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Posted: 07-22-08 12:19pm

Hey, no one wants women to feel like they have no other choice than abortion. Women should be making this choice of desire, not necessity. Here's what's working in Saskatchewan:

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Saskatchewan's abortion rate is far lower than the Canadian average for several reasons, says a prominent obstetrics and gynecology expert.

"It is lower, (but) I think we can still do better. The opportunity is here," said Dr. Femi Olatunbosun, head of obstetrics and gynecology for the Saskatoon Health Region and the University of Saskatchewan's college of medicine.

The abortion debate has surfaced again following the naming of abortion rights crusader Dr. Henry Morgentaler to the Order of Canada.

Saskatoon's Roman Catholic Bishop Albert LeGatt recently wrote to parishes about the issue and urged, among other things, that followers protest Morgentaler's award.

Saskatchewan doctors performed a total of 1,824 induced abortions in 2005, according to Statistics Canada. That translates into a rate of 8.8 induced abortions for every 1,000 females, far lower than the Canadian average of 13.7.

Olatunbosun emphasized that access to abortions "is in no way limited" and is not the reason for the lower numbers. Specialists and family physicians in Saskatoon, Regina and several other centres are available to perform induced or "therapeutic" abortions with no wait time, Olatunbosun said.

However, the goal is still to decrease the number of abortions through various other strategies, he said. These seem to be working in Saskatchewan, he said.

The work of the sexual health centres in Saskatoon and other cities, as well as school education programs, is helping to improve access to contraception and education. Saskatchewan was one of the earliest provinces to make emergency contraceptives, or the "morning after pill," widely available without a prescription.

And Olatunbosun said he's hearing anecdotally that many teens are delaying their first sexual experience until later in life. These factors will lead to fewer abortions, he said.

Another factor is that teens in Saskatchewan, particularly in the aboriginal community, are choosing not to terminate their pregnancies and carry them to term. This may be due to the stronger social supports in smaller communities. Someone living in Toronto or Vancouver, for example, may not have access to family or friend networks.

Olatunbosun hopes that increased education, postponing sexual activity until later in life and access to contraception will result in even lower abortion rates in the future.

He notes there are decreases in the number of abortions in the Saskatoon region in the past few years, and hopes this will soon be the case provincially.

In Saskatchewan, 672 abortions were performed on women in the 20-24 age group, the demographic receiving the highest number of abortions. The next highest was the under-20 age group, with 416.


http://www. canada.com/reginaleaderpost/news/story.htm l?id=71f03edd-8366-40c9-9e20-42868695151a< /a>
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Posted: 07-22-08 14:40pm

Who woulda thunk? Educate people...and they won't have to make decisions like abortion in the first place.

TAKE THIS, AND BRING IT TO AMERICA. I'm sick of abstinence only. It's not helpful, and breeds ignorance and poor choices.

Oh yeah...in America, it's an abortion if an egg, fertilized or not, is killed. We're practically forced to mourn the death of the egg every time a woman menstrates. :: rolls eyes ::
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Posted: 07-22-08 18:52pm

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Who woulda thunk? Educate people...and they won't have to make decisions like abortion in the first place.

TAKE THIS, AND BRING IT TO AMERICA. I'm sick of abstinence only. It's not helpful, and breeds ignorance and poor choices.

Oh yeah...in America, it's an abortion if an egg, fertilized or not, is killed. We're practically forced to mourn the death of the egg every time a woman menstrates. :: rolls eyes ::


I practiced abstinence and it didn't breed ignorance and poor choices. Actually it increased my knowledge and saved me from trouble.
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Posted: 07-22-08 19:02pm

Abstinence doesn't work for everyone, unfortunately. If it did, the world would be a better place.

And, I didn't say PRACTICING abstinence was bad. (unfortunately, I forgot the word "education" in that post) Abstinence-only education is horrible. For kids that don't follow those "rules" the educators set up (and believe, as a teacher myself...students will always break the rules), they are in trouble because they don't know how to protect themselves.

Parents have the right to pull their students from sex-ed classes they don't agree with, and I feel THAT would be better than forcing all students to abstain from sex because it just won't happen.

However, I am glad your choices worked for you. Smile
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Posted: 07-23-08 17:33pm

Abstinence is fine for those who wish to practice it. I do feel young teens should not be having sex. However, the reality is, they *are* having sex, and it's better for them to have the knowledge of how to use protection than for them to be kept in the dark. Studies are consistently showing that comprehensive sex ed works best. Anyone who would wish to implement a method that is *not* working (abstinence only ed) is *not* looking out for the teens' best interests, but is trying to push their agenda.
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Posted: 07-24-08 20:49pm

Abstinence is not working as a whole. And you were not abstinent until marriage, Nightie.

Education and proper birth control are working.
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Posted: 07-26-08 23:16pm

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And you were not abstinent until marriage, Nightie.


What???


...faints...
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Posted: 07-27-08 03:30am

It is pretty clear that abstinence-only sex education has never ever worked, because it is very hard to say "no" to something that feels so good when you're a horny teenager. There is nothing wrong with teaching abstinence, but information about birth control that is actually effective should also be instilled into young people. They should know where to find condoms and BC pills, the locations of the nearest abortion clinics and I think doctors should ull their heads out of their backsides and allow nulliparous teen girls to get IUDs. There is no such thing as too much protection, and I see no issues with allowing teen girls to have IUDs inserted.

Unfortunately, since the current generation of parents are of the mindset that ignorance equals safety, they will continue to keep their children uninformed about important issues until said issues become raging problems. I also think that parents need to quit being lazy and stupid and start talking to their kids about sex, since schools are too incompetent to do it now. If someone doesn't explain to young people the consequences of sex and how to prevent them, they will end up pregnant or riddled with STDs and have no idea what to do. And then the parents will blame the media because they can't admit they messed up bad and will have to deal with the embarrassment of having a knocked-up or diseased teenaged child.

Here's what could lower the rates of both abortion and teen pregnancy - rehashing the lessons of history and begin shaming pregnant teens rather than worshipping them. There was once a time when getting pregnant as a teen was one of the most shameful things a girl could do, and she would get sent off to live with a relative until she had the kid and then she'd be forced to give it away. I vote for not treating these harlots like gold when the pee stick turns blue and make them feel ashamed about being knocked up. Make them feel like like trash, and when everyone gives them dirty stares and refuses to talk to them and they can't get dates, abortion will begin to look like a desirable alternative. It would be nice, but in this baby-worshipping country, I don't ever see it happening again.
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Posted: 07-27-08 04:01am

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Here's what could lower the rates of both abortion and teen pregnancy - rehashing the lessons of history and begin shaming pregnant teens rather than worshipping them. There was once a time when getting pregnant as a teen was one of the most shameful things a girl could do, and she would get sent off to live with a relative until she had the kid and then she'd be forced to give it away. I vote for not treating these harlots like gold when the pee stick turns blue and make them feel ashamed about being knocked up. Make them feel like like trash, and when everyone gives them dirty stares and refuses to talk to them and they can't get dates, abortion will begin to look like a desirable alternative. It would be nice, but in this baby-worshipping country, I don't ever see it happening again.


Yeah, because continuing the cycle of putting it ALL on women is exactly what we need. Meanwhile the boys are free to shoot their DNA into every female they blackmail for affection like walking sperm fountains and not a SINGLE FINGER gets pointed at them. Great solution. Punish the females, because after all, those stupid whores got what they deserved for spreading their thighs, right?

Get over yourself.

As a feminist and a human being, I find your proposed "solution" of treating females like trash for accidental pregnancy not only repulsive but misogynistic. Women have been made to take the Walk of Shame since the dawn of humankind, while men are the REAL whores and nobody even considers putting a speck of blame on them for requiring sex in exchange for affection in the first place. The majority of teenaged pregnancies occur BECAUSE the male pressures the female for sex. Oh, but no thought of shaming the males, eh? I guess you can't win if you're born with xx chromosomes. You get dumped if you don't put out and you get dumped on if you do.

Your attitude is repulsive.
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Posted: 07-27-08 14:55pm

I don't agree with "shaming" pregnant teens, but I do think that teen pregnancy should not be treated as "okay". The same attitude should go to the males - that getting a teen lover pregnant is not okay.

I do believe that if parents were doing their job, and actually paying attention to their children, spending time with them, letting them know they are loved etc., there would be far fewer teens having sex and consequently, far fewer teen pregnancies. I think that many teens, have sex to feel "loved", misguided though that is.

Combine comprehensive sex ed with parents paying more attention to their children and I'd bet the teen pregnancy rate would drop dramatically.
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Posted: 07-28-08 06:40am

Shaming teens eh Cambion?. Which teens percisely? Oh .. I see.. just the girls. So you don't really want to shame teens you want to shame teenage girls, not teens. Why? Who gave teenage boys a right to spew sperm and walk away? Oh ya.. I see . you did.
I hate to bring reality into your fantasy but to create a pregnancy require both a sperm and an egg. Girls can't get pregnant alone, we aren't worms. For the record as well Cambion a harlot is a woman who sells sex not one who has sex. Harlot? What centuary did you grow up in? I'm sure you think giving girls a bad self image is a good thing and I sincerely hope you never have any because it is twisted little misogynysts like you that lead women to think they deserve abuse.
Isn't it time you grew up just a bit?
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Posted: 07-28-08 07:31am

nightangel73 wrote:
Sydney123456 wrote:
Who woulda thunk? Educate people...and they won't have to make decisions like abortion in the first place.

TAKE THIS, AND BRING IT TO AMERICA. I'm sick of abstinence only. It's not helpful, and breeds ignorance and poor choices.

Oh yeah...in America, it's an abortion if an egg, fertilized or not, is killed. We're practically forced to mourn the death of the egg every time a woman menstrates. :: rolls eyes ::


I practiced abstinence and it didn't breed ignorance and poor choices. Actually it increased my knowledge and saved me from trouble.


Are you claiming you didn't have sex before marriage NA? I am sure I can prowl through past posts to prove that wrong..something about birth control as I recall.
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Posted: 07-28-08 16:10pm

Practising abstinence isn't very effective -- you actually have to be an EXPERT at it for it to work.
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Posted: 07-28-08 19:48pm

Jincks013 wrote:


Are you claiming you didn't have sex before marriage NA? I am sure I can prowl through past posts to prove that wrong..something about birth control as I recall.


No, I'm not claiming I didn't had sex before marriage. I married late so I was abstinent until I was 31, old enough to support babies on my own in the case an unplanned pregnancy happens.
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Posted: 07-28-08 23:36pm

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Shaming teens eh Cambion?. Which teens percisely? Oh .. I see.. just the girls. So you don't really want to shame teens you want to shame teenage girls, not teens. Why? Who gave teenage boys a right to spew sperm and walk away? Oh ya.. I see . you did.
I hate to bring reality into your fantasy but to create a pregnancy require both a sperm and an egg. Girls can't get pregnant alone, we aren't worms. For the record as well Cambion a harlot is a woman who sells sex not one who has sex. Harlot? What centuary did you grow up in? I'm sure you think giving girls a bad self image is a good thing and I sincerely hope you never have any because it is twisted little misogynysts like you that lead women to think they deserve abuse.
Isn't it time you grew up just a bit?


Well, considering the teenage girls are the ones who have the option of what to do with the pregnancy, I do think they deserve more blame...not all of it, but more of it. The boys definitely shouldn't get off scot-free, but the girls aren't innocent little angels either - how many sexually active females will lie about being on the pill or being infertile just to have sex? Maybe teens don't cry infertility, but girls lie just as much as the boys who will tell girls they love them to bed them.

And yes, I do think giving knocked-up girls a bad image is a good thing. There's nothing positive or beautiful about teen pregnancy and it really should be put in a very ugly light. Scare tactics, sure enough, but fewer teen girls would follow through with pregnancies if they knew they'd be humiliated for it. Same goes for teen girls with babies - make them feel like complete crap for their irresponsible choices, make it very difficult for teen girls to get any sort of assistance for their mistakes (like no section 8 housing, no welfare benefits, and no free stuff). Watch the teen pregnancy rates drop if people stop bending over backwards to help these idiots.

I say if these mindless teens want to keep babies, make it as hard as possible to raise that child in a healthy environment for them. No teen needs to have a baby, and if you don't believe me, go read some of the illiterate trainwrecks in the teen pregnancy forum. Most of the girls over there are grade-A imbeciles who I wouldn't even entrust the care of a house plant to, let alone another human life.

Honestly, if you don't like what I have to say, why not simply ignore me? Hmmm? There is an Ignore feature on this forum now. Clearly, you are one of the "people" here who just loves arguing too much to ignore those who you cannot respectfully disagree with (not that you had any respect to begin with). Ignoring would be the wise decision, but then again, you'd have to be wise first before making a wise decision. And you have given ample proof that this is beyond your realm of ability or understanding. Oh yeah, and try learning to spell...you know, like the people in this 'centuary' usually know how to do.

Welcome to my Ignore list too, you waste of air.

Oh yeah, mods/admin, don't bother sending me the "posting guidelines" anymore.
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Posted: 08-05-08 13:58pm

Darkmoon wrote:
Cambion wrote:

Here's what could lower the rates of both abortion and teen pregnancy - rehashing the lessons of history and begin shaming pregnant teens rather than worshipping them. There was once a time when getting pregnant as a teen was one of the most shameful things a girl could do, and she would get sent off to live with a relative until she had the kid and then she'd be forced to give it away. I vote for not treating these harlots like gold when the pee stick turns blue and make them feel ashamed about being knocked up. Make them feel like like trash, and when everyone gives them dirty stares and refuses to talk to them and they can't get dates, abortion will begin to look like a desirable alternative. It would be nice, but in this baby-worshipping country, I don't ever see it happening again.


Yeah, because continuing the cycle of putting it ALL on women is exactly what we need. Meanwhile the boys are free to shoot their DNA into every female they blackmail for affection like walking sperm fountains and not a SINGLE FINGER gets pointed at them. Great solution. Punish the females, because after all, those stupid whores got what they deserved for spreading their thighs, right?

Get over yourself.

As a feminist and a human being, I find your proposed "solution" of treating females like trash for accidental pregnancy not only repulsive but misogynistic. Women have been made to take the Walk of Shame since the dawn of humankind, while men are the REAL whores and nobody even considers putting a speck of blame on them for requiring sex in exchange for affection in the first place. The majority of teenaged pregnancies occur BECAUSE the male pressures the female for sex. Oh, but no thought of shaming the males, eh? I guess you can't win if you're born with xx chromosomes. You get dumped if you don't put out and you get dumped on if you do.

Your attitude is repulsive.


I think we should shame them both. However, it is only the girl that decides to actually have the child, so I can see shaming boys for impregnating the girls but the girls will carry the shame of having the child for two reasons:

1) It was their choice ALONE to have a baby
2) A single teen mother is VISIBLE to the public
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Posted: 08-07-08 22:28pm

aochriss wrote:
Darkmoon wrote:
Cambion wrote:

Here's what could lower the rates of both abortion and teen pregnancy - rehashing the lessons of history and begin shaming pregnant teens rather than worshipping them. There was once a time when getting pregnant as a teen was one of the most shameful things a girl could do, and she would get sent off to live with a relative until she had the kid and then she'd be forced to give it away. I vote for not treating these harlots like gold when the pee stick turns blue and make them feel ashamed about being knocked up. Make them feel like like trash, and when everyone gives them dirty stares and refuses to talk to them and they can't get dates, abortion will begin to look like a desirable alternative. It would be nice, but in this baby-worshipping country, I don't ever see it happening again.


Yeah, because continuing the cycle of putting it ALL on women is exactly what we need. Meanwhile the boys are free to shoot their DNA into every female they blackmail for affection like walking sperm fountains and not a SINGLE FINGER gets pointed at them. Great solution. Punish the females, because after all, those stupid whores got what they deserved for spreading their thighs, right?

Get over yourself.

As a feminist and a human being, I find your proposed "solution" of treating females like trash for accidental pregnancy not only repulsive but misogynistic. Women have been made to take the Walk of Shame since the dawn of humankind, while men are the REAL whores and nobody even considers putting a speck of blame on them for requiring sex in exchange for affection in the first place. The majority of teenaged pregnancies occur BECAUSE the male pressures the female for sex. Oh, but no thought of shaming the males, eh? I guess you can't win if you're born with xx chromosomes. You get dumped if you don't put out and you get dumped on if you do.

Your attitude is repulsive.


I think we should shame them both. However, it is only the girl that decides to actually have the child, so I can see shaming boys for impregnating the girls but the girls will carry the shame of having the child for two reasons:

1) It was their choice ALONE to have a baby
2) A single teen mother is VISIBLE to the public
15 year old women have the lowest rate of birth defects and the rate of birth defects only increases with each year of a womans life. how is being the mother of a healthy baby something to be ashamed of? society should be ashamed of itself for its idiotic expectations and moralities. society should not be bent on destroying people for the benefit of society. people should be bent on improving society foe the benefit of the people.
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Posted: 08-07-08 23:50pm

Really? That's strange.

"Teenage mothers are much less likely than older women to receive timely prenatal care and are more likely to smoke during pregnancy. As a result of these and other factors, babies born to teenagers are more likely to be preterm and of low birth weight and are at greater risk of serious and long-term illness, of developmental delays, and of dying in the first year of life compared to infants of older mothers."

Ventura SJ et al. Births to teenagers in the United States, 1940-2000. National Vital Statistics Reports 2001; 49(10):1-19
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Posted: 08-08-08 01:01am

Birch wrote:
Really? That's strange.

"Teenage mothers are much less likely than older women to receive timely prenatal care and are more likely to smoke during pregnancy. As a result of these and other factors, babies born to teenagers are more likely to be preterm and of low birth weight and are at greater risk of serious and long-term illness, of developmental delays, and of dying in the first year of life compared to infants of older mothers."

Ventura SJ et al. Births to teenagers in the United States, 1940-2000. National Vital Statistics Reports 2001; 49(10):1-19
i'm guessing that there is a point to this. perhaps you could give us a clue as to what that is?
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Posted: 08-08-08 09:33am

Few wrote:
15 year old women have the lowest rate of birth defects and the rate of birth defects only increases with each year of a womans life. how is being the mother of a healthy baby something to be ashamed of?

15 year old children should not be having sex let alone children! (yes,t here are exceptions to every rule, I know some teenagers are resopnsible parents).
There's more to being a parent than having a healthy baby (are you a parent?), what about financial and emotional stability? Surely that is more importat than the risk of birth defects at a more mature age?
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