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Dentist Caused Tmj?? Posted: 07-09-07 22:44pm
Hi, Im new here and I had a couple
questions. Sorry if someone has already
posted this up here before, but at this
point I need some help.
I went to a dentist about a month ago, no
problems, just a check up. Turns out I
needed to do a deep scaling, so I said ok.
He had my mouth open up SUPER WIDE, enough
where he actually locked it up and I
literally had to push it back into place.
Sure enough with 2 days after. I started
getting this CLICKING/POPPING sound in my
ear everytime I speak and 2 weeks after
that my jaw started to shake and Iv had
pain in my jaw. in between that time I
visted a couple of EAR specialist to see
whats going on, because I figured it was
an ear problem. They told me everything
looked fine and maybe it was a muscle
spasm. and now it's been about 1 month and
my jaw has pain and the clicking IS OUT OF
CONTROL!! so I figured it must TMJ and the
dentist caused it. Im about to go to a new
dentist next week who specializes in TMJ.
It feels as though when I speak air gets
stuck in my eustacious tube and then shot
up through it when i move my tounge to
make it click CAN THIS BE CAUSED BY
TMJ???
but I wanted to know if anyone else has
had this happen to them? If so what did
you do? Did the CLICKING EVER go away?
anything at this point would greatly be
appreciated....
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Tmddyan
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Hey Posted: 07-10-07 13:10pm
Yes its common that a dentist will
unwittingly cause tmd. YOu should look
into finding a specialist. I would
recomment a neuromuscular dentist. If you
need help finding one Im here to
help---this has sort of become my
specialty. There is light at the end of
the tunnel---keep your chin up and ill
help you find it ---you need anything just
let me know and feel free to pm or email
me at anytime.
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stagnet04
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Re: Hey Posted: 07-10-07 15:07pm
dyanmatteson
wrote:
Yes its common that a
dentist will unwittingly cause tmd. YOu
should look into finding a specialist. I
would recomment a neuromuscular dentist.
If you need help finding one Im here to
help---this has sort of become my
specialty. There is light at the end of
the tunnel---keep your chin up and ill
help you find it ---you need anything just
let me know and feel free to pm or email
me at
anytime.
Do you think they can help out with the
clicking in the ear? Because that is whats
really driving me INSANE!!!! It's not my
jaw thats causing the click, i know for a
fact it has to be my eustacious tube.I can
live the rest of my life with pain in my
jaw but, this clicking in my ear is to
much...
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Tmddyan
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Hey Posted: 07-11-07 12:34pm
yes they can help but it has to be a
certain kind of doc. most general dentists
dont have much knowlege of tmd. go to a
neuromuscular dentist. they can help with
the pain and the clicking. if you need
help finding one just let me know.
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grassy
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Hello There Posted: 07-11-07 14:17pm
Hi I'm cindy the same exact thing happened
to me..... a dentist did it to me and i
had tmj within a few days.... Now in my
case.... that dentist dislocated my jaw
out of the socket, by getting at a wisdom
tooth.the jaw bone by the ear was
dislocated Out sideways. it went on for
two years, it was unbearable, until a
chiropracter found it and popped it in.
i'm not saying this happened to you but
dental work is starting to show up as a
culprit.the jaw comes out of alignment
because of keeping the mouth open to wide
or in alot of cases because of the
numbness of the novacain.but i always
stress STRESS get a GOOD professional.. no
matter which way you choose to try. ask
around. lots of quacks out there trying to
fix tmj.i did the chiro route but alot of
professionals would know, but the jaw is
tricky so the Key is experienced
proferssional. another alternative, file
it away in your brain. love cindy
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stagnet04
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Re: Hey Posted: 07-11-07 19:00pm
dyanmatteson
wrote:
yes they can help but it has
to be a certain kind of doc. most general
dentists dont have much knowlege of tmd.
go to a neuromuscular dentist. they can
help with the pain and the clicking. if
you need help finding one just let me
know.
Thanks Ill PM your right now...
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stagnet04
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Joined: 09 Jul 2007 Posts: 8 Location: Souther California
Re: Hello There Posted: 07-11-07 19:01pm
grassy
wrote:
Hi I'm cindy the same exact
thing happened to me..... a dentist did it
to me and i had tmj within a few days....
Now in my case.... that dentist dislocated
my jaw out of the socket, by getting at a
wisdom tooth.the jaw bone by the ear was
dislocated Out sideways. it went on for
two years, it was unbearable, until a
chiropracter found it and popped it in.
i'm not saying this happened to you but
dental work is starting to show up as a
culprit.the jaw comes out of alignment
because of keeping the mouth open to wide
or in alot of cases because of the
numbness of the novacain.but i always
stress STRESS get a GOOD professional.. no
matter which way you choose to try. ask
around. lots of quacks out there trying to
fix tmj.i did the chiro route but alot of
professionals would know, but the jaw is
tricky so the Key is experienced
proferssional. another alternative, file
it away in your brain. love
cindy
Ill definatley keep this in mind, because
it's driving me crazy!!! thanks for the
advice I really do appreciate it...
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catswold
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Posted: 07-11-07 22:03pm
Hi Stagnet,
Since your problems started not too long
ago (one month), there is a good chance
you can "fix" these early symptoms of TMJ.
When the dentist held your mouth open too
long, he basically stretched or pulled
your meniscus out of place. This then
causes muscle spasms as the joint(s) try
and do their job injured. The spasms are
usually what causes the clicking sound in
the ear as they do involve the eustachian
tube.
You need to treat your jaw like it has
been seriously sprained. Rest your
muscles is number one. Eat a low/no chew
diet for a few to several weeks, talk as
little as possible, do not open your mouth
wide for some weeks (this includes no
yawning), and use ice to reduce swelling
and alternate with moist heat for pain
reduction. Keep your mouth/jaw relaxed by
holding the lips togethers (or slightly
apart), teeth apart (never to come
together) and tongue resting on the roof
of your mouth.
Be patient and give these "treatments" a
chance as they have proven to work in many
newer cases of early TMJ. You also might
want to make sure that the dentist didn't
change your bite in any way possible when
he did the "deep scaling" (which I have
never heard of before, what is it?). Any
minor change will cause the spasms.
I hope and pray that something helps. Let
us know how you do.
God bless...
Carol
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grassy
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 116 Location: northeast
Stagnet? Posted: 07-12-07 11:39am
Carol gave a great answer, i agree with
everything she said. Now i went back and
re read your first post, i'm kind of
worried about you because you just got
this(tmj), and it has only been a month.
so can you explain more to us about this
part.. you said the dentist locked up your
jaw , Right in the chair? in the dental
office? and you put it back in place after
it had locked up?. and another question
too, like carol said how is your bite
feeling to you now? scaling is a deep
cleaning right? please explain more and
tell me how you put it back in place.?????
cindy
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stagnet04
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Joined: 09 Jul 2007 Posts: 8 Location: Souther California
Posted: 07-12-07 20:10pm
catswold
wrote:
Hi Stagnet,
Since your problems started not too long
ago (one month), there is a good chance
you can "fix" these early symptoms of TMJ.
When the dentist held your mouth open too
long, he basically stretched or pulled
your meniscus out of place. This then
causes muscle spasms as the joint(s) try
and do their job injured. The spasms are
usually what causes the clicking sound in
the ear as they do involve the eustachian
tube.
You need to treat your jaw like it has
been seriously sprained. Rest your
muscles is number one. Eat a low/no chew
diet for a few to several weeks, talk as
little as possible, do not open your mouth
wide for some weeks (this includes no
yawning), and use ice to reduce swelling
and alternate with moist heat for pain
reduction. Keep your mouth/jaw relaxed by
holding the lips togethers (or slightly
apart), teeth apart (never to come
together) and tongue resting on the roof
of your mouth.
Be patient and give these "treatments" a
chance as they have proven to work in many
newer cases of early TMJ. You also might
want to make sure that the dentist didn't
change your bite in any way possible when
he did the "deep scaling" (which I have
never heard of before, what is it?). Any
minor change will cause the spasms.
I hope and pray that something helps. Let
us know how you do.
God bless...
Carol
Thanks Carol/Cindy, I apprciate all that
advice and will start on it right away. As
far as How the whole story, it happend
like this The dentist put me into the
dentist chair that leans back, and did the
deep scaling, which is him basically
leaning his had on my chin, while my mouth
was wide open, with one of those hooks
that looks like this,?, and him scraping
away all the film and bacterial from my
teeth, very bloddy. Anyways, it looked
like he was writing on a piece of paper,
if that makes sense. I saw him finish my
right side and lift his hand away from my
chin to get another one of those hook
things and I tried to close my mouth for a
sec and felt it stuck. I freaked for about
2 seconds and actually had to reach up and
kinda nudge it back so it would close.
about a day after that, all these symptoms
started happening...Im going to see a so
called TMJ specialist on wednsday, the
18th. Hopefully he can do something....ill
keep you updated...
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grassy
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Yes Please Keep Us Posted Posted: 07-13-07 10:33am
Stagnet. keep us posted. Ok , that
dentist did something.!!! Good luck with
your new tmj dentist. I worry!!! because
almost the same exact thing happened to
me. NEVER had any jaw pain... or anything
until i went to that dentist. mine started
like within two days after, and I never
expected to be This messed up for so long.
it has cost me thousands. if i could do it
all over i would go back after him.
Sometimes they will dislocate the bone
just enough(by the ear) out sideways and
it will start the ball rolling.Or sprain
the jaw like carol said. make sure you ask
that tmj dentist if your jaw is
dislocated. have him check it carefully.
then if it is ok that would be great. but
the fact that it locked up tells me the
bone and the disc in there is out of place
somehow.i will cross my fingers for
you!!!!love cindy
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stagnet04
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Joined: 09 Jul 2007 Posts: 8 Location: Souther California
Re: Yes Please Keep Us Posted Posted: 07-13-07 19:10pm
grassy
wrote:
Stagnet. keep us posted. Ok
, that dentist did something.!!! Good luck
with your new tmj dentist. I worry!!!
because almost the same exact thing
happened to me. NEVER had any jaw pain...
or anything until i went to that dentist.
mine started like within two days after,
and I never expected to be This messed up
for so long. it has cost me thousands. if
i could do it all over i would go back
after him. Sometimes they will dislocate
the bone just enough(by the ear) out
sideways and it will start the ball
rolling.Or sprain the jaw like carol said.
make sure you ask that tmj dentist if your
jaw is dislocated. have him check it
carefully. then if it is ok that would be
great. but the fact that it locked up
tells me the bone and the disc in there is
out of place somehow.i will cross my
fingers for you!!!!love
cindy
Thanks...oh I will definatley keep you
guys posted. And any new info I get that
can help out the next person, the better.
BTW, Cindy,How are you doing now after all
the treatments youve gone through? You
said you had a chiropractor actually pop
the bone back into place right...
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grassy
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Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 116 Location: northeast
Pretty Good Posted: 07-14-07 12:00pm
Pretty good... the only thing is that i
have to keep going... i have like a very
bad neck, which oddly shifts both my
jaws...its a total riot. my neck shifts a
bone into my jaw and ears... but the jaw
is pretty good. But you see when this
happened to me i was so bad, i couldnt
stand, see, walk, hear... i was foaming...
that is how bad the dentist hurt me... so
when i see a post like yours, i
worry....,get concerned , i dont want
anyone to go thru years of torture like i
have, or let it go to long...... my
chiropracter always told me if i had got
to him right away it would have been no
big deal... but the jaw was right out of
the socket for two years and alot of
damage got done.... love cindy
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stagnet04
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Posted: 07-24-07 13:47pm
Well I went to 2 TMJ specialist and they
both narrowed it down to a combination of
they Disc/jaw misligniment and muscular
spasms within the jaw, neck and side of
the face. Which is what you guys were
suggesting. They both recommened Physical
therapy, so im gonna give that a try and
hopefully EVERYTHING will be back to
normal soon. Thanks for the advice and Ill
will give you guys updates...
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Tmddyan
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Ok Posted: 07-24-07 13:50pm
do keep us informed---sounds like you are
on the right road.
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grassy
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Ok Sounds Good Posted: 07-24-07 13:57pm
that sounds good, but sometimes a PT
doesnt realign things. If the pt doesnt
work, try a Hands on chiro with
experience. Mine just popped my disc-jaw
right back in. it depends you know. a good
Pt might help alot. but a good pt should
know my feel too, i would imagine. Keep us
posted as you go.... Good luck cindy
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Tmddyan
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Hey Posted: 07-24-07 14:00pm
if the pt knows what he is doing it will
realign things. You have to remember that
artho is basically pt under sedation. pt
will get that disc back up. it sure worked
for me.
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grassy
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Dyan Posted: 07-24-07 14:18pm
Hi Dyan, it's cindy, i was just wondering
about that????????????? so a good pt would
know and get everything re aligned where
it should be? I used a chiro just because
i ran into one first. But i have read
about Pt's that move necks jaws muscles
everything. what about an osetopath? do
they know? cindy
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Tmddyan
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Hey Posted: 07-24-07 14:22pm
an osteo path is more for bone health. pt
helps maintain function and put things
back where they belong. and yes chiro does
that to but pt strengthens it as well. I
could be wrong but that is what my doc led
me to understand.
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catswold
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Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 404 Location: Flint, Michigan
Posted: 07-24-07 22:12pm
Physical Therapy by a GOOD therapist can
be great! Sometimes it is difficult to
find a really good one that has been
trained in TMJ. Really do your research
before allowing them to do anything to
you. Personally I felt what they did the
best for me was massage (face & neck
basically), heat rap around neck,
ultrasound on the joints and certain
exercises.
I pray you will find the perfect PT
God bless...
Carol
