend and
there was another person living
downstairs. I couldnt see how their
neighbor could stand having almost 8
mexicans living with her and her family.
There were only two bedrooms and one
bathroom...thats ridiculous. They prolly
shouldnt even being receiving medicaid and
welfare b/c like you said its not fair to
other ppl who are U.S. citizen. medicaid
and welfare is for ppl who really need
insurance and help from the gov't. Just a
few months ago a politician in Scranton
had all the illegals in NEPA to be sent
back to
Mexico.
Look at this from a humanists' point of
view. DOn't think about money or anything
else for just a moment.
Down in mexico, living is hard. They can
do job 1 up here, and live a lot better
than they can doing the same job down in
mexico.
Stop thinking of them as "others", as
"those mexicans", "those people", etc.
They are just like you and me. They are
not animals living in "packs". You are
dehumanizing them, and that's wrong. They
are ordinary people, and all they want is
a good life, a good education for their
children, and adequet health care.
All they want is clean water, a steady
job, and a real income. They want a good
roof over their heads; they don't want to
live in the squalor they do in the south.
Many immigrants send much of their money
back home so that their families can
afford health care and food down in
mexico.
Are there "bad" immigrants? Illegal aliens
who do nothing except mooch off our taxes?
Yes. I'd be idiotic not to admit that. But
I think (and maybe someone needs to find
the statistics on this) that most illegal
and legal immigrants are working hard for
their money every single
day.
not sure what the statistics are but i
know a few illigal immigrants that do work
hard
im not saying all of them are money
sucking people
its just the majority of them
theres a duplex neighborhood that is brand
new and was just built 2 yrs ago
its like townhomes and stuff
and until about a year ago it was super
nice
now 99% of everyone who lives there is
illigal immigrants and the place seriously
looks like trash
beer cans everywhere
trashy yards
no respect for the property they live on
and the landlords who own them dont care
because as long as they get their rent
money no one cares
however i must say that ou never here of
them doing anything bad on the news? im
sure they stick to themselves and you
never here that "2 immigrants shot and
killed someone" on the news
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Magical Logic
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 2248
Posted: 07-04-07 16:17pm
i dont care if they are here to make money
for their family or not. if they want to
live here to it legally. people who gives
these illegal immigrants jobs and places
to live here should also be punished and
it should be a harsh punishment to set an
example
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young Girl
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Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 13932 Location: everythings better in, texas USA
Posted: 07-04-07 16:21pm
agreed
has any one here ever been to the border
of mexico and texas
its horrible
poverty and trashy
nice areas have been run down because they
dont take care of thier property
you literally have half naked and barefoot
children running the streets begging for
change
and if you say "oh sorry i dont have any"
they flick you off
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Birch
Supporter
Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 3939 Location: Bliss,
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Posted: 07-04-07 16:27pm
Some of you are real racist, elistist
snots.
"they live"
"those people"
"them"
"they should be turned away from getting
medical treatment"
"they've taken all the jobs"
"borders keep terrorists away"
"borders prevent spread of disease"
Happy 4th of .July, naive, self centered
.americans.
[For the record, I didn't create this
thread and misspell the word "illegal".]
