Kappa Opioid Hypothesis of Schizophrenia Posted: 07-07-07 09:07am
Hypotheses for the neurochemical basis of
schizophrenia invariably result from
effects of the administration of
psychoactive substances in humans. Here
are several samples of schizophrenic
symptoms correlated with reports found
posted on Usenet of intoxication by salvia
divinorum, a kappa opioid agonist:
1) Thought Echo:
"what happened was i would go into this
state where my body seemed to be talking
to me...but not in the sense that it
really had anything to say, actually it
was just my thoughts echoing to
themselves, but such that it gave the
impression that the echo was really saying
something...the echo which echoed off of
my body..."
2) Hallucinatory voices giving a running
commentary on the patient's behaviour:
"...I was being pulled, very strongly,
into 'something', and it was _worrying_.
The radio changed - it was loudly and
clearly talking about me, sounded like
overhearing a walkie-talkie-talky
communication between two coppers..."
3) Thought broadcasting:
"Yeah same here. I had a strong sense that
I somehow caused an infinite repetition of
the terrifying moments i experienced, like
a recording of my mindset being broadcast
to everybody and everything forever..."
It is hoped that this will be of interest
and use to those interested in the
neuropharmacology of schizophrenia.
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Philo
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Posted: 07-07-07 10:17am
Do you mean that a salvia divinorum-like
substance or imbalance in the brain could
cause schizophrenia? Could such an
imbalance be caused by alcohol or weed?
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PatientAnon
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Posted: 07-15-07 19:28pm
Thank you for your reply. The hypothesis
is that dysfunction of the receptor system
targeted by salvia divinorum could play a
significant role in the auditory
hallucinations and delusions of
schizophrenia. The psychosis induced by
this class of substance mimics
schizophrenia much more closely than do
the NMDA antagonists (which many consider
to emulate the disorder).
As additional evidence, one clinical study
of the mixed mu-agonist/kappa antagonist
opioid buprenorphine on persons with
schizophrenia showed positive results
(although it could not be used clinically
because of the mu-agonist effect):
>> Could such an imbalance be caused
by alcohol or weed?
Alcohol and cannabis use do appear to
increase one's chance of developing
schizophrenia. The possibility of them
directly causing the disorder is a matter
for debate. Avoiding all intoxicating
substances would certainly be recommended.
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Posted: 08-08-07 16:50pm
well, you see, most drugs alter brain
activity.
salvia seems to completely eliminate gamma
activity, and put a person in a dream.
mushrooms, seem to cause some parts of the
brain to have lower gamma activity, and
other to have strangely high gamma
activity in other parts of the brain, thus
causing unconditional love and
connectedness, and strange mystical
states.
every drug alters these states just as
meditation does. there's no mystery to
it.
wether salvia or marijuana can drop kick
someone into schizophrenia: definately.
I'm not against smoking marijuana or
tripping on schooms. there probably
wouldnt be buddhism if it werent for
shrooms. but I wouldn't deny that drugs
can trigger a psychotic dissorder.
schizophrenics have brain deformities in
the thalamus and orbitofrontal lobe
anyways, and that seems to be the core
cause.
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derealized
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Posted: 08-13-07 23:11pm
I've tried Salvia twice.
I think you are misinterpreting the user's
experience for something it is not.
What I describe Salvia as is like suddenly
being kicked into a different dimension,
perceptions change, it didn't cause me to
hallucinate things like magical floating
elephants or hear things. It caused me to
notice and percieve little things that you
don't notice while you are sober. Like how
cars drive by and make the windy noise and
go further and further away or how the
leaves blow through the land eventually
ending up on the side of a hill or in a
pond. It's like a different perception or
view of things, and knowing now that it
effects only the kappa opiod receptors of
the brain that control perception it's
obvious to me that is why I felt that way
and percieved things that way.
The drug has a relatively short duration
of only 5 -20 minutes max.. My experiences
lasted about 7 minutes with very fast
intoxication and relatively fast come
down compared to other hallucinogenic
drugs like mushrooms or LSD which I've
never tried but have read about.
Whether it may cause Schizophrenia or even
mimic symptoms of schizophrenia I don't
know really. It is not a recreational
drug, it is not very fun, it's more of a
spiritual experience drug that you use 1
or 2 in your life and that is all.
I will say this, Marijuana use does
contribute to psychotic effects.
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Posted: 08-14-07 11:29am
for what I know, you havent broken through
if you can actually notice leaves arround
you.
most people who have broken through have
been taken to a whole different level of
perception, where time doesnt excist, and
you are able to understan the concept of
infinity. when you look at a leaf, you
might notice that the shape also blends
with the air arround you, as well as your
thoughts, to make a pond. crazy stuff like
that. your thoughts and emotions might
manifest themselves in visions and stuff.
and this keybord that im using sucks
because the keys stick.
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derealized
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Posted: 08-15-07 00:02am
Salvia is a Kappa Opioid Agonist, There
are Kappa Opioid Antagonist like Naloxone
that inhibit the effects of Salvia. So
Naloxone should be tried to see if it has
any effect on schizophrenic symptoms.
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Posted: 08-18-07 08:40am
it's already proven that schizophrenia is
caused by a deformed gene that causes some
parts of the brain to be smaller, such as
the part that controls emotions, memory
(recognition memory also), etc..
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PatientAnon
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Posted: 08-18-07 17:08pm
derealized
wrote:
Salvia is a Kappa Opioid
Agonist, There are Kappa Opioid Antagonist
like Naloxone that inhibit the effects of
Salvia. So Naloxone should be tried to see
if it has any effect on schizophrenic
symptoms.
This has already been done; one study
reports positive results:
Salvia is a Kappa Opioid
Agonist, There are Kappa Opioid Antagonist
like Naloxone that inhibit the effects of
Salvia. So Naloxone should be tried to see
if it has any effect on schizophrenic
symptoms.
This has already been done; one study
reports positive results: