What works to lower rates Posted: 07-22-08 12:19pm
Hey, no one wants women to feel like they
have no other choice than abortion. Women
should be making this choice of desire,
not necessity. Here's what's working in
Saskatchewan:
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Saskatchewan's
abortion rate is far lower than the
Canadian average for several reasons, says
a prominent obstetrics and gynecology
expert.
"It is lower, (but) I think we can still
do better. The opportunity is here," said
Dr. Femi Olatunbosun, head of obstetrics
and gynecology for the Saskatoon Health
Region and the University of
Saskatchewan's college of medicine.
The abortion debate has surfaced again
following the naming of abortion rights
crusader Dr. Henry Morgentaler to the
Order of Canada.
Saskatoon's Roman Catholic Bishop Albert
LeGatt recently wrote to parishes about
the issue and urged, among other things,
that followers protest Morgentaler's
award.
Saskatchewan doctors performed a total of
1,824 induced abortions in 2005, according
to Statistics Canada. That translates into
a rate of 8.8 induced abortions for every
1,000 females, far lower than the Canadian
average of 13.7.
Olatunbosun emphasized that access to
abortions "is in no way limited" and is
not the reason for the lower numbers.
Specialists and family physicians in
Saskatoon, Regina and several other
centres are available to perform induced
or "therapeutic" abortions with no wait
time, Olatunbosun said.
However, the goal is still to decrease the
number of abortions through various other
strategies, he said. These seem to be
working in Saskatchewan, he said.
The work
of the sexual health centres in Saskatoon
and other cities, as well as school
education programs, is helping to improve
access to contraception and education.
Saskatchewan was one of the earliest
provinces to make emergency
contraceptives, or the "morning after
pill," widely available without a
prescription.
And Olatunbosun said he's hearing
anecdotally that many teens are delaying
their first sexual experience until later
in life. These factors will lead to fewer
abortions, he said.
Another factor is that teens in
Saskatchewan, particularly in the
aboriginal community, are choosing not to
terminate their pregnancies and carry them
to term. This may be due to the stronger
social supports in smaller communities.
Someone living in Toronto or Vancouver,
for example, may not have access to family
or friend networks.
Olatunbosun hopes that increased
education, postponing sexual activity
until later in life and access to
contraception will result in even lower
abortion rates in the future.
He notes there are decreases in the number
of abortions in the Saskatoon region in
the past few years, and hopes this will
soon be the case provincially.
In Saskatchewan, 672 abortions were
performed on women in the 20-24 age group,
the demographic receiving the highest
number of abortions. The next highest was
the under-20 age group, with
416.
Who woulda thunk? Educate people...and
they won't have to make decisions like
abortion in the first place.
TAKE THIS, AND BRING IT TO AMERICA. I'm
sick of abstinence only. It's not helpful,
and breeds ignorance and poor choices.
Oh yeah...in America, it's an abortion if
an egg, fertilized or not, is killed.
We're practically forced to mourn the
death of the egg every time a woman
menstrates. :: rolls eyes ::
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Posted: 07-22-08 18:52pm
Sydney123456
wrote:
Who woulda thunk? Educate
people...and they won't have to make
decisions like abortion in the first
place.
TAKE THIS, AND BRING IT TO AMERICA. I'm
sick of abstinence only. It's not helpful,
and breeds ignorance and poor choices.
Oh yeah...in America, it's an abortion if
an egg, fertilized or not, is killed.
We're practically forced to mourn the
death of the egg every time a woman
menstrates. :: rolls eyes
::
I practiced abstinence and it didn't breed
ignorance and poor choices. Actually it
increased my knowledge and saved me from
trouble.
Abstinence doesn't work for everyone,
unfortunately. If it did, the world would
be a better place.
And, I didn't say PRACTICING abstinence
was bad. (unfortunately, I forgot the word
"education" in that post) Abstinence-only
education is horrible. For kids that don't
follow those "rules" the educators set up
(and believe, as a teacher
myself...students will always break the
rules), they are in trouble because they
don't know how to protect themselves.
Parents have the right to pull their
students from sex-ed classes they don't
agree with, and I feel THAT would be
better than forcing all students to
abstain from sex because it just won't
happen.
However, I am glad your choices worked for
you.
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Abstinence is fine for those who wish to
practice it. I do feel young teens should
not be having sex. However, the reality
is, they *are* having sex, and it's better
for them to have the knowledge of how to
use protection than for them to be kept in
the dark. Studies are consistently showing
that comprehensive sex ed works best.
Anyone who would wish to implement a
method that is *not* working (abstinence
only ed) is *not* looking out for the
teens' best interests, but is trying to
push their agenda.
Abstinence is not working as a whole. And
you were not abstinent until marriage,
Nightie.
Education and proper birth control are
working.
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Posted: 07-26-08 23:16pm
Birch
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And you were not abstinent
until marriage, Nightie.
What???
...faints...
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Posted: 07-27-08 03:30am
It is pretty clear that abstinence-only
sex education has never ever worked,
because it is very hard to say "no" to
something that feels so good when you're a
horny teenager. There is nothing wrong
with teaching abstinence, but information
about birth control that is actually
effective should also be instilled into
young people. They should know where to
find condoms and BC pills, the locations
of the nearest abortion clinics and I
think doctors should ull their heads out
of their backsides and allow nulliparous
teen girls to get IUDs. There is no such
thing as too much protection, and I see no
issues with allowing teen girls to have
IUDs inserted.
Unfortunately, since the current
generation of parents are of the mindset
that ignorance equals safety, they will
continue to keep their children uninformed
about important issues until said issues
become raging problems. I also think that
parents need to quit being lazy and stupid
and start talking to their kids about sex,
since schools are too incompetent to do it
now. If someone doesn't explain to young
people the consequences of sex and how to
prevent them, they will end up pregnant or
riddled with STDs and have no idea what to
do. And then the parents will blame the
media because they can't admit they messed
up bad and will have to deal with the
embarrassment of having a knocked-up or
diseased teenaged child.
Here's what could lower the rates of both
abortion and teen pregnancy - rehashing
the lessons of history and begin shaming
pregnant teens rather than worshipping
them. There was once a time when getting
pregnant as a teen was one of the most
shameful things a girl could do, and she
would get sent off to live with a relative
until she had the kid and then she'd be
forced to give it away. I vote for not
treating these harlots like gold when the
pee stick turns blue and make them feel
ashamed about being knocked up. Make them
feel like like trash, and when everyone
gives them dirty stares and refuses to
talk to them and they can't get dates,
abortion will begin to look like a
desirable alternative. It would be nice,
but in this baby-worshipping country, I
don't ever see it happening again.
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Posted: 07-27-08 04:01am
Cambion
wrote:
Here's what could lower the rates of both
abortion and teen pregnancy - rehashing
the lessons of history and begin shaming
pregnant teens rather than worshipping
them. There was once a time when getting
pregnant as a teen was one of the most
shameful things a girl could do, and she
would get sent off to live with a relative
until she had the kid and then she'd be
forced to give it away. I vote for not
treating these harlots like gold when the
pee stick turns blue and make them feel
ashamed about being knocked up. Make them
feel like like trash, and when everyone
gives them dirty stares and refuses to
talk to them and they can't get dates,
abortion will begin to look like a
desirable alternative. It would be nice,
but in this baby-worshipping country, I
don't ever see it happening
again.
Yeah, because continuing the cycle of
putting it ALL on women is exactly what we
need. Meanwhile the boys are free to
shoot their DNA into every female they
blackmail for affection like walking sperm
fountains and not a SINGLE FINGER gets
pointed at them. Great solution. Punish
the females, because after all, those
stupid whores got what they deserved for
spreading their thighs, right?
Get over yourself.
As a feminist and a human being, I find
your proposed "solution" of treating
females like trash for accidental
pregnancy not only repulsive but
misogynistic. Women have been made to
take the Walk of Shame since the dawn of
humankind, while men are the REAL whores
and nobody even considers putting a speck
of blame on them for requiring sex in
exchange for affection in the first place.
The majority of teenaged pregnancies
occur BECAUSE the male pressures the
female for sex. Oh, but no thought of
shaming the males, eh? I guess you can't
win if you're born with xx chromosomes.
You get dumped if you don't put out and
you get dumped on if you do.
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Posted: 07-27-08 14:55pm
I don't agree with "shaming" pregnant
teens, but I do think that teen pregnancy
should not be treated as "okay". The same
attitude should go to the males - that
getting a teen lover pregnant is not
okay.
I do believe that if parents were doing
their job, and actually paying attention
to their children, spending time with
them, letting them know they are loved
etc., there would be far fewer teens
having sex and consequently, far fewer
teen pregnancies. I think that many teens,
have sex to feel "loved", misguided though
that is.
Combine comprehensive sex ed with parents
paying more attention to their children
and I'd bet the teen pregnancy rate would
drop dramatically.
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Posted: 07-28-08 06:40am
Shaming teens eh Cambion?. Which teens
percisely? Oh .. I see.. just the girls.
So you don't really want to shame teens
you want to shame teenage girls, not
teens. Why? Who gave teenage boys a right
to spew sperm and walk away? Oh ya.. I see
. you did.
I hate to bring reality into your fantasy
but to create a pregnancy require both a
sperm and an egg. Girls can't get pregnant
alone, we aren't worms. For the record as
well Cambion a harlot is a woman who sells
sex not one who has sex. Harlot? What
centuary did you grow up in? I'm sure you
think giving girls a bad self image is a
good thing and I sincerely hope you never
have any because it is twisted little
misogynysts like you that lead women to
think they deserve abuse.
Isn't it time you grew up just a bit?
Who woulda thunk? Educate
people...and they won't have to make
decisions like abortion in the first
place.
TAKE THIS, AND BRING IT TO AMERICA. I'm
sick of abstinence only. It's not helpful,
and breeds ignorance and poor choices.
Oh yeah...in America, it's an abortion if
an egg, fertilized or not, is killed.
We're practically forced to mourn the
death of the egg every time a woman
menstrates. :: rolls eyes
::
I practiced abstinence and it didn't breed
ignorance and poor choices. Actually it
increased my knowledge and saved me from
trouble.
Are you claiming you didn't have sex
before marriage NA? I am sure I can prowl
through past posts to prove that
wrong..something about birth control as I
recall.
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Posted: 07-28-08 16:10pm
Practising abstinence isn't very effective
-- you actually have to be an EXPERT at it
for it to work.
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Posted: 07-28-08 19:48pm
Jincks013
wrote:
Are you claiming you didn't have sex
before marriage NA? I am sure I can prowl
through past posts to prove that
wrong..something about birth control as I
recall.
No, I'm not claiming I didn't had sex
before marriage. I married late so I was
abstinent until I was 31, old enough to
support babies on my own in the case an
unplanned pregnancy happens.
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Posted: 07-28-08 23:36pm
Quote:
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Shaming teens eh
Cambion?. Which teens percisely? Oh .. I
see.. just the girls. So you don't really
want to shame teens you want to shame
teenage girls, not teens. Why? Who gave
teenage boys a right to spew sperm and
walk away? Oh ya.. I see . you did.
I hate to bring reality into your fantasy
but to create a pregnancy require both a
sperm and an egg. Girls can't get pregnant
alone, we aren't worms. For the record as
well Cambion a harlot is a woman who sells
sex not one who has sex. Harlot? What
centuary did you grow up in? I'm sure you
think giving girls a bad self image is a
good thing and I sincerely hope you never
have any because it is twisted little
misogynysts like you that lead women to
think they deserve abuse.
Isn't it time you grew up just a bit?
Well, considering the teenage girls are
the ones who have the option of what to do
with the pregnancy, I do think they
deserve more blame...not all of it, but
more of it. The boys definitely shouldn't
get off scot-free, but the girls aren't
innocent little angels either - how many
sexually active females will lie about
being on the pill or being infertile just
to have sex? Maybe teens don't cry
infertility, but girls lie just as much as
the boys who will tell girls they love
them to bed them.
And yes, I do think giving knocked-up
girls a bad image is a good thing. There's
nothing positive or beautiful about teen
pregnancy and it really should be put in a
very ugly light. Scare tactics, sure
enough, but fewer teen girls would follow
through with pregnancies if they knew
they'd be humiliated for it. Same goes for
teen girls with babies - make them feel
like complete crap for their irresponsible
choices, make it very difficult for teen
girls to get any sort of assistance for
their mistakes (like no section 8 housing,
no welfare benefits, and no free stuff).
Watch the teen pregnancy rates drop if
people stop bending over backwards to help
these idiots.
I say if these mindless teens want to keep
babies, make it as hard as possible to
raise that child in a healthy environment
for them. No teen needs to have a baby,
and if you don't believe me, go read some
of the illiterate trainwrecks in the teen
pregnancy forum. Most of the girls over
there are grade-A imbeciles who I wouldn't
even entrust the care of a house plant to,
let alone another human life.
Honestly, if you don't like what I have to
say, why not simply ignore me? Hmmm? There
is an Ignore feature on this forum now.
Clearly, you are one of the "people" here
who just loves arguing too much to ignore
those who you cannot respectfully disagree
with (not that you had any respect to
begin with). Ignoring would be the wise
decision, but then again, you'd have to be
wise first before making a wise decision.
And you have given ample proof that this
is beyond your realm of ability or
understanding. Oh yeah, and try learning
to spell...you know, like the people in
this 'centuary' usually know how to do.
Welcome to my Ignore list too, you waste
of air.
Oh yeah, mods/admin, don't bother sending
me the "posting guidelines" anymore.
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Posted: 08-05-08 13:58pm
Darkmoon
wrote:
Cambion
wrote:
Here's what could lower the rates of both
abortion and teen pregnancy - rehashing
the lessons of history and begin shaming
pregnant teens rather than worshipping
them. There was once a time when getting
pregnant as a teen was one of the most
shameful things a girl could do, and she
would get sent off to live with a relative
until she had the kid and then she'd be
forced to give it away. I vote for not
treating these harlots like gold when the
pee stick turns blue and make them feel
ashamed about being knocked up. Make them
feel like like trash, and when everyone
gives them dirty stares and refuses to
talk to them and they can't get dates,
abortion will begin to look like a
desirable alternative. It would be nice,
but in this baby-worshipping country, I
don't ever see it happening
again.
Yeah, because continuing the cycle of
putting it ALL on women is exactly what we
need. Meanwhile the boys are free to
shoot their DNA into every female they
blackmail for affection like walking sperm
fountains and not a SINGLE FINGER gets
pointed at them. Great solution. Punish
the females, because after all, those
stupid whores got what they deserved for
spreading their thighs, right?
Get over yourself.
As a feminist and a human being, I find
your proposed "solution" of treating
females like trash for accidental
pregnancy not only repulsive but
misogynistic. Women have been made to
take the Walk of Shame since the dawn of
humankind, while men are the REAL whores
and nobody even considers putting a speck
of blame on them for requiring sex in
exchange for affection in the first place.
The majority of teenaged pregnancies
occur BECAUSE the male pressures the
female for sex. Oh, but no thought of
shaming the males, eh? I guess you can't
win if you're born with xx chromosomes.
You get dumped if you don't put out and
you get dumped on if you do.
Your attitude is
repulsive.
I think we should shame them both.
However, it is only the girl that decides
to actually have the child, so I can see
shaming boys for impregnating the girls
but the girls will carry the shame of
having the child for two reasons:
1) It was their choice ALONE to have a
baby
2) A single teen mother is VISIBLE to the
public
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Posted: 08-07-08 22:28pm
aochriss
wrote:
Darkmoon
wrote:
Cambion
wrote:
Here's what could lower the rates of both
abortion and teen pregnancy - rehashing
the lessons of history and begin shaming
pregnant teens rather than worshipping
them. There was once a time when getting
pregnant as a teen was one of the most
shameful things a girl could do, and she
would get sent off to live with a relative
until she had the kid and then she'd be
forced to give it away. I vote for not
treating these harlots like gold when the
pee stick turns blue and make them feel
ashamed about being knocked up. Make them
feel like like trash, and when everyone
gives them dirty stares and refuses to
talk to them and they can't get dates,
abortion will begin to look like a
desirable alternative. It would be nice,
but in this baby-worshipping country, I
don't ever see it happening
again.
Yeah, because continuing the cycle of
putting it ALL on women is exactly what we
need. Meanwhile the boys are free to
shoot their DNA into every female they
blackmail for affection like walking sperm
fountains and not a SINGLE FINGER gets
pointed at them. Great solution. Punish
the females, because after all, those
stupid whores got what they deserved for
spreading their thighs, right?
Get over yourself.
As a feminist and a human being, I find
your proposed "solution" of treating
females like trash for accidental
pregnancy not only repulsive but
misogynistic. Women have been made to
take the Walk of Shame since the dawn of
humankind, while men are the REAL whores
and nobody even considers putting a speck
of blame on them for requiring sex in
exchange for affection in the first place.
The majority of teenaged pregnancies
occur BECAUSE the male pressures the
female for sex. Oh, but no thought of
shaming the males, eh? I guess you can't
win if you're born with xx chromosomes.
You get dumped if you don't put out and
you get dumped on if you do.
Your attitude is
repulsive.
I think we should shame them both.
However, it is only the girl that decides
to actually have the child, so I can see
shaming boys for impregnating the girls
but the girls will carry the shame of
having the child for two reasons:
1) It was their choice ALONE to have a
baby
2) A single teen mother is VISIBLE to the
public
15 year old women have the lowest rate of
birth defects and the rate of birth
defects only increases with each year of a
womans life. how is being the mother of a
healthy baby something to be ashamed of?
society should be ashamed of itself for
its idiotic expectations and moralities.
society should not be bent on destroying
people for the benefit of society. people
should be bent on improving society foe
the benefit of the people.
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Posted: 08-07-08 23:50pm
Really? That's strange.
"Teenage mothers are much less likely than
older women to receive timely prenatal
care and are more likely to smoke during
pregnancy. As a result of these and other
factors, babies born to teenagers are more
likely to be preterm and of low birth
weight and are at greater risk of serious
and long-term illness, of developmental
delays, and of dying in the first year of
life compared to infants of older
mothers."
Ventura SJ et al. Births to teenagers in
the United States, 1940-2000. National
Vital Statistics Reports 2001; 49(10):1-19
"Teenage mothers are much less likely than
older women to receive timely prenatal
care and are more likely to smoke during
pregnancy. As a result of these and other
factors, babies born to teenagers are more
likely to be preterm and of low birth
weight and are at greater risk of serious
and long-term illness, of developmental
delays, and of dying in the first year of
life compared to infants of older
mothers."
Ventura SJ et al. Births to teenagers in
the United States, 1940-2000. National
Vital Statistics Reports 2001;
49(10):1-19
i'm guessing that there is a point to
this. perhaps you could give us a clue as
to what that is?
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Posted: 08-08-08 09:33am
Few
wrote:
15 year old women
have the lowest rate of birth defects and
the rate of birth defects only increases
with each year of a womans life. how is
being the mother of a healthy baby
something to be ashamed of?
15 year old children should not be
having sex let alone children! (yes,t here
are exceptions to every rule, I know some
teenagers are resopnsible parents).
There's more to being a parent than having
a healthy baby (are you a parent?), what
about financial and emotional stability?
Surely that is more importat than the risk
of birth defects at a more mature age?